Bush rips "do nothing" dems....

[JerryBeeds]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050614-114627-2954r.htm

It's about time!

[Tator]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050614-114627-2954r.htm

It's about time!

It seems that the "do nothing" mentality has infected BOTH parties when it comes to securing our borders.

[JerryBeeds]

It seems that the "do nothing" mentality has infected BOTH parties when it comes to securing our borders.
true that... tom tancredo is the only one who seems to care.

[Tator]

true that... tom tancredo is the only one who seems to care.

I am REALLY disappointed in how the bush administration is handling this issue.

Hell, I'll pay more for the dang fruits and veggies if it will keep terrorists out and cuts the amount of tax payer's money going to the Freebies for Illegals Foundation.

[JerryBeeds]

I am REALLY disappointed in how the bush administration is handling this issue.

Hell, I'll pay more for the dang fruits and veggies if it will keep terrorists out and cuts the amount of tax payer's money going to the Freebies for Illegals Foundation.
Yeah it really pissed me off when he called the minutemen "vigilanties".

[scunyon]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050614-114627-2954r.htm

It's about time!


It's because I am :D He is an absolute id-ee-UT :p I'll bet he had to use a teleprompter or some huge notecards because he suffers from C.R.S. and is about as fast on his feet as the drive-thru at Burger King. I am a strong Independent and will give proper dues to anyone regardless of party, however, Bush gets absolutely none.

Maybe he should realize that some in Congress view his ideas as ways to keep him and his friends pockets lined. I wonder how many of his buddies had to pay out big bucks in all those class action lawsuits that have restrictions now :confused:

Maybe I just don't like him because he always has that smug, $#!t-eatin look on his face :rolleyes: I know that there is more to the political process than what we see, but if he and his cabinet were so good at negotiation, they should have been in the quid pro quo line of thinking.

Just my two Abe Lincolns, but maybe if he and his wrecking crew didn't present themselves the way do, they could get more cooperation and support from the Dems. It's amazing that someone who said they do things their way and didn't need help, now need exactly that ;)

[SeattleGamecocks]

Doing nothing is more positive than just about any actions this administration has taken. In fact, obstructing its destructive policies and agendas is the most productive thing they can do. I am not a Democrat but a Libertarian, however the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so the "do nothing Dems" have my support.

[JerryBeeds]

Yeah well name-calling is not an agenda!

[jneesy]

It's because I am :D He is an absolute id-ee-UT :p I'll bet he had to use a teleprompter or some huge notecards because he suffers from C.R.S. and is about as fast on his feet as the drive-thru at Burger King. I am a strong Independent and will give proper dues to anyone regardless of party, however, Bush gets absolutely none.

hey i'm an idiot , can i have a yale degree too? :confused:

[JerryBeeds]

It's because I am :D He is an absolute id-ee-UT :p I'll bet he had to use a teleprompter or some huge notecards because he suffers from C.R.S. and is about as fast on his feet as the drive-thru at Burger King. I am a strong Independent and will give proper dues to anyone regardless of party, however, Bush gets absolutely none.

Maybe he should realize that some in Congress view his ideas as ways to keep him and his friends pockets lined. I wonder how many of his buddies had to pay out big bucks in all those class action lawsuits that have restrictions now :confused:

Maybe I just don't like him because he always has that smug, $#!t-eatin look on his face :rolleyes: I know that there is more to the political process than what we see, but if he and his cabinet were so good at negotiation, they should have been in the quid pro quo line of thinking.

Just my two Abe Lincolns, but maybe if he and his wrecking crew didn't present themselves the way do, they could get more cooperation and support from the Dems. It's amazing that someone who said they do things their way and didn't need help, now need exactly that ;)
you sound real independent.... you've been on daily kos too long...

[jneesy]

i was thinking dem underground myself

[Tator]

I wonder how many of his buddies had to pay out big bucks in all those class action lawsuits that have restrictions now :confused:


Guess who gets the bill after one of these lawsuits? Go look in the mirror and you'll see one of them.

[scunyon]

Guess who gets the bill after one of these lawsuits? Go look in the mirror and you'll see one of them.


I've come to realize that no matter how much any party claims they are gonna help me, I am going to be doing the bend and reach when it is all said and done. Same goes for promises from private industry.



hey i'm an idiot , can i have a yale degree too?

Yes, they are in the $1.25 vending machines to your >>>>>>>>>

[scunyon]

i was thinking dem underground myself


Democrat, nope, too many chiefs, not enough indians. Everybody can't be in charge at the same time.

[jneesy]

Democrat, nope, too many chiefs, not enough indians. Everybody can't be in charge at the same time.

couldnt tell by your remarks you would blend right in over there

bush is alot of things but stupid isnt one of them

[cocky4ever]

It's because I am :D He is an absolute id-ee-UT :p I'll bet he had to use a teleprompter or some huge notecards because he suffers from C.R.S. and is about as fast on his feet as the drive-thru at Burger King. I am a strong Independent and will give proper dues to anyone regardless of party, however, Bush gets absolutely none.

Maybe he should realize that some in Congress view his ideas as ways to keep him and his friends pockets lined. I wonder how many of his buddies had to pay out big bucks in all those class action lawsuits that have restrictions now :confused:

Maybe I just don't like him because he always has that smug, $#!t-eatin look on his face :rolleyes: I know that there is more to the political process than what we see, but if he and his cabinet were so good at negotiation, they should have been in the quid pro quo line of thinking.

Just my two Abe Lincolns, but maybe if he and his wrecking crew didn't present themselves the way do, they could get more cooperation and support from the Dems. It's amazing that someone who said they do things their way and didn't need help, now need exactly that ;)
Oh man, that is TOO funny. I also think its kinda pointless for Bush to be blaming the democrats for holding up all progress in the govt. Isnt he the one who called for an emergency hearing in Congress for a woman in a persistent vegatative state?? Looks like both sides are more concerned about making their own party look good to the base than actually representing the people who elected them into office. Oh well, I guess thats nothing new. It just seems to be reaching new heights these days.

[WayzUp]

Oh man, that is TOO funny. I also think its kinda pointless for Bush to be blaming the democrats for holding up all progress in the govt. Isnt he the one who called for an emergency hearing in Congress for a woman in a persistent vegatative state?? Looks like both sides are more concerned about making their own party look good to the base than actually representing the people who elected them into office. Oh well, I guess thats nothing new. It just seems to be reaching new heights these days.
To me, that's what government works like in today's democracy. Both parties, since we're virtually down to two, spend all their time blaming all the problems that are continuuing to go unsolved on the other party. If they would all just shut up and put their pointer fingers away for two freakin' seconds, they might just hear that our borders aren't secure yet or that our harbors are no more guarded than a month after 9/11.

All they do is talk and all I hear, an average American, is static. It frustates me that something so simple as listening is something our "leaders" don't seem to know how to do.

[scunyon]

couldnt tell by your remarks you would blend right in over there

bush is alot of things but stupid isnt one of them


Just for the record, Sir, there are Republicans who don't like Bush, too. Something like the way some SC Republicans feel about Gov Sanford (who I just happened to vote for and he is a Republican.)

I didn't know that this was a pro-Bush site. Must have missed that during site registration. Pity the poster with a desenting opinion :(

I've spent enough time in the military to know good leadership when I see it, and to me, it's not there. He will not be successful as long as he is trying to focus on Congress, Iraq and Afghanistan all at the same time. Bush is not a leader and should never have been elected, but, that's my opinion. It is also my opinion that dollars rule over sense, which is why he is still in office (not that Kerry was any better of a choice.) He has surrounded himself with people who are not advising him correctly. He must put the well-being of the country before his personal gripes with Congress, and that's what they are, personal gripes.

You should always be careful of the toes you step on today, because they may belong to the ass you'll have to kiss tomorrow ;)

Just as you like Bush, I don't. Some men like men, I prefer women - it's all a matter of choice

Now what...how many negative points will that one get me :rolleyes:

[nooneLT]

heh kerry isn't much better as a leader, mr. flipflop himself.

[WayzUp]

Just for the record, Sir, there are Republicans who don't like Bush, too.

I can vouch for that. A big part of my wife's family were hugely pro-Bush throughout this past election and they're all in the "the whole government sucks" demographic. Bush has this way of just pissing people off all over the world and quite a few of them are responsible for re-electing him.

His job approval rating isn't sinking faster than the Lusitania for nothing. What is it? 40something percent now? :eek: And we're at war.....even the "rally-around-the-flag" effect has abandoned Dubya. heh

[jneesy]

approval ratings are bunk

two words to start to explain these numbers....gas prices

i for one am relieved to finally have someone back in charge that doesnt make decisions based on opinion polls

it is truly a relief to have someone that thats truly leads on strictly what he believes to be right. not by reading the new york times op-ed page

[bamafan0001]

Doing nothing is more positive than just about any actions this administration has taken. In fact, obstructing its destructive policies and agendas is the most productive thing they can do. I am not a Democrat but a Libertarian, however the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so the "do nothing Dems" have my support.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

[bamafan0001]

couldnt tell by your remarks you would blend right in over there

bush is alot of things but stupid isnt one of them


Ahem..He has refered to September eleventh as "September fourth a day he would never forget."

[Neo]

Doing nothing is more positive than just about any actions this administration has taken. In fact, obstructing its destructive policies and agendas is the most productive thing they can do. I am not a Democrat but a Libertarian, however the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so the "do nothing Dems" have my support.



There's no way that you are a Libertarian. :eek: I've noticed the things you say and such and that leads me to believe that you're a liberal Democrat. :cool:

[OmahaBound]

approval ratings are bunk

two words to start to explain these numbers....gas prices

i for one am relieved to finally have someone back in charge that doesnt make decisions based on opinion polls

it is truly a relief to have someone that thats truly leads on strictly what he believes to be right. not by reading the new york times op-ed page

i actually agree with you on this. the problem is that i think what bush truly believes is right for this country, is wrong.

[SeattleGamecocks]

bush is alot of things but stupid isnt one of them
I agree. This is a popular misconception. It is precisely why he was "misunderestimated"... a Freudian slip on his part if ever there was one.

[SeattleGamecocks]

There's no way that you are a Libertarian. :eek: I've noticed the things you say and such and that leads me to believe that you're a liberal Democrat. :cool:
I've been voting Libertarian since I was eligible in 94... so I actually voted in 96 for Harry Brown for president and libertarians whenever they were on the ticket for other races. Harry Brown again in 2000. Bush made me realize this was a mistake; that there was something to the "lesser of 2 evils" credo when the greater of the evils is far more dangerous and I voted for the best chance to get him out of office in 2004. My ideals are definitely w/ the less government control ideology of the Libertarian party. However, I truly believe that this administration is enough of a threat to our country to vote for a democrat. I call myself a liberaltarian cuz I'm on the left end of their agenda regarding social issues- civil libertarian if you will, but Bush's administration may have made a democrat out of me. But I'd vote for McCain.

[WayzUp]

approval ratings are bunk

two words to start to explain these numbers....gas prices

i for one am relieved to finally have someone back in charge that doesnt make decisions based on opinion polls

it is truly a relief to have someone that thats truly leads on strictly what he believes to be right. not by reading the new york times op-ed page
Opinion polls are bunk, I agree with you 100%.

But to say the reason most people in this country think he's not doing his job well is because of gas prices is insane. APPROVAL ratings aren't issue-specific like opinion polls. Bush has about as much power over gas prices as he has does OPEC. :rolleyes:

[WayzUp]

heh kerry isn't much better as a leader, mr. flipflop himself.
Yah, Kerry sucked too though I don't have a problem with a person changing their mind. Call it flip-flopping or whatever but as far as that issue goes, I think he had more Americans behind him than not. He was for getting Saddam out, he was for invading based on intelligence provided at the time but reconsidered after the truth about the non-existant WMD's became obvious to the world. That's not a flip-flop, that's a person changing his mind.

But I do agree with you...Kerry didn't have "it" either...which makes me wonder why we allowed our democratic process to widdle down to two opposing parties. :confused: I have no problem saying the reason I voted for Kerry was due to the fact that his name wasn't George W. Bush. And I know I wasn't alone in that...

[cocky4ever]

couldnt tell by your remarks you would blend right in over there

bush is alot of things but stupid isnt one of them
If Bush isnt a stupid person he certainly does a good job of playing one on tv. :D

http://www.chemtrailpatrol.com/cp_stupid_bush_quotes.htm

[jneesy]

Opinion polls are bunk, I agree with you 100%.

But to say the reason most people in this country think he's not doing his job well is because of gas prices is insane. APPROVAL ratings aren't issue-specific like opinion polls. Bush has about as much power over gas prices as he has does OPEC. :rolleyes:

approval ratings can be very issue specific when a pollster calls and asks if you approve of the job bush is doing if you think that the $60.00 that it took to fill up her tahoe (for the second time this week) doesnt stand out in the front of her mind you're crazy

and most approval polls are tied to opinion polls and the approval question is the last question usually

the last time i was polled the second to the last question was about abu graib then they asked me about my approval of bush :eek:

if that wasnt a setup i dont know what is. it was at that point i realized approval ratings were useless. reagan had some bad ratings too and he is only the best president weve had in modern times

[BeeDee]

If Bush isnt a stupid person he certainly does a good job of playing one on tv. :D

http://www.chemtrailpatrol.com/cp_stupid_bush_quotes.htm
That's harsh, man. He's not stupid. Some of the smartest people in the world weren't great speakers. I can understand that you don't like the guy, but are the personal attacks really warranted?

I voted for "W" because there was no better choice in the 2000 or 2004 general elections. If I'd have had the chance, I would have voted for McCain for sure, but we never even had a primary in Georgia in 2000 because Bush had already secured the nomination... He may not be the best man for the job, but he's the best that we had to choose from, and he's our president for the next few years. We should support him and stop all this name calling and petty infighthing.

[WayzUp]

approval ratings can be very issue specific when a pollster calls and asks if you approve of the job bush is doing if you think that the $60.00 that it took to fill up her tahoe (for the second time this week) doesnt stand out in the front of her mind you're crazy

and most approval polls are tied to opinion polls and the approval question is the last question usually

the last time i was polled the second to the last question was about abu graib then they asked me about my approval of bush :eek:

if that wasnt a setup i dont know what is. it was at that point i realized approval ratings were useless. reagan had some bad ratings too and he is only the best president weve had in modern times
I've never been polled over the phone...the ones I see are online and has only one question: "Do you think George Bush is doing a good job overall?" From CNN.com to FoxNews.com to BBC's website...they're all pretty close and none of them have the setup questions beforehand. It's just the one question.

I agree with you if polls are done in the manner you describe but i haven't seen any, single question or otherwise, that have Dubya anywhere above 45%....and for that number to be that low in wartime..? It's unheard of...

The Tahoe comment is priceless too...if she's so worried about it taking $60 to fill it up, why the hell is she driving a Tahoe?? Tell her to go get a sedan that gets three times the mileage with half the gas tank capacity. That's her own damn fault, as far as I'm concerned. :cool:

[WayzUp]

That's harsh, man. He's not stupid. Some of the smartest people in the world weren't great speakers. I can understand that you don't like the guy, but are the personal attacks really warranted?
I mean no offense and i'm not making a personal attack but I have to ask. What makes you think he's not stupid? I personally think he is...or at the very least, not very smart....

The legacy he's going to leave behind when all is said and done is "the President that got us stuck in Iraq" because he has virtually no other accomplishments for anyone else to point to. That's not a personal attack, that's a fact. He'll be known for that and all those funny quotes c4e linked earlier. :rolleyes:

[BeeDee]

I mean no offense and i'm not making a personal attack but I have to ask. What makes you think he's not stupid? I personally think he is...or at the very least, not very smart....

The legacy he's going to leave behind when all is said and done is "the President that got us stuck in Iraq" because he has virtually no other accomplishments for anyone else to point to. That's not a personal attack, that's a fact. He'll be known for that and all those funny quotes c4e linked earlier. :rolleyes:
You can point to his family connections all you want, but you don't make it through Yale and Harvard by being stupid. He's a pretty shrewd businessman that has managed to make and keep his own fortune (whether or not his dealings were ethical isn't the question here) and that's no small feat either. The guy's not stupid. He may not be any Albert Einstein or Ken Jennings even, but he's not some blathering idiot either.

[scunyon]

You can point to his family connections all you want, but you don't make it through Yale and Harvard by being stupid. He's a pretty shrewd businessman that has managed to make and keep his own fortune (whether or not his dealings were ethical isn't the question here) and that's no small feat either. The guy's not stupid. He may not be any Albert Einstein or Ken Jennings even, but he's not some blathering idiot either.


His name is why he made it through those schools. Let's not be naieve here. Dubya is riding on his Daddy's pursestrings and that is fact. How shrewd can he be when he has left more than one oil company in ruins only to be bailed out by big Bush (and this was known before Michael Moore took a swipe at him so count that out.)

Trust me, his Daddy had and has enough connections to take good care of his son. Blathering idiot may indeed, be a little harsh. I was thinking more along the lines of incompetent boob :D

I'm sure that Bush has his fine points, none of which I can name right now. You know, I regret 9-11 happening, but honestly, Bush could have used that to his advantage and led the nation through the most tragic period in modern times. Yet, at that he failed. Instead of getting the whole three layer cake, he swiped off the icing and threw the rest away.

When he declared that we were going after Bin Laden and were gonna bring him to justice, I was right there supporting him. I was waiting on Afghanistan to become a rubble strewn parking lot.

But as time went on, like a woman with poor hygiene, things got fishy.........

We lost our focus, Dubya proved to be bull headed and egotistical. When people tried to tell him that we didn't need to go to Iraq, he wanted all the reasons, true or fabricated, as to why we should go and he sold most of the American people on the idea as well.

Now here we are four years later and we are still no closer to cutting the nuts off of Bin Laden then we were in October of '01.

At some point, you just have to say that enough is enough. We're stuck with him now, and I am not saying that there were better choices than Dubya, but there were choices. We can shoulda/woulda/coulda until the keys pop off the keyboard, but we'll never know.

Just like he stole the election in 2000, he stole the confidence of the American people and is steadily losing the military that serves under him in all branches. Why do you think that recruiters are visiting all of these malls and schools trying to sign up more bullet catching bodies? And I can say that with the intended sarcasm because I have done my time and dodged my fair share of bullets. The average time from graduation of a soldier to a body bag now is 45 days. I am sure that you are aware that there is a freeze on all retirees coming out of the military right? I know that the Army is holding people in until 24 years.

That is just an example of the trickle down from his choices. There are many others, and that little $300 check we got back was due to me anyway, so it wasn't a 'gift'. Look at the bankruptcy/foreclosure/unemployment rates during his tenure compared to Clinton or Big Bush.

Whew, OK, time for a breather before I get my little square turned red :rolleyes:

[OmahaBound]

You can point to his family connections all you want, but you don't make it through Yale and Harvard by being stupid. He's a pretty shrewd businessman that has managed to make and keep his own fortune (whether or not his dealings were ethical isn't the question here) and that's no small feat either. The guy's not stupid. He may not be any Albert Einstein or Ken Jennings even, but he's not some blathering idiot either.

i can't speak for back in the day, but i would imagine it's not that hard to get through yale and harvard with a C avg. (and that's not a bush sucks, kerry rules comment, because kerry only had a C+ avg.).

he's certainly not a complete idiot though, and i personally think he's a pretty smart guy who's just a terrible public speaker and has made some really bad decisions in office.

[BeeDee]

His name is why he made it through those schools. Let's not be naieve here. Dubya is riding on his Daddy's pursestrings and that is fact. How shrewd can he be when he has left more than one oil company in ruins only to be bailed out by big Bush (and this was known before Michael Moore took a swipe at him so count that out.)

Trust me, his Daddy had and has enough connections to take good care of his son. Blathering idiot may indeed, be a little harsh. I was thinking more along the lines of incompetent boob :D

I'm sure that Bush has his fine points, none of which I can name right now. You know, I regret 9-11 happening, but honestly, Bush could have used that to his advantage and led the nation through the most tragic period in modern times. Yet, at that he failed. Instead of getting the whole three layer cake, he swiped off the icing and threw the rest away.

When he declared that we were going after Bin Laden and were gonna bring him to justice, I was right there supporting him. I was waiting on Afghanistan to become a rubble strewn parking lot.

But as time went on, like a woman with poor hygiene, things got fishy.........

We lost our focus, Dubya proved to be bull headed and egotistical. When people tried to tell him that we didn't need to go to Iraq, he wanted all the reasons, true or fabricated, as to why we should go and he sold most of the American people on the idea as well.

Now here we are four years later and we are still no closer to cutting the nuts off of Bin Laden then we were in October of '01.

At some point, you just have to say that enough is enough. We're stuck with him now, and I am not saying that there were better choices than Dubya, but there were choices. We can shoulda/woulda/coulda until the keys pop off the keyboard, but we'll never know.

Just like he stole the election in 2000, he stole the confidence of the American people and is steadily losing the military that serves under him in all branches. Why do you think that recruiters are visiting all of these malls and schools trying to sign up more bullet catching bodies? And I can say that with the intended sarcasm because I have done my time and dodged my fair share of bullets. The average time from graduation of a soldier to a body bag now is 45 days. I am sure that you are aware that there is a freeze on all retirees coming out of the military right? I know that the Army is holding people in until 24 years.

That is just an example of the trickle down from his choices. There are many others, and that little $300 check we got back was due to me anyway, so it wasn't a 'gift'. Look at the bankruptcy/foreclosure/unemployment rates during his tenure compared to Clinton or Big Bush.

Whew, OK, time for a breather before I get my little square turned red :rolleyes:
I don't think that anyone's gonna give you bad rep for expressing your opinions here. As narrowminded, misguided and mean spirited as I feel your opinion is, it's still your opinion and you're certainly entitled to have it an express it.

[cocky4ever]

That's harsh, man. He's not stupid. Some of the smartest people in the world weren't great speakers. I can understand that you don't like the guy, but are the personal attacks really warranted?

I voted for "W" because there was no better choice in the 2000 or 2004 general elections. If I'd have had the chance, I would have voted for McCain for sure, but we never even had a primary in Georgia in 2000 because Bush had already secured the nomination... He may not be the best man for the job, but he's the best that we had to choose from, and he's our president for the next few years. We should support him and stop all this name calling and petty infighthing.
We agree on a lot of things BeeDee but I guess this is one of the rare times when we disagree. I dont think that people should support their leader just because he's their leader. Look at where that got the nazi's. Im not calling Bush a nazi or anything, Im just saying that the whole idea of "support your leader no matter what he does" can get countries in trouble. Maybe he's not an idiot. He hasnt been very successful when doing things on his own though. He's had people telling him how to act,walk,talk,etc. for a long time. He doesnt seem very good at thinking clearly for himself, or at least not expressing his thoughts off of the top of his head. He even had to plant reporters in the White House so he could study over the answers to the questions they would ask. Maybe he's not an idiot, I dont know. I'll put it like I heard a comedian put it one time and I hope you dont think its too harsh. "It's like watching a crappy puppet show. It's so bad you can even see the strings. You're not supposed to be able to see the strings in the crappy puppet show!!"

[BeeDee]

We agree on a lot of things BeeDee but I guess this is one of the rare times when we disagree. I dont think that people should support their leader just because he's their leader. Look at where that got the nazi's. Im not calling Bush a nazi or anything, Im just saying that the whole idea of "support your leader no matter what he does" can get countries in trouble. Maybe he's not an idiot. He hasnt been very successful when doing things on his own though. He's had people telling him how to act,walk,talk,etc. for a long time. He doesnt seem very good at thinking clearly for himself, or at least not expressing his thoughts off of the top of his head. He even had to plant reporters in the White House so he could study over the answers to the questions they would ask. Maybe he's not an idiot, I dont know. I'll put it like I heard a comedian put it one time and I hope you dont think its too harsh. "It's like watching a crappy puppet show. It's so bad you can even see the strings. You're not supposed to be able to see the strings in the crappy puppet show!!"I'm not saying the guy's a genius. Just not an idiot. I think that him surrounding himself with people who are better equipped to make the decisions than he is is SMART. Reagan did the same thing (but, my guess is, that Reagan isn't one of your favorites either).

If you had the media scrutinizing every word that you said, and people (like yourself) spreading websites with every little miscue that you have, wouldn't you want to do whatever you could to ensure that you didn't mess up? I think he was VERY smart to want to study over the answers to media questions ahead of time. I'd have done the exact same thing if I were in his situation. The media, Democrats and a lot of Republicans don't cut him ANY slack. He needs every little advantage he can get.


I disagree wholeheartedly about supporting our leaders. The U.S. is not at all like Nazi Germany, where there was a dictator that there was no way to get him out of office. We elect the President and he's limited by checks and balances in our government as well as limits on his terms. In Nazi Germany, the people were kept in the dark about a lot of stuff and more or less brainwashed about other things. I don't think that it was really a case of supporting Hitler, even when they knew he was exterminating Jews... He kept that stuff on the Q.T. and most of his soldiers didn't even know the full picture. There's very little risk of our political system collapsing into a similar situation. The point I'm trying to make is that he IS and is going to be the President for a couple of more years. Why not support him? What's that old saying about life giving you lemons? Do you think that the bitching, moaning and complaining about what a crappy job he's doing and what an idiot he is is doing anyone any good? Do you think that it's affecting any change whatsoever? All it's doing is making us look weak, divided and petty to the rest of the world.

[WayzUp]

You can point to his family connections all you want, but you don't make it through Yale and Harvard by being stupid. He's a pretty shrewd businessman that has managed to make and keep his own fortune (whether or not his dealings were ethical isn't the question here) and that's no small feat either. The guy's not stupid. He may not be any Albert Einstein or Ken Jennings even, but he's not some blathering idiot either.
He's run every business he's ever had into the ground, you don't have to be shrewd to fail at business. If he wasn't failing, he was stealing/cheating people out of their money. There's the insider trading deal with his Harken stock (not the Farenheit 9/11 version, i'm referring to him selling all of his stock at $4/share and a week later the price fell to $2.37 after they reported a $23.2 million loss) which won't be touched because he's moved all of his documentation on the sale (and every other piece of personal info) is in his father's library which can't be subpoena'd even by the FTC due to "national security concerns." :confused:

Another story not many people know...but everyone in Arlington, TX does. As part owner of the Texas Rangers, he brokered a deal with the mayor of Arlington (RICHARD GREENE) to build a new stadium for the team in which the Rangers put up part of the money & the citizens of Arlington would put up the rest via a half-cent sales tax (allocated by Greene for economic development). Bush and his partners were to receive $135 million from the city for the $189 million stadium. Greene aggressively promoted the deal, saying how the Rangers would put up $30 million "up front, like a downpayment on a house," to get the deal going. It wasn't until well after voters approved the half-cent sales tax did the Rangers reveal they were indeed NOT going to pay anything up front but would instead charge a $1-per-ticket surcharge on every ticket they sold until their part was covered. And the Rangers, who would pay $5 million a year (the Braves' Rafeal Furcal makes that) in rent for 12 years ($60 million) could purchase the stadium at the end of their lease for nothing. So for every dollar Bush and his fellow partners put into the stadium, they got to take more than two dollars back from every Arlington taxpayer.

To even be able to participate in the deal at all, Bush had to borrow $500,000 from the United Bank of Midland and put his Harken shares (previously mentioned) up for collateral.....

Maybe he is smart after all....he just gets away with things that would have the average person in jail.

Richard Greene? Bush appointed him administor of the Environmental Protection Agency in 2003. Scratch my back....fool me once....how's that go again? :rolleyes:
http://www.epa.gov/region6/6xa/greene2.htm

[BeeDee]

He's run every business he's ever had into the ground, you don't have to be shrewd to fail at business. If he wasn't failing, he was stealing/cheating people out of their money. There's the insider trading deal with his Harken stock (not the Farenheit 9/11 version, i'm referring to him selling all of his stock at $4/share and a week later the price fell to $2.37 after they reported a $23.2 million loss) which won't be touched because he's moved all of his documentation on the sale (and every other piece of personal info) is in his father's library which can't be subpoena'd even by the FTC due to "national security concerns." :confused:

Another story not many people know...but everyone in Arlington, TX does. As part owner of the Texas Rangers, he brokered a deal with the mayor of Arlington (RICHARD GREENE) to build a new stadium for the team in which the Rangers put up part of the money & the citizens of Arlington would put up the rest via a half-cent sales tax (allocated by Greene for economic development). Bush and his partners were to receive $135 million from the city for the $189 million stadium. Greene aggressively promoted the deal, saying how the Rangers would put up $30 million "up front, like a downpayment on a house," to get the deal going. It wasn't until well after voters approved the half-cent sales tax did the Rangers reveal they were indeed NOT going to pay anything up front but would instead charge a $1-per-ticket surcharge on every ticket they sold until their part was covered. And the Rangers, who would pay $5 million a year (the Braves' Rafeal Furcal makes that) in rent for 12 years ($60 million) could purchase the stadium at the end of their lease for nothing. So for every dollar Bush and his fellow partners put into the stadium, they got to take more than two dollars back from every Arlington taxpayer.

Maybe he is smart after all....he just gets away with things that would have the average person in jail for fraud.
I never said he was ethical, in fact, I kinda said that he wasn't:


whether or not his dealings were ethical isn't the question here

I just think he's not stupid. He's managed to keep his fortune, even through the bankruptcy of his company and the other fiascos that he's been a party to. He's no idiot. No genius, but no idiot.

[Neo]

Now here we are four years later and we are still no closer to cutting the nuts off of Bin Laden then we were in October of '01.


Personally, I think Osama Bin Laden is dead. How long has it been since he released a videotape???? This guy was a glory hound that loved to rub the US's nose in &*%$ by making a videotape every month to prove that the USA couldn't touch him. That's not even considering the fact that he's been suffering from kidney failure for years.


As a former Federal Agent myself, we all have to understand that we do not have access to the National Security Agency (NSA), or the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). For all we know, the US Government may have proof that Bin Laden is dead, but cannot release it because it could compromise intelligence sources. :cool:

Just food for thought.

[uscrebel]

Let me begin by saying that I attend church (Episcopal) almost every Sunday (somedays are just "kayak days" out here), my son who is a freshman and away from home for the first time still attends church every Sunday, and I have been active in both parish and diocesan work for over thirty years. This includes teaching both middle school and adult Sunday School Classes, being on the Vestry (Deacons), Stewardship Chairman, Sunday School Superintendent, etc. I am not bragging, I just wanted to set the stage for my post. I am a VERY ACTIVE church-going guy.

What scares me the most about Bush is not a lack of intellect. I am much more frightened by the zeal with which he publically clings to his religious beliefs, and the appearance that many of his policy decisions are based on HIS personal religious beliefs. I know that many of my PERSONAL decisions are based my religious beliefs, but I try to understand that how I see, understand, and relate to what is sacred may be different than others. I also know that because I have learned from others, there is a chance that I can be "better" spiritually by listening to others.

Bush, time and again, does not seem to give me the impression that he is listening to others. He seems to change his mind only when it becomes clear that he is going to lose...this is not listening, this is reacting. Because this reactivity is grounded in some religious experience that is unknown to me, I am uncertain and, quite frankly, a bit scared.

This is not about whether John Kerry is a better or worse leader. This is not about whether Dean is a moron. (I am actually putting my money on "manic stooge"!) This is about whether or not I feel safer with the decisions that the administration has been making. I do not.

This is also not about the War. This is about education, social justice, and science. Especially science. My mother died from diabetes, my 19 year-old has juvenile diabetes, and my best friend has Parkinson's. I work in a major research institution and we have watched every year as the awarding of grants becomes increasingly difficult for projects that involve molecular level biology and biophysics.

Beleive me, I do not have a candidate from the other party that I will write home about, but that does not mean that I have to sit idly by and say that this Administration is the crown of civilization.

[scunyon]

I don't think that anyone's gonna give you bad rep for expressing your opinions here. As narrowminded, misguided and mean spirited as I feel your opinion is, it's still your opinion and you're certainly entitled to have it an express it.

Well, I know what I got after I left some scathing remarks the first time, and this is the first time I can recall being considered narrowminded and misguided. Mean spirited? Not hardly. I stand by what I say and have good reason to. I have been accused of being a republican for many years, even though I am not, it's all about the particular issue up for discussion.

Is it also mean spirited to put a poster on blast when they say your team sucks :confused: I don't know you as a poster because I have not been here too long, but I feel like since our opinion of Bush isn't the same, you want to take cheap shots of my opinion (ya know, narrowminded, misguided and mean spirited) when I have not said anything in relation to your opinions along the same lines. But it's all good, I'll agree to disagree with you about Dubya, but I won't back down from my opinion of his character and his performance in office.

I'll leave you with this, if Dubya or anybody else in a public office has a problem with the public criticism and scrutiny that goes with it, quit and go home.

[JerryBeeds]

Ahem..He has refered to September eleventh as "September fourth a day he would never forget."
When. I'd like to see an exact quote on that because I think you made it up.

[uscrebel]

When. I'd like to see an exact quote on that because I think you made it up.

http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest/2004/10/the_continuing_.html

[JerryBeeds]

My bad. That is pretty damn stupid.....

[BeeDee]

My bad. That is pretty damn stupid.....
Don't feel so bad, he did NOT refer to September 11th as September 4th.

Well, September the 11th changed me. I remember the day I was in the -- at ground zero, September the 4th, 2001. It's a day I will never forget. There were workers in hard-hats there yelling at me at the top of their lungs, "Whatever it takes." I remember a man grabbing me by the arm, he looked me square in the eye and he said, "Do not let me down."
I believe he meant September 14th, a few days AFTER 9/11, when he visited "Ground Zero". He was not at the site on 9/11 that I recall. Pretty easy to slip up and leave off a 1, don'tcha think?

[uscrebel]

Don't feel so bad, he did NOT refer to September 11th as September 4th.


I believe he meant September 14th, a few days AFTER 9/11, when he visited "Ground Zero". He was not at the site on 9/11 that I recall. Pretty easy to slip up and leave off a 1, don'tcha think?

BeeDee,

If this guy did this once in a blue moon, it would be one thing. There are whole websites devoted to Bushisms. The scary part is that he and a significant portion of the population seem to think that it is funny.

[JBryant12]

yeah my mom has a Bushism calendar....(shes a big Democrat supporter)

[cocky4ever]

BeeDee,

If this guy did this once in a blue moon, it would be one thing. There are whole websites devoted to Bushisms. The scary part is that he and a significant portion of the population seem to think that it is funny.
We have to laugh or else we'd be crying. ;)

[Tator]

So, to sum up the Dems/libs thoughts: Bush is too stupid to master the English language, yet is so cunning as to be able to "steal" a presidential election? Well, I guess JFKerry did leave a legacy after all….



As a side note, did anyone ever determine what the definition of 'is', is?

[BeeDee]

BeeDee,

If this guy did this once in a blue moon, it would be one thing. There are whole websites devoted to Bushisms. The scary part is that he and a significant portion of the population seem to think that it is funny.
Not scary to me. I don't see why it'd be scary. It's not like he slips up and says "Nuke Great Britain. Ooops, I meant I like Great Britain." What's the big deal?

[BeeDee]

So, to sum up the Dems/libs thoughts: Bush is too stupid to master the English language, yet is so cunning as to be able to "steal" a presidential election? Well, I guess JFKerry did leave a legacy after all….



As a side note, did anyone ever determine what the definition of 'is', is?
Good point.

[OmahaBound]

So, to sum up the Dems/libs thoughts: Bush is too stupid to master the English language, yet is so cunning as to be able to "steal" a presidential election? Well, I guess JFKerry did leave a legacy after all….



As a side note, did anyone ever determine what the definition of 'is', is?

no, the people that believe that (and i'm not one) believe that it's rove that orchestrated the election fraud in 2000.

(guh, i can't believe i just became a 'Super Star' on a post about political arguments, rove, bush, and the 2000 election....i feel dirty)

[uscrebel]

So, to sum up the Dems/libs thoughts: Bush is too stupid to master the English language, yet is so cunning as to be able to "steal" a presidential election? Well, I guess JFKerry did leave a legacy after all….



As a side note, did anyone ever determine what the definition of 'is', is?

The attempt to keep a straight face while responding to someone named "Tator" has done me in.

I find that there is likely not a response about intellectual standards for the president that will satisfy you...or that you will find meaningful...I'm not sure which.

As to determining the meaning of the word, "is," I'm not sure I understand why a reference to Bill Clinton has any bearing on questions about George Bush. You would mind connecting the dots for me, would you?

[Tator]

The attempt to keep a straight face while responding to someone named "Tator" has done me in.

I find that there is likely not a response about intellectual standards for the president that will satisfy you...or that you will find meaningful...I'm not sure which.

In light of your non-response, it is obvious to me that you have no evidence with which to refute the point at hand, so you simply resorted to subtly insulting my intelligence. But alas, I commend you! Having realized that you would fail in your efforts to refute such an awe inspiring diagnosis of the Left, you valiantly refused to succumb to Howard Dean type responses. And yet, you did not betray your fellows by straying from the Left’s hallowed and time tested methodology of refutation by personal attacks. It is my opinion that a lesser man would not have been able to walk as fine a line as you have. Bravo Sir, bravo!


As to determining the meaning of the word, "is," I'm not sure I understand why a reference to Bill Clinton has any bearing on questions about George Bush. You would mind connecting the dots for me, would you?

I was simply reminding those on the Left that President Clinton was also “creative” with the English language. Bush fumbles for a way to express himself and is ridiculed. While Clinton fumbles for a way to cover up infidelity/ commit perjury, and is applauded.

Or, you could try the alternate answer:

I find that there is likely not a response about intellectual standards for the president that will satisfy you...or that you will find meaningful...I'm not sure which.

[uscrebel]

In light of your non-response...
I find that there is likely not a response about intellectual standards for the president that will satisfy you...or that you will find meaningful...I'm not sure which.

Touche Mr. Tator!

Your response has aleast a touch more class than mine. I only regret that I have but two measly rep points to give.

[SeattleGamecocks]

So, to sum up the Dems/libs thoughts: Bush is too stupid to master the English language, yet is so cunning as to be able to "steal" a presidential election? Well, I guess JFKerry did leave a legacy after all….

Doesn't make sense does it? The other day I was hanging out w/ a staunch Republican friend who ironically thinks Bush is an idiot. I guess I was the "liberal" who thinks he's not an idiot, though definitley not smart enough to single handedly steal the election. I think Bush is a guy of average intelligence (maybe even above average), who obviously has privelege and happens to have assenine ideas of how to run things. My buddy's wife stepped in and made the comment that he's not an idiot, but he is ignorant (he being W, nut my buddy ;) ).

Karl Rove "stole" (and I use that term loosely, no voter fraud just a total lack of ethics) the 2000 primaries from McCain in my opinion. The Florida thing was suspicious and I'll leave it at that. The genius of the Bush campaign was they played him up to be an every day guy; ie like you or me. So people could identify w/ him. I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I didn't have a grandfather who was a US Senator, nor did I have a father who was the head of the CIA and oh yeah President. The campaign obviously worked. :(

[bamafan0001]

When. I'd like to see an exact quote on that because I think you made it up.

Come on man, for one I would never post anything I just made up because that would compromise my integrity to all of you, for two if anyone ever tells you something Bush said and it seem waaaay out in left field its probably true.

[BeeDee]

Come on man, for one I would never post anything I just made up because that would compromise my integrity to all of you, for two if anyone ever tells you something Bush said and it seem waaaay out in left field its probably true.
We now know that it wasn't made up, just incorrect. Doesn't look like he confused September 11th with September 4th... looks like it was probably September 4th with September 14th. As far as I can tell, Bush didn't go to "Ground Zero" until a few days after the attacks.