Terry Dean v. Spurrier

[JerryBeeds]

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=7&p=2&c=377770

I never knew there was this kind of animosity...

[GatorNation]

Nice read.....and needless to say, I really love what Meyer is doing for the former players. Class all the way.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Oh my god this guys the biggest prick ever, BOOHO oh I got beaten out by a better QB and he thinks thats wrong because the biggest member of Florida athletics history told him to sit on the bench cause he came out flat! He should be on his hands and knees Spurrier allowed is butt to be out there! And if any Florida fan sides with this guy they should be kicked out of the Swamp forever no questions asked! Let me see here 6 SEC titles, 1 National Championship, coached a Heisman Trophy winner, and was a Heisman Trophy winner for the same school or A guy who got lucky in one SEC title game, Oh geez thats a toughie!

[JerryBeeds]

Oh my god this guys the biggest prick ever, BOOHO oh I got beaten out by a better QB and he thinks thats wrong because the biggest member of Florida athletics history told him to sit on the bench cause he came out flat! He should be on his hands and knees Spurrier allowed is butt to be out there! And if any Florida fan sides with this guy they should be kicked out of the Swamp forever no questions asked! Let me see here 6 SEC titles, 1 National Championship, coached a Heisman Trophy winner, and was a Heisman Trophy winner for the same school or A guy who got lucky in one SEC title game, Oh geez thats a toughie!
Amen brother! :D

[Neo]

Oh my god this guys the biggest prick ever, BOOHO oh I got beaten out by a better QB and he thinks thats wrong because the biggest member of Florida athletics history told him to sit on the bench cause he came out flat! He should be on his hands and knees Spurrier allowed is butt to be out there! And if any Florida fan sides with this guy they should be kicked out of the Swamp forever no questions asked! Let me see here 6 SEC titles, 1 National Championship, coached a Heisman Trophy winner, and was a Heisman Trophy winner for the same school or A guy who got lucky in one SEC title game, Oh geez thats a toughie!



I agree. Dean is coming across like this is his own "Pity Party". That's part of being an athlete. You got beat for the job fair and square. It's the coaches job to put the better athlete out on the field for every game.

100% Pure, All Natural SOUR GRAPES. That's all it is. :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

I agree. Dean is coming across like this is his own "Pity Party". That's part of being an athlete. You got beat for the job fair and square. It's the coaches job to put the better athlete out on the field every game.

100% Pure, All Natural SOUR GRAPES. That's all it is. :cool:

I almost cried. Made me feel really bad......NOT!!!!!!! Suck it up buddy. That is called LIFE!!

[Neo]

I almost cried. Made me feel really bad......NOT!!!!!!! Suck it up buddy. That is called LIFE!!



He's whining worse than my 9 year old step-son. :cool:

Boo-[CENSORED]-Hoo

[GTmorris1970]

He's whining worse than my 9 year old step-son. :cool:

Boo-[CENSORED]-Hoo

I hope Blake Mitchell takes the news better..... :cool:

[Yazzer]

WOW!!!!!!!! How has Terry Dean been able to hold his breath and stomp his feet and stick out his bottom lip for soooo long???? I can't wait to pick up the telephone and phone the President/CEO of my place of employment and tell him all of the difficulties I have had to face within my life can be attributed to the fact that he has never called me and personally invited me to lunch.
Geez, stop whining and quit looking for a scapegoat for your personal shortcomings!

[GeauxTo]

Nice read.....and needless to say, I really love what Meyer is doing for the former players. Class all the way.
But what do you think about his treatment of PRESENT players? This summer, said a news flash yesterday, Florida players can't wear Florida colors or paraphernalia, can't use the locker room or showers to workout, etc. until they prove themselves worthy. Sounds like a policy that may backfire in the Utah genius's face. Can you believe it; DisturbinUrban is already becoming "disturbing" to the Gator Nation.
;)

[SPURED]

But what do you think about his treatment of PRESENT players? This summer, said a news flash yesterday, Florida players can't wear Florida colors or paraphernalia, can't use the locker room or showers to workout, etc. until they prove themselves worthy. Sounds like a policy that may backfire in the Utah genius's face. Can you believe it; DisturbinUrban is already becoming "disturbing" to the Gator Nation.
;)
what if a bunch of them never prove themselves worthy???will he kick them off the team or at half time stay on the sideline while the ones that prove themselves worthy go into the locker room...that doesnt sound like it would accomplish anything

[GamecockDieHard]

Dean didn't fit or else Spurrier would have used him like a tool to win. It's not to say he couldn't have made it elsewhere, but it was Spurrier's call. I ask the Florida faithful, was Spurrier wrong? Now I'm going to be mean.

Dean was probably a loser and in Spurrier's eyes, wasn't talented enough. If that is true, then it's a travesty for Florida that Meyers is wasting all this time with him.

IMO, it's going to be tougher on Meyers if the Gamecocks start competing and beating Florida, cause this Dean article will bite him like a 16 foot Gator. It all sounds like a "win one for the gipper" approach to me.

[GatorHunter]

Some of you cocks are f-in' ridiculous....you know nothing about what happened yet, you're so quick to pass judgement. Dean was a great QB...he and Spurs didn't get along...and yes, a better QB took his job...he doesn't have any animosity towards Wuerffel, he just feels Spurs turned his back on him...and as a UF fan...THAT WITNESSED THIS...I can tell you, he has some valid points.

Man, one article that puts a little blame on Spurs, and all of you have a freakin' fit!

You know, I try to respect you guys...I try to understand that you love your team and wish for the best...but after reading some of these remarks...I relish in your failures and cannot wait to lay another beatdown on y'all in the Swamp! Keep it up...and I'll be a UF fan and a fan of whoever is playing the Cocks.

[blues_cap]

But what do you think about his treatment of PRESENT players? This summer, said a news flash yesterday, Florida players can't wear Florida colors or paraphernalia, can't use the locker room or showers to workout, etc. until they prove themselves worthy. Sounds like a policy that may backfire in the Utah genius's face. Can you believe it; DisturbinUrban is already becoming "disturbing" to the Gator Nation.
;)


i think it is more of an attitude standpoint that actually being a good enough player....meyer wants to put the attitude and work ethic in from day one and if you dont want to do it, you arent part of the team.

imo, it is a much more straight forward way of doing things...at least they know what is expected and the consequences if expectations arent met.

[cocky4ever]

I relish in your failures and cannot wait to lay another beatdown on y'all in the Swamp! Keep it up...and I'll be a UF fan and a fan of whoever is playing the Cocks.

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[GatorHunter]

http://h1.ripway.com/forumpics/unabletogiveadamn.gif

You'll give a damn when I come on here and rub your noses in each defeat you suffer this season...

My point was, you cocks have no idea what your talking about...intelligent people tend to keep their mouths shut when ignorant to a subject.

It's kinda funny when you think about it...a team that has no history, no championships...beats UF for the first time in 65 years.....manages a 7-5 season with a choke in their bowl...and their fans talk the most shiat....hilarious!!! :laugh:

[cocky4ever]

You'll give a damn when I come on here and rub your noses in each defeat you suffer this season...

My point was, you cocks have no idea what your talking about...intelligent people tend to keep their mouths shut when ignorant to a subject.

It's kinda funny when you think about it...a team that has no history, no championships...beats UF for the first time in 65 years.....manages a 7-5 season with a choke in their bowl...and their fans talk the most shiat....hilarious!!! :laugh:

I really dont care who you pull for. This thread has been on here for over a year and the original topic got all of about 4 different SC fan responses. If that warrants you hating a team forever and ever and "relishing" in their defeat then go ahead. I dont know what went on with that team, and while you may have a better idea than some of us on here there are still probably a lot of things that went into that situation that you dont know about. Plus I'd be willing to bet that while UF was winning all those games with Dean sitting on the sidelines no one at UF cared if he was playing or not. :closedeye

[Dr. Pepper]

GCDH,

I do question why you would pull up a thread that had not had a post in 15 months. No need to incite anger from our fellow members here. We are approaching a new season which will have enough smack of its own.

Right now, UF love Urban and we love Spurrier. A lot of water has to run under the bridge before love turns to hate. I am willing to bet that we will dance with Spurrier longer than the Gators will with Meyer, but let's play some football and let the results on the field tell the story.

[GatorNation]

GCDH,

I do question why you would pull up a thread that had not had a post in 15 months. No need to incite anger from our fellow members here. We are approaching a new season which will have enough smack of its own.

Right now, UF love Urban and we love Spurrier. A lot of water has to run under the bridge before love turns to hate. I am willing to bet that we will dance with Spurrier longer than the Gators will with Meyer, but let's play some football and let the results on the field tell the story.
Zook lasted 3 years....and his tenure was replete with 5 losses each year and no bowl wins. Throw in a couple of "inexplicable" losses (Ole Miss, MSU, etc.), some close games that were given away in the fourth quarter, and the blowout to scUM the year after SOS left, and it's really a wonder he lasted as long as he did.

My point: It would have to take a monumental flop on Urb's part to get the boot before the usual 5-year "trial period," especially considering last year's "progress" when viewed beside Zook's underachieving teams. And as I've stated before, I just don't see SOS hanging around longer than that.

[GeauxTo]

[QUOTE=cocky4ever]http://h1.ripway.com/forumpics/unabletogiveadamn.gif[/QUOTE

Clevvvvvveeeerrrr! Cocky, you da man when it comes to smarts!

[GAMECOCKBOY]

looks like this belongs in the trash talking section....like it matters if yall gators pull for us..we could careless...we love our team and thats all that matters...

[GatorHunter]

Well, normally, I pull for UF...SEC East teams...then the SEC...and I apologize for getting so "heated"...I had a friend in common with Terry and he really got a raw deal. He is a good guy that had one flat game and was replaced...he never got another significant down. He was an awesome QB...could throw one of the best deep balls I've seen...I'll admit, I'm kinda torn...Wuerffel was better, and deserved to start...but Terry was even passed up for "younger" players when it came time to pull the starters.

I guess my main "beef" with this situation is that Terry was never given an "explanation" or anything...one day he was the starter...the next day he wasn't. Believe me, I have no problems with the way things worked out...I just think Dean had a valid reason to feel "distanced" from UF and for someone to come on and discount it, kinda pissed me off.

BTW, I didn't realize this thread was over a year old.... :blush:

[GatorHunter]

I am willing to bet that we will dance with Spurrier longer than the Gators will with Meyer.

How much?

I'm with GN...Meyer will have to "really" screw up not to outlast Spurs...

With the players Meyer is getting...the guidance he is providing...UF will be very successful under his watch..no doubt.

Spurs...on the other hand, will be hard pressed to ever bring an SEC title to USC. Not to discredit their program, but the SEC is a lot better than it was when Spurs was ruling the roost at UF...and USC is still "behind" as far as having the type players needed to acheive this feat...y'all are doing well in recruiting from what I've heard, but it'll take a few classes before you'll have the necessary talent & depth to compete against the SEC big boys year in and out. JMHO.

[cocky4ever]

Well, normally, I pull for UF...SEC East teams...then the SEC...and I apologize for getting so "heated"...I had a friend in common with Terry and he really got a raw deal. He is a good guy that had one flat game and was replaced...he never got another significant down. He was an awesome QB...could throw one of the best deep balls I've seen...I'll admit, I'm kinda torn...Wuerffel was better, and deserved to start...but Terry was even passed up for "younger" players when it came time to pull the starters.

I guess my main "beef" with this situation is that Terry was never given an "explanation" or anything...one day he was the starter...the next day he wasn't. Believe me, I have no problems with the way things worked out...I just think Dean had a valid reason to feel "distanced" from UF and for someone to come on and discount it, kinda pissed me off.

BTW, I didn't realize this thread was over a year old.... :blush:

Nothing wrong with expressing your views, or even getting heated for that matter. As I said you probably know more about this situation than most of us on here so of course you're gonna have a stronger opinion on the matter. I dont know much about the matter so thats why I didnt really offer an opinion...well, that and the fact that Im not really concerned about Dean. Not trying to sound cold or anything, but Im sure there are players at every level of football that have similar things happen to them all the time. Hell, if I was in his shoes I would probably have a lot of the same feelings that he has.

It sounds like you and I have similar layouts when it comes to who we pull for. I pull for SC first, East teams next, and the SEC teams against OOC opponents after that...plus whoever's playing chumpson.

Oh yeah, and about the date of the thread thing dont worry about it. It happens to the best of us;)

[cocky4ever]

How much?

I'm with GN...Meyer will have to "really" screw up not to outlast Spurs...

With the players Meyer is getting...the guidance he is providing...UF will be very successful under his watch..no doubt.

Spurs...on the other hand, will be hard pressed to ever bring an SEC title to USC. Not to discredit their program, but the SEC is a lot better than it was when Spurs was ruling the roost at UF...and USC is still "behind" as far as having the type players needed to acheive this feat...y'all are doing well in recruiting from what I've heard, but it'll take a few classes before you'll have the necessary talent & depth to compete against the SEC big boys year in and out. JMHO.

I think its a stretch to say Spurrier would be hard pressed to ever bring an SEC title to SC. His coaching alone won a few games last year and we were a field goal away from going undefeated in the East. Granted, we would've gotten crushed in the SECCG but those accomplishments are still pretty impressive for his first year at a school that lost a lot of great players and implemented an offense that was about as opposite as you could get from the one we were running. Of course, we had a lot of things go our way last year so we'll probably have a much better idea of the job Spurrier is doing after this year. Still, I feel confident that we will consistently improve while he's here...and with us coming close to winning the East in year one I would say that with a few years of improvement an SEC Title doesnt seem too far-fetched.

[GeauxTo]

...the guidance he is providing...

Ooops! You had me until I got to this part.
:laugh:

[HMSUDAWGS]

Now Florida fans can see why I have so much trouble with these cock fans.

[GatorHunter]

I think its a stretch to say Spurrier would be hard pressed to ever bring an SEC title to SC. His coaching alone won a few games last year and we were a field goal away from going undefeated in the East. Granted, we would've gotten crushed in the SECCG but those accomplishments are still pretty impressive for his first year at a school that lost a lot of great players and implemented an offense that was about as opposite as you could get from the one we were running. Of course, we had a lot of things go our way last year so we'll probably have a much better idea of the job Spurrier is doing after this year. Still, I feel confident that we will consistently improve while he's here...and with us coming close to winning the East in year one I would say that with a few years of improvement an SEC Title doesnt seem too far-fetched.

I was responding to Pepper's somewhat "skewed" belief that Spurs would be around longer than Meyer...why he thinks this...I have no idea.

By "hardpressed"...I mean very difficult...not impossible. And you're right, Spurs can win games vs better talent...but the SEC has gotten to be a tough-arse conference over the past 10 years...it's always been tough, but I've never saw as many talented teams lumped together like this...look at LSU...great recruiting classes over the past several years are paying off...as is it for Auburn, UGA and UF...look at the potential starting QBs in the SEC in '08...Stafford, Tebow, Mustain, Perriloux....

My point, for the forseeable future, I don't like USCE's chances of capturing an SEC championship....and I don't believe Spurs will be happy with 7-5, 8-4 seasons for more than 5 years.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

I was responding to Pepper's somewhat "skewed" belief that Spurs would be around longer than Meyer...why he thinks this...I have no idea.
I'm not sure how you can say that Dr. Pepper's belief is somewhat skewed. It's what he believes and it's no more skewed than your belief that Urban Meyer will be around longer at Florida than Spurrier will be around at SC. After all, we won't know until one of them calls it a day and moves on (or gets told to move on). Both are opinions and after only one pretty successful season for both, we have no idea how Meyer will do at Florida or how Spurrier will do at SC (in the long run).

[GatorHunter]

I'm not sure how you can say that Dr. Pepper's belief is somewhat skewed. It's what he believes and it's no more skewed than your belief that Urban Meyer will be around longer at Florida than Spurrier will be around at SC. After all, we won't know until one of them calls it a day and moves on (or gets told to move on). Both are opinions and after only one pretty successful season for both, we have no idea how Meyer will do at Florida or how Spurrier will do at SC (in the long run).

I didn't bring it up....I only responded to it...and I didn't say that my opinion wasn't skewed...why even make such a statement?

You're right...it's his opinion, no matter how "baseless" it is...but every opinion usually has an explanation for how it was formed, otherwise, it's simply an unfounded remark...I gave my reasoning for my opinion... :laugh:

[Dr. Pepper]

I have said all along that I don't think that Meyer will be able to stand up to the pressure of the SEC year in and year out. This conference is light years ahead of every other conference in the nation, especially his former conference. Both the East and the West go 4 or 5 teams deep. He is recruiting in Florida, which is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. Unless the earth tilts on its axis, the Gators will always have talent. The question is, will he win championships with the talent? It is just a gut feeling, but I say "no." I agree with GH, it will take 5 years before things turn bad as far as his relationship with the fans go.

Spurrier, on the other hand, did well with inferior talent last year, has had two strong recruiting classes, and is showing that he can still recruit in Florida, in Georgia, and in the rest of the nation. He has a proven track record in the SEC. He has said that he wants to coach another 10 years.

I stick with my prediction. I am not sure how to back it up though. We could make a real bet, but I don't want to wait 4 or 5 years to collect. Let's just wait and see. One of us will be able to say "I told you so."

[GatorHunter]

after only one pretty successful season for both.

I have a question for the Cocks...and I am not flaming...just wandering...

Do y'all consider a 7-5 season a "pretty successful season"?

Does beating UF in Columbia make last season "successful"?

Again, I am not trying to flame, I am just wandering because I have a friend that's a USC Alumni and he doesn't see it the same way, although, he is a "glass is half-empty" kinda guy.

[GatorHunter]

I have said all along that I don't think that Meyer will be able to stand up to the pressure of the SEC year in and year out. This conference is light years ahead of every other conference in the nation, especially his former conference. Both the East and the West go 4 or 5 teams deep. He is recruiting in Florida, which is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. Unless the earth tilts on its axis, the Gators will always have talent. The question is, will he win championships with the talent? It is just a gut feeling, but I say "no." I agree with GH, it will take 5 years before things turn bad as far as his relationship with the fans go.

Spurrier, on the other hand, did well with inferior talent last year, has had two strong recruiting classes, and is showing that he can still recruit in Florida, in Georgia, and in the rest of the nation. He has a proven track record in the SEC. He has said that he wants to coach another 10 years.

I stick with my prediction. I am not sure how to back it up though. We could make a real bet, but I don't want to wait 4 or 5 years to collect. Let's just wait and see. One of us will be able to say "I told you so."

Glad "gut feelings" are just that.... :laugh:

Meyer actually recruits the entire nation....#1 player in the country out of Virginia....#1 player out of North Carolina....Pulled in the #1 QB out of California last season...has the current #1 defensive prospect in Bama committed...so I wouldn't compare his recruiting antics to "shooting fish in a barrell".

I do love how people predict that Meyer will not be able to handle the pressure of the "big bad SEC"... :laugh: I agree, the SEC is the best conference....but it's still football, we all follow the same rules...yes, Meyer was coaching against inferior teams at previous stops...but he was using inferior players...that argument don't hold water with me.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

I have a question for the Cocks...and I am not flaming...just wandering...

Do y'all consider a 7-5 season a "pretty successful season"?

Does beating UF in Columbia make last season "successful"?

Again, I am not trying to flame, I am just wandering because I have a friend that's a USC Alumni and he doesn't see it the same way, although, he is a "glass is half-empty" kinda guy.
You have to look at the circumstances. In my opinion, last year was a successful season. It was Spurrier's first year at SC, and he had to clean house (with numerous off-the-field problems). Now, in two to three years, if you ask me the same question, I would probably say no. I made a prediction last year before we had so many problems that I was expecting a 7-4 season. After all the problems we encountered (and with Spurrier getting rid of those players who couldn't follow his rules and using players he didn't recruit), I felt we were very fortunate to finish 7-4 for the regular season.

As far as whether us beating Florida (or Tennessee) makes a successful season, my measurement of success doesn't hinge on only one or two games. I tend to look at the entire season.

[GamecockDieHard]

The exciting thing about SEC football over previous years, IMO, is the uncertainty. I'm glad we haven't had any coaching changes this year 'cause that means we can now get down to performance. I think the next 2-3 years will be very interesting and at that time, if everything remains the same, then it will probably never change. But I think the conference is about to experience some changes. Meyer seems too psycho-babble to me, but I'm old and don't know nearly what he does. I like Spurrier's approach and stability. But what else would a Gamecock say?? Let's play and see what happens.

[Dr. Pepper]

We were 7-3 going into Clemson with wins over UT and UF and a near miss at UGA. Prothro killed us single handedly and the Auburn game should never have been played. Had Blake or Syvelle been at QB, it might have been different in the loveliest village (not saying we would have won, but it would have been better). The last two games certainly tarnished a very good year. Losing to Clemson never translates into a successful season.

However, the 2005 provided a window into the future, and I believe those of you who are intelligient about such things (yes, GH you are included in this) know that USC has a very bright future which means that dark days may be ahead for the formidable three.

Was 2005 a successful season for SOS? Yes. Was he happy with it? I doubt it. Will he be happy 5 years from now? I think so.

[GatorHunter]

Very good remarks...thanks for your candor and for not thinking I was "flaming"...

I think USC will be improved...again, it's hard for me to imagine USC becoming a dominant force in the SEC, especially considering the East is made up of the likes of UT, UF, UGA and USC....I don't see the East having 4 "dominant" teams...I don't see UGA or UF going anywhere....and I don't believe UT will be down for long...we'll see.

I really do love it when rivals say Meyer will never make it in the SEC....reminds me of 1990, when former UF player Steve Spurrier took the job at UF after a 4 year stay at Duke. Coming from Duke, an ACC team, a lot of rivals questioned his abilities...coming from of "weak" conference...only legit teams in the ACC at the time were Clemson and NC State...both of which were having "down" football years....SEC coaches said his offense would never make it in the "run oriented" SEC. Auburns HC, Pat Dye, said that "gimmicky" offense wouldn't cut it in the SEC where the LBs were as fast as DBs....Ray Perkins said the same...as did Majors at UT....and when UT spanked UF 41-3 in Spurs first season....they all laughed and screamed "told ya so"!! Boy were they ever wrong... :whistle:

[GatorNation]

Very good remarks...thanks for your candor and for not thinking I was "flaming"...

I think USC will be improved...again, it's hard for me to imagine USC becoming a dominant force in the SEC, especially considering the East is made up of the likes of UT, UF, UGA and USC....I don't see the East having 4 "dominant" teams...I don't see UGA or UF going anywhere....and I don't believe UT will be down for long...we'll see.

I really do love it when rivals say Meyer will never make it in the SEC....reminds me of 1990, when former UF player Steve Spurrier took the job at UF after a 4 year stay at Duke. Coming from Duke, an ACC team, a lot of rivals questioned his abilities...coming from of "weak" conference...only legit teams in the ACC at the time were Clemson and NC State...both of which were having "down" football years....SEC coaches said his offense would never make it in the "run oriented" SEC. Auburns HC, Pat Dye, said that "gimmicky" offense wouldn't cut it in the SEC where the LBs were as fast as DBs....Ray Perkins said the same...as did Majors at UT....and when UT spanked UF 41-3 in Spurs first season....they all laughed and screamed "told ya so"!! Boy were they ever wrong... :whistle:

I don't get it. We always seem to come back to the same arguments every year. Why is it that Meyer will not be able to "handle" the rigors of the SEC anymore than, say, Les Miles....who, by the way, didn't do squat in the Big XII South, let alone the Big XII conference? His claim to fame revolves around beating OU a few times....well, so did Solich (2001); now he's at Ohio. Miles' stats are moderate to poor overall....I posted them a long time ago. It's a fact. Tubby was basically out the door until that magical 2004 season....now Auburn is the talk of the conference. Fulmer had his worst season ever--yes, even worse than Meyer (with arguably better talent, especially if you asked UT fans on 9/01/05)--but he gets a pass for his body of work.

And SOS....he's amazing. But we forget a lot of his success came because he changed the culture of SEC football...passing first, running second. That's no longer a novelty. When you're not prepared for an attack because you don't see it every week, you're giving up a huge advantage to the other team. Combine that with the talent UF is able to get each year, and SOS would have probably been a disappointment if he had done any less before '97. Then the SEC caught up to him. SEC titles were much less often...no MNCs after '96....after all that momentum. ..all that genius....all that mastery and dominance. Anyone ever wonder why? And, hell, we all forget the bad games, the blowouts, the various times the offense looked like H.S. crap warmed over: '93 f$u @ Doak, SOS never won there btw; '90 UT, didn't score a TD (hmmm....that sounds familiar); '96 NU, totally throttled...and yeah, that could have been the best cfb team of all time, but Florida was 12-0 heading into that game....that was the team that beat 11-win UT 62-37 @ Neyland....so, it was probably one of SOS's best teams at UF as well.....should've been a better game at least. 31-14 loss @ Tennessee in '92. 37-17 loss to UGA in Jacksonville in '97. 34-7 loss to Bama in the '99 SECCG, followed by a bowl loss to Michigan State. But, ok, you don't wanna bring up "good" teams, what about the 30-6 loss to a 7-5 MSU in '92? Or the 47-35 loss to an only slightly-better 8-4 MSU team (again) in 2000?

SOS had some brainfarts on the gridiron, too. Let's not fool ourselves here.....it wasn't always smooth sailing at UF--and toward the end it was more rough than smooth compared to his first 6 years--and UF had more advantages (recruiting, history, forcing a Xs-and-Os culture change, good classes before SOS came in, etc.) than USCE has. It's going to be tougher for him now. Yes, he wins some games he shouldn't. Doesn't every coach? Didn't Miles vs. OU? Meyer wasn't supposed to crack the BCS with a MWC team either. SOS also lost some games he should've won. And UF lost some games it should've won, as did Meyer....last year @ USCE was the highlight, but so were the MSU games....and the MSU/Ole Miss games during the Zook era......didn't mean MSU or Ole Miss was ready to take over the SEC. It happens.

There is nothing to suggest that Meyer is any less equipped to achieve success at the SEC level. And if we're going to include him on the list of coaches "at risk" for failure, we should see a number of SEC coaches on that list as well.

[blues_cap]

i love sos as much as a man can love a man w/o really loving a man but the one complaint i had when he coached at florida was the teams seemed to lack focus a lot.....i dont know if it was the coaching mindset or what, but sometimes(mostly in bowl games) it looked like 22 lost middle schoolers running around on a playground.

the only explanation i could ever come up with was the layoff b/w the end of the season and the bowl games..... on that note, every team has that layoff so it cant really be used as an excuse.

[cocky4ever]

First of all to say that all Spurrier did was throw the ball all the time and score a lot of points is B.S. He exploited other teams weaknesses, thats what offensive genius' do. He found the mathcups that worked in his favor the most and used them to score points. Sure you can go back and find some games that he wasnt able to score much in, but then again look at the year yall won the NC. He lost to FSU and then came back and blew them out in the title game. After playing the criminoles once he knew exactly how to score on them, and he did so astoundingly in the title game. Granted, it is VERY rare that you get to play an opponent twice...but then again its rare that it takes Spurs two trys to exploit the other teams weaknesses.

I'll be the first to admit that there a few things that went our way last year and helped our record. Regardless, its still pretty impressive considering all the circumstances involved. We'll all have a much better idea of how these coaches will do at their new schools after the next season or two. But to say that the SEC defenses will prevent Spurrier from succeeding at SC but at the same time say Meyer's "magical spread" is gonna lay the conference to ruins is just dumb.

By the way, I remember all the trash talking GN and Geaux did last year about who's coach would do the best in the SEC....well, it looks like its Geaux-1 GatorNation-0:D

[GatorNation]

First of all to say that all Spurrier did was throw the ball all the time and score a lot of points is B.S.
Who said that? I said he changed the culture by focusing more on the passing game than the SEC was doing at that time. I never said he was one dimensional.

He exploited other teams weaknesses, thats what offensive genius' do. He found the mathcups that worked in his favor the most and used them to score points. Sure you can go back and find some games that he wasnt able to score much in, but then again look at the year yall won the NC. He lost to FSU and then came back and blew them out in the title game. After playing the criminoles once he knew exactly how to score on them, and he did so astoundingly in the title game.
Doesn't this happen more often that not? If you have any coaching talent at all, you're going to have a better chance at doing a better job the second time around. But I have a few counter examples anyway: (1) 1994 f$u (Spurrier follows up the "Choke at Doak" tie with a 23-17 loss in the Sugar Bowl) and (2) '99 Bama (UF loses 40-39 during the season, and plays worse in the SEC meeting, 34-7). So, SOS is 1-2 when meeting a team after a loss/non-win during the same season.

But to say that the SEC defenses will prevent Spurrier from succeeding at SC but at the same time say Meyer's "magical spread" is gonna lay the conference to ruins is just dumb.
Again, who said that? I never mentioned the spread, or Meyer, doing that to the SEC in that post. And SOS himself said the defenses were better and the offenses are more complex and balanced than they were in the 90s. My point was actually arguing against the opposite side of the spectrum: that Meyer won't bomb simply because he came from Utah. What's the rationale: that Meyer did REALLY well at Utah and Bowling Green but can't succeed at Florida with better talent? Well, Miles actually didn't succeed in the Big XII, but he somehow gets a pass? What's worse, doing better than anyone else has done in a non-BCS conference, the qualification of which is starting to mean less and less these days (i.e., "upsets" of powerhouse programs by "underdogs" are not so uncommon anymore), or failing to succeed in a moderately talented BCS conference like the Big XII? I'd take the former anyday of the week. Why didn't anyone hire Frank Solich after he was fired at Nebraska? Why didn't Colorado pick Bob Davie or Dan McCarney over Boise State-HC Dan Hawkins? The reasons are obvious.

And as far as Miles/less-U last year, the Tigers had arguably better talent than UF did, but when you take other factors into account--the numerous injuries to the little depth we had last year, not to mention the installation of an entirely new offensive system (remember Fisher was retained from Saban's staff)--UF had a much steeper climb. Despite those troubles, however, we outplayed the tiggers in the Bayou and should have won the game.

[JerryBeeds]

I think alot people give Urban a hard time because they just don't like the Gators and want to see them fail. It could be any coach with any sort of offensive style and you guys would hear the same thing. It's not about Urban IMO, it's about the Gators and how much the rest of the conference hates them. On a side note: I can't believe this thread is alive! I started it over a year ago.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

I think alot people give Urban a hard time because they just don't like the Gators and want to see them fail. On a side note: I can't believe this thread is alive! I started it over a year ago.
I believe you could say the same thing about Spurrier. Many people learned to hate Spurrier when he was at Florida, and although they don't hate South Carolina (after all, what's to hate based on our history), many would love to see Spurrier fail. I've seen quite a few posts on this site (not necessarily from UF fans but mainly from others) with negative comments about Spurrier and South Carolina. After all, Spurrier's the type of coach most fans either love or hate.....there's really no in between.

[cocky4ever]

Again, who said that? I never mentioned the spread, or Meyer, doing that to the SEC in this post. My point was actually arguing against the opposite side of the spectrum: that Meyer won't suck simply because he came from Utah. What's the rationale....that Meyer did REALLY well at Utah and Bowling Green but can't succeed at Florida with better talent? Well, Miles actually didn't succeed in the Big XII, but he somehow gets a pass? What's worse, doing better than anyone else has done in a non-BCS conference, which is starting to mean less and less these days (i.e., upsets of powerhouse programs by underdogs are not so uncommon anymore), or failing in a moderately talented BCS conference? I'd take the former anyday of the week. Aside from that, SOS himself said the defenses were better and the offenses are more complex and balanced than they were in the 90s. Why do people think I make this stuff up?

I agree, Meyer wont suck just because he came from a bad conference. You gotta work your way up somehow. He will probably do a pretty good job at UF. Still, I find it funny that people say Spurrier probably wont succeed because the SEC has changed so much, then turn around and say that Meyer will have a great run at UF. The game of college football overall has changed expecially in the SEC. Im just curious as to why all the things that will prevent Spurrier from being successful at SC dont apply to Meyer at UF. Meyer is bringin in a different system that was successful at smaller schools, and has a good shot at being reasonably successful at UF. What do you think Spurrier has been doing this whole time?? Sitting around trying to do the exact same things he did in the 90's. He realizes its a different game, thats why he's so excited about having Newton back on the field. He had Newton playing RB,WR, and QB last year and is gonna do it again. While he prefers a drop back passer he knows how many more possibilites there are when you have a more athletic QB who can threaten a defense in a lot of different ways. To think that the game has passed Spurrier by is to completely underestimate his offensive mind.

I never said that Miles gets a pass. I said that it would take another season or two before we have a really good idea of how these coaches are gonna do. But If you wanna ask the questions now I guess it does appear that not succeeding in the Big XII means more than being very successful in the wack conferences...afterall, wasnt it LSU who was in the SECCG and who blew out Miami in the Peach??

[Dr. Pepper]

As for Spurrier, I am just glad we have him. His strength is not in knowing the offense. His strength is understanding defense. He knows how to exploit the opponent, and he did well last year with a lot of weaknesses in his personnel.

My take on Meyer is not so much about his former life in another conference. It is the fact that his strength is offense, and I do not think that his offense will be able to beat the SEC defenses week in and week out. The coaches in the SEC are too smart and they will find a defense to stop Meyers offense.

[GatorNation]

I agree, Meyer wont suck just because he came from a bad conference. You gotta work your way up somehow. He will probably do a pretty good job at UF. Still, I find it funny that people say Spurrier probably wont succeed because the SEC has changed so much, then turn around and say that Meyer will have a great run at UF. The game of college football overall has changed expecially in the SEC. Im just curious as to why all the things that will prevent Spurrier from being successful at SC dont apply to Meyer at UF. Meyer is bringin in a different system that was successful at smaller schools, and has a good shot at being reasonably successful at UF. What do you think Spurrier has been doing this whole time?? Sitting around trying to do the exact same things he did in the 90's. He realizes its a different game, thats why he's so excited about having Newton back on the field. He had Newton playing RB,WR, and QB last year and is gonna do it again. While he prefers a drop back passer he knows how many more possibilites there are when you have a more athletic QB who can threaten a defense in a lot of different ways. To think that the game has passed Spurrier by is to completely underestimate his offensive mind.

I never said that Miles gets a pass. I said that it would take another season or two before we have a really good idea of how these coaches are gonna do. But If you wanna ask the questions now I guess it does appear that not succeeding in the Big XII means more than being very successful in the wack conferences...afterall, wasnt it LSU who was in the SECCG and who blew out Miami in the Peach??
Here's the thing: if SOS had waited a few weeks and taken the LSU job, we'd all be in serious, serious trouble. But Spurrier can't be "1990s Spurrier" until he builds up the program.....and he's not currently building USCE up to UF's '96 level; he's building it up to UF's '90 level. He's not starting from the same place he did in 1990. That's the misconception. Combine that fact with both the natural disadvantages compared to UF (recruiting base, etc.) and a tougher SEC with more parity in the modern cfb era, and it will take SOS longer to get USCE up to that 1996 level. It's not that it cannot be done, but it will be MUCH more difficult--a Herculean effort with more than 5 years on the job--than it was back then.

As far as Miles and less-U go, I addressed those comments in my post update....so, I won't repeat them here.

[Dr. Pepper]

If I am wrong, I will be among the first to tip my hat to Meyer and the Gators. We will just have to wait 3 or 4 more years to find out who is right.

[azamugg]

Oh my god this guys the biggest prick ever, BOOHO oh I got beaten out by a better QB and he thinks thats wrong because the biggest member of Florida athletics history told him to sit on the bench cause he came out flat! He should be on his hands and knees Spurrier allowed is butt to be out there! And if any Florida fan sides with this guy they should be kicked out of the Swamp forever no questions asked! Let me see here 6 SEC titles, 1 National Championship, coached a Heisman Trophy winner, and was a Heisman Trophy winner for the same school or A guy who got lucky in one SEC title game, Oh geez thats a toughie!

take Spurrier out of South Carolina and you wouldnt have even thought of commenting in this thread.................its ok to have a strong opinion but when the reason your opinion is so strong, is so apparent you end up looking a little silly

[azamugg]

I agree. Dean is coming across like this is his own "Pity Party". That's part of being an athlete. You got beat for the job fair and square. It's the coaches job to put the better athlete out on the field for every game.

100% Pure, All Natural SOUR GRAPES. That's all it is. :cool:

had this been a favorite qb in cock history and he had played for Holtz you wouldnt have this same sentiment.................at least try to hide your influence

[GatorHunter]

As for Spurrier, I am just glad we have him. His strength is not in knowing the offense. His strength is understanding defense. He knows how to exploit the opponent, and he did well last year with a lot of weaknesses in his personnel.

My take on Meyer is not so much about his former life in another conference. It is the fact that his strength is offense, and I do not think that his offense will be able to beat the SEC defenses week in and week out. The coaches in the SEC are too smart and they will find a defense to stop Meyers offense.

Spurrier's offense, at least while at UF, wasn't about exploiting defenses. Spurrier's offense was based on spreading the field, creating match-up problems, a ton of WR cross "pick" playes, and running the ball when the defense expected pass...see UF game last season.

[cocky4ever]

Spurrier's offense, at least while at UF, wasn't about exploiting defenses. Spurrier's offense was based on spreading the field, creating match-up problems, a ton of WR cross "pick" playes, and running the ball when the defense expected pass...see UF game last season.
Well, Spurrier's pass to run ratio is pretty close so its not as based on the pass as a lot of people make it out to be. Plus you say that it wasnt about exploiting weaknesses then go on to say that one of the things it was based on was creating match-up problems...isnt that also exploiting a weakness:confused:

Last but not least...if we're looking at the UF game last year then isnt that evidence that it DOES still work in the SEC. Strong was with SC when we had our best two years in school history(and some pretty dang good defenses while he was here) and has been at UF ever since. So obviously Spurrier's play calling is still effective.

[Dr. Pepper]

I can't speak for every game he coached at UF, but the ones that I witnessed showed that he knew how to exploit weaknesses, read tendencies, and make adjustments. He knows the defense. If a crossing pattern works, it is because he knows it will work. He doesn't just call a play and say "let's see if this works."

We are happy in Gamecock country. We do not expect to win the NC or the SEC this year, but we do expect to compete. We can wait a few years for the SEC and NC championships. Just don't rule us out because we are USC. Spurrier will have the fan base and the facilities that he needs. We are coming at you like a bullet.

[GatorHunter]

Well, Spurrier's pass to run ratio is pretty close so its not as based on the pass as a lot of people make it out to be. Plus you say that it wasnt about exploiting weaknesses then go on to say that one of the things it was based on was creating match-up problems...isnt that also exploiting a weakness:confused:

Last but not least...if we're looking at the UF game last year then isnt that evidence that it DOES still work in the SEC. Strong was with SC when we had our best two years in school history(and some pretty dang good defenses while he was here) and has been at UF ever since. So obviously Spurrier's play calling is still effective.

Everyone knows that Spurs runs the ball...at UF, he was near 50-50...but look at the yardage...that tells the story...pass vs run= 2-3 to 1 as far as yardage.

Creating match-up problems is a weakness that every team potentially has...for instance, you don't want your MLB covering a WR...that's the type of match-ups Spurs uses...has nothing to do with looking at a defense and saying "they're weak here...let's exploit it"...now it's genius how he does it, but again, it's a "generic" weakness that all teams potentially have.

As far as the game last season, UF got behind fast and early and became one dimensional, Spurs knew UF would concentrate on the pass, so he ran it...and he's the best playcaller, no doubt.

I'm not arguing that Spurs is no a great OC...he's the best offensive mind in CFB history...I'm just telling you he doesn't spend a lot of time in the film room disecting a defense...he looks at the packages that they run, picks a couple of hundred plays...and goes from there.

As far as Spurs ability to make adjustments...that was my biggest issue with him. 2001 was arguably the best offensive team UF ever fielded...however, vs a very mediocre Auburn team, SOS refused to run the ball...despite the fact that the rushing game was chewing up yards left and right...we lost....vs UT the same year....Ran Carthon had 3 runs of 10-20 yards...yet he only carried the ball 5-6 times...we lost...if we had won, we would have played in the SEC CG, if we won it, MNC game....vs Neb in '96 Fiesta...he refused to put Wuerrfel in the shotgun....'96 f$u game, again, refused to put Wuerrfel in the shotgun....the list goes on and on...

As blues says, I love Spurs....but the ability to adjust is not his greatest attribute...he is a stubborn son-of-a-gun!

[GatorNation]

Well, Spurrier's pass to run ratio is pretty close so its not as based on the pass as a lot of people make it out to be. Plus you say that it wasnt about exploiting weaknesses then go on to say that one of the things it was based on was creating match-up problems...isnt that also exploiting a weakness:confused:

Last but not least...if we're looking at the UF game last year then isnt that evidence that it DOES still work in the SEC. Strong was with SC when we had our best two years in school history(and some pretty dang good defenses while he was here) and has been at UF ever since. So obviously Spurrier's play calling is still effective.
But the ratio is skewed because SOS would often pass early to build a lead and then run in the second half in an effort to drain the clock.

As for the UF game, if that logic obtains, then the converse must also be true: that is, the games USCE lost stand as evidence that the offense doesn't work, which is too strong of a statement.

It's probably somewhere in the middle.

[cocky4ever]

As for the UF game, if that logic obtains, then the converse must also be true: that is, the games USCE lost stand as evidence that the offense doesn't work, which is too strong of a statement.

It's probably somewhere in the middle.

I can tell you without a doubt that our offense didnt lose the bowl game last year. We also outgained clemson in yardage by a pretty fair margin. At the same time we won some games in which we were outgained on the field. We had a pretty good scoring defense, but our overall defense stunk at times. There were plenty of times when other teams would chip away at the field and clock only to come up with a field goal. At the same time while our offense didnt have as much time they managed to put more points on the board and thus win the games. Once our defense reaches the level that our offense is at I think we'll be a pretty solid team.

But anyway....like we've said before only time will tell the true story of how these things will turn out, and no amount of debating is gonna have any effect on it. Its all just some interesting brain food to pass the time until the best sport in the world gets underway for yet another season. And I am glad that the Gator fans are on here helping us pass the time. All of yalls posts are well thought out and expressed, and informative. Nothin wrong with a little debating to kill some time before kickoff gets here.

[GatorNation]

I never said that Miles gets a pass. I said that it would take another season or two before we have a really good idea of how these coaches are gonna do. But If you wanna ask the questions now I guess it does appear that not succeeding in the Big XII means more than being very successful in the wack conferences...afterall, wasnt it LSU who was in the SECCG and who blew out Miami in the Peach??
This is the update I added after you posted your question.....

What's worse, doing better than anyone else has done in a non-BCS conference, the qualification of which is starting to mean less and less these days (i.e., "upsets" of powerhouse programs by "underdogs" are not so uncommon anymore), or failing to succeed in a moderately talented BCS conference like the Big XII? I'd take the former anyday of the week. Why didn't anyone hire Frank Solich after he was fired at Nebraska? Why didn't Colorado pick Bob Davie or Dan McCarney over (Boise State HC) Dan Hawkins? The reasons are obvious.

And as far as Miles/less-U last year, the Tigers had arguably better talent than UF did, but when you take other factors into account--the numerous injuries to the little depth we had last year, not to mention the installation of an entirely new offensive system (remember Fisher was retained from Saban's staff)--UF had a much steeper climb. Despite those troubles, however, we outplayed the tiggers in the Bayou and should have won the game.

But anyway....like we've said before only time will tell the true story of how these things will turn out, and no amount of debating is gonna have any effect on it. Its all just some interesting brain food to pass the time until the best sport in the world gets underway for yet another season. And I am glad that the Gator fans are on here helping us pass the time. All of yalls posts are well thought out and expressed, and informative. Nothin wrong with a little debating to kill some time before kickoff gets here.
Thanks for the kind words. The same can be said of nearly all of the posters here; SECTalk is a great place to post. And I agree....it's fun to banter about football, even if the season hasn't started yet.

The off-season feels like an eternity.....