Bush, stay out of people's business!!!!

[uscballer101]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050505/ap_on_re_eu/lithuania_bush_5

[JerryBeeds]

I think working for democracy is America's business... Belarus is a police state...

[uscballer101]

This is why we got attacked...We are interfering in other people's business...We arent the world's police, nothing in our constitution says that we should be doing this crap...

[jneesy]

yeah bush just leave those commies alone to reorganize the soviet union it will be our business when icbm's rain down on us

[IrmoCock]

I just love the "we brought it on ourselves" rhetoric.

[uscballer101]

Well I dont believe we shouldve attacked Iraq, Afganistan yes we shouldve...But instead of attacking Iraq in search of "weapons of mass destruction" we shouldve attacked North Korea because they DO have weapons of mass destruction...Itd be different if those people in that country were calling out for our help...But they arent...So we should leave them alone...

[jneesy]

Well I dont believe we shouldve attacked Iraq, Afganistan yes we shouldve...But instead of attacking Iraq in search of "weapons of mass destruction" we shouldve attacked North Korea because they DO have weapons of mass destruction...Itd be different if those people in that country were calling out for our help...But they arent...So we should leave them alone...

heres a novel idea when we get through with iraq then we smoke iran then beat down syria for good measure and when thats done if that sawed off dictator out east wants some we'll beat his ass too

one threat at a time

[JerryBeeds]

Katie bar the door... neesy's goin on a rampage... :eek:

[uscballer101]

And the point of these invasions is....Are you wanting to invade Iran and Syria just to invade them? The only one that we SHOULD invade is N. Korea...The others we dont have cause...Bush is a frickin idiot if he invades Syria and Iran...We would win, but whats the point? He is the only American on the "freeing the people of the world"...We should be attacking TERRORISTS! not countries...He should be focusing on the HUGE deficit that we have because of him, and all the other DOMESTIC problems we have...

[jneesy]

And the point of these invasions is....Are you wanting to invade Iran and Syria just to invade them? The only one that we SHOULD invade is N. Korea...The others we dont have cause...Bush is a frickin idiot if he invades Syria and Iran...We would win, but whats the point? He is the only American on the "freeing the people of the world"...We should be attacking TERRORISTS! not countries...He should be focusing on the HUGE deficit that we have because of him, and all the other DOMESTIC problems we have...

you have to crack the shell to get at the egg

iran should be smoked before they go nuclear
syria should be smoked for hiding saddams weopons and giving us so much hell in iran
and korea should be smoked because they have really bad food ;)

[SeattleGamecocks]

one threat at a time
BINGO ... Except we need to make sure there's a threat. Afghanistan - yes, Syria - yes, Jordan - yes, N Korea - yes, and Saudi Arabia - yes, diplomatically. Iraq - No, they posed no threat to Americans.

[jneesy]

my fingers are too tired to argue with you here too

but youre just as wrong

[IrmoCock]

korea should be smoked because they have really bad food ;)
Reading that made my day a little bit better. Best line of the day. :D

[cocky4ever]

Well I dont believe we shouldve attacked Iraq, Afganistan yes we shouldve...But instead of attacking Iraq in search of "weapons of mass destruction" we shouldve attacked North Korea because they DO have weapons of mass destruction...Itd be different if those people in that country were calling out for our help...But they arent...So we should leave them alone...
Im with you Baller. Just like Bush wants to tell people how they can live their lives in America he wants to tell other countries how to operate. Thats not our job. We're not the babysitter of the world. Thats like someone living in a house where only one parent works telling the rest of the families they have to set up a similar system in their household. Our military is already spread out too thin anyway. We're all over the world. Basically any place we've ever invaded we still have some amount of troops there. Are we just gonna keep going until we are all over the world? We cant even effectively deal with Iraq, how the hell are we gonna deal with N Korea effectively? We cant because our resources are spread too thin. We need to take care of ourselves first and foremost.

[IrmoCock]

Thats like someone living in a house where only one parent works telling the rest of the families they have to set up a similar system in their household.
Actually it would be more like taking the initiative and starting a crime watch in your neighborhood. If there's no standard for behavior in your neighborhood, eventually crime will run you out of it. You can't buy enough weapons and security systems to protect your house if you don't care what's going on outside of it. That's just my .02.

[Neo]

Im with you Baller. Just like Bush wants to tell people how they can live their lives in America he wants to tell other countries how to operate. Thats not our job. We're not the babysitter of the world.


Actually we are. When the Soviet Union collapsed, we became the sole superpower of the world. It's a crappy job, but someone has to set the standards of behavior for the world. Using your logic, we should not have interfered with Nazi Germany during WWII.


As for Iraq, apparently Bush gave the UN PLENTY of time to enforce their OWN sanctions against Iraq. The corrupt UN president Kofi Annan refused and so we did our thing. Can you really expect anything that remotely resembles honesty within the UN when it's been proven that Annan was bought by Saddam Hussein.

Speaking of Iraq, would you consider firing at US warplanes an act of war? Well, if you do then you have proven my point earlier about Iraq. Several times a day, Iraqi soldiers fired upon US/British aircraft enforcing the UN sanctions that were levied after Operation Desert Storm. If that isn't an act/declaration of war, I don't know what is. :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

My only comment on this one is that we need to remember it is places like this that terrorists groups and other insurgents and takers of freedom hide out and plan their attacks on our home land. I do not believe we can ever have enough freedom, or democratic countries.

[cocky4ever]

Actually we are. When the Soviet Union collapsed, we became the sole superpower of the world. It's a crappy job, but someone has to set the standards of behavior for the world. Using your logic, we should not have interfered with Nazi Germany during WWII.


As for Iraq, apparently Bush gave the UN PLENTY of time to enforce their OWN sanctions against Iraq. The corrupt UN president Kofi Annan refused and so we did our thing. Can you really expect anything that remotely resembles honesty within the UN when it's been proven that Annan was bought by Saddam Hussein.

Speaking of Iraq, would you consider firing at US warplanes an act of war? Well, if you do then you have proven my point earlier about Iraq. Several times a day, Iraqi soldiers fired upon US/British aircraft enforcing the UN sanctions that were levied after Operation Desert Storm. If that isn't an act/declaration of war, I don't know what is. :cool:

I think there is a little bit of a difference between Nazi Germany taking over Europe and the way elections are held in Belarus. We didnt get involved in WWII until we realized " Hey, that crazy $%&#er is actually gonna win unless we do something." Im with you on the UN. It is just another group of politicians with a political agenda, not an agenda to improve the quality of life for people in the world. The UN is nothing but a joke.

As far as the Iraq thing I would consider that an act of war. Would you consider air strikes an act of war? If you would then technically we've been at war with Iraq this whole time. Its just that now so much of our military is there that we cant effectively deal with another problem until we can clean up the mess there, which is getting worse, not better. Like I said, after 9/11 Bush talked about fighting the war of the 21st century. So what does he do? He goes and gets into a war of the 20th century.

Another thing that I think is funny is that Bush talks as if Americans get exactly who they want to represent them. What makes our elections free? The fact that I have 2 crappy candidates to pick from instead of one? Great system. :rolleyes:

[WayzUp]

Im with you Baller. Just like Bush wants to tell people how they can live their lives in America he wants to tell other countries how to operate. Thats not our job. We're not the babysitter of the world. Thats like someone living in a house where only one parent works telling the rest of the families they have to set up a similar system in their household. Our military is already spread out too thin anyway. We're all over the world. Basically any place we've ever invaded we still have some amount of troops there. Are we just gonna keep going until we are all over the world? We cant even effectively deal with Iraq, how the hell are we gonna deal with N Korea effectively? We cant because our resources are spread too thin. We need to take care of ourselves first and foremost.
I agree 100%...we're on the "spread democracy" warpath and we can barely hold an election of our own here without there being voter fraud charges hurled from both sides throughout the voting process. Then you look at the state of our education, of our healthcare system, social security is in some cold dark corner gasping its last breath as I type, the deficit is growing daily along with unemployment, i've raised enough prices on raw materials of stuff we use every day in the last year alone to know there's an inflation tidal wave on its way....the list goes on and on and on...and we're spending BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A WEEK on bringing democracy to the Iraqi people.

Since when did their well-being supersede that of our own citizens? :confused:

[Volnooga]

This is why we got attacked...We are interfering in other people's business...We arent the world's police, nothing in our constitution says that we should be doing this crap...


So we should continue to turn a blind eye to inhumanity and social reform in other countries because it isn't our "business".

Do you believe we should be sending food to Africa to feed the starving children?

What about those starving for freedom?

[uscballer101]

I think we need to worry about OUR poor and OUR homeless before we begin worrying about other countries peoples...We have too many problems at home to be over seas meddling in other peoples affairs...Bush is just being a bully...And the UN takes care of inhumanities...We dont need everyone in the world hating us...We arent THAT powerful to take on the entire world...Bush is being like some of the people on this site...Attacking people who do not agree with him...Thats it...

[Neo]

I think we need to worry about OUR poor and OUR homeless before we begin worrying about other countries peoples.


Now I partially agree with you there. The US has hundreds of available programs for the poor and homeless. Is it the American way to only care about Americans and no one else?



We have too many problems at home to be over seas meddling in other peoples affairs...Bush is just being a bully.


How are we meddling in someone else's affairs? We were routinely shot at my Iraqi Anti-aircraft guns on a daily basis and I'm not going to even get into why we're in Afghanistan. Using the definition below, how is Bush a bully when every single time that he has deployed troops, it has been in some form or shape of self-defense? A bully picks on someone without provocation.

bully
n. pl. bullies
A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people.




And the UN takes care of inhumanities...We dont need everyone in the world hating us...We arent THAT powerful to take on the entire world...Bush is being like some of the people on this site...Attacking people who do not agree with him...Thats it...


The UN doesn't do jack squat. That's why they (UN) ask the US to oversee their operations. The UN is like a tiger without teeth or claws. Absolutely useless. That's not counting the fact that when the UN General Assembly was created, it was created on the basis for Anti-Americanism. For example, the USSR (Soviet Union) had five (5) votes in the GA. The USA had one (1). China had three (3) votes, the USA had one. See where I'm going with this? :cool:

As far as people hating us, that's because they're jealous. We are the only country in the world where a man can go hunting on a full stomach. It's not our fault that our way of life and political system works. If you envy it so much, adopt it instead of crying about it.

No one is attacking anyone here. This is a serious discussion and it's going to draw heated comments. I believe that you started this thread.

[IrmoCock]

So we should continue to turn a blind eye to inhumanity and social reform in other countries because it isn't our "business".

Do you believe we should be sending food to Africa to feed the starving children?

What about those starving for freedom?
The "moral high-ground" requires us to act. We can't simply wait on the UN to take care of humanities.

If we simply kept to ourselves and never ventured outside our borders for anything other that vacation, do you think the countries that hate us now would hate us any less. I, for one, know this is a fallacy. They would hate us for our snobbery and our inaction. If we're going to be hated anyway (and I, for one, believe that we will be hated because it goes with the territory of being the most prosperous and envied civilization in the history of the world), then I believe we ought to do our best to help those that can't help themselves. Again, just my .02.

[GamecocksRule]

I have to agree with most of the responses on this thread..I don't think any US president should stay out of other countries business' completely..that would just be asking for other countries around the world to start getting out of control. The way I see it, it is important to keep lines of communication open between ALL countries around the world..lets you know who is willing to work together to keep our "world" safe and who is not.

[Neo]

lets you know who is willing to work together to keep our "world" safe and who is not.



Well, I vote Iraq as one that was NOT working to make the world safe. :cool:

[GamecocksRule]

Well, I vote Iraq as one that was NOT working to make the world safe. :cool:
I have to agree with you on that..since you put it that way in response to my post it does make sense. ;) You know, I really like having disagreements with different people because I am always amazed that I almost always learn something from them. :cool:

[BeeDee]

I think we need to worry about OUR poor and OUR homeless before we begin worrying about other countries peoples...We have too many problems at home to be over seas meddling in other peoples affairs...Bush is just being a bully...And the UN takes care of inhumanities...We dont need everyone in the world hating us...We arent THAT powerful to take on the entire world...Bush is being like some of the people on this site...Attacking people who do not agree with him...Thats it...
The first part is very valid. We need to take care of our own as first priority. Bush isn't being a bully though, in my opinion, he's being a zealot. He's letting his passion for democracy get us into situations that we don't belong in. He has good intentions.

As for the UN, they can kiss my big, hairy, white ass. We need to get out of the UN RIGHT NOW. We're bankrolling it and we can certainly make better use of that money.

[Tator]

Here's a crazy idea: How about we start making Iraq pay us back in oil? Or are we, as the American tax payer, going to have to choke down the cost of their freedom.

[WayzUp]

Here's a crazy idea: How about we start making Iraq pay us back in oil? Or are we, as the American tax payer, going to have to choke down the cost of their freedom.
I thought that was supposed to be the idea all along...that the sale of their oil would pay for rebuilding everything we knocked down. I assumed we already were since the oil ministry building was the first to be secured the night we rolled into Baghdad.... :rolleyes:

[WayzUp]

Well, I vote Iraq as one that was NOT working to make the world safe. :cool:
I think everyone agrees with that, Neo. The disagreements come when you start talking about the best way to deal with them.

If we and the rest of the civilized world joined together and just cut Iraq off from EVERYTHING, we could have all those eyes on Saddam, inspectors flying around his head like horseflys and we'd be free to send our boys to wherever we find terrorist camps. As for the UN, that's easy...tell them to join with us on this or we're done doing their dirty work for them. The world was ready for exactly that path right up until we decided to cowboy up and attack no matter what anyone else thought. :cool:

We may have 'liberated' Iraq but at the same time, fanatics across the rest of the Middle East can hover under the radar while we're stuck in a no-win situation. We took our eye off the ball, in my opinion...of course, I have the luxury of hindsight.