The Summit

[Volnooga]

Last night Lady Vols defeated Purdue giving head coach Pat Summit her 880th Career win. This win take her past Smith as Div 1-A coach with the most victories. This leads me to a series of questions.

Do you think 880 wins is as impressive in women's basketball as it is in Men's?

Do you think Summit should be classified in the same catagory as men's coaches?

Could Summit be successfull as a Men's BB coach?

[Neo]

Last night Lady Vols defeated Purdue giving head coach Pat Summit her 880th Career win. This win take her past Smith as Div 1-A coach with the most victories. This leads me to a series of questions.

Do you think 880 wins is as impressive in women's basketball as it is in Men's?

Do you think Summit should be classified in the same catagory as men's coaches?

Could Summit be successfull as a Men's BB coach?



#1: Yes....880 wins in any sport is a great accomplishment.

#2: In a way no. In men's basketball, there is a lot more parity and competition.

#3: To be honest, I don't think so. I don't think she would get the recruits.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

#1: Yes....880 wins in any sport is a great accomplishment.

#2: In a way no. In men's basketball, there is a lot more parity and competition.

#3: To be honest, I don't think so. I don't think she would get the recruits.
I agree with Neo's take on the questions posed, except #2. I believe yes for #2. The SEC usually has a half dozen or more teams in the top 25 in women's basketball, and the competion is definitely there. As a matter of fact there are far more women's SEC teams in the top 25 year in and year out than men's SEC basketball teams (at least in recent years).
As far as #3, I think from a coaching standpoint she could be successful coaching men's basketball. However, recruiting would be the issue. Don't believe the men would be willing to swallow their pride and sign on to play for a team coached by a woman.

[Volnooga]

ha, I would play for because of how mean she looks... it has nothing to do with gender,,, :D

[SPURED]

i think she could COACH on the mens level. but getting great basketball players would be alot harder for her. because some of these guys are also looking for a father figure along with a great coach. and i dont think she would make a very good father figure. so she wouldnt be as dominate as she is on the womens level. but she would be a very good X's and O's coach on the mens level.

[OrangeCrush]

Do you think 880 wins is as impressive in women's basketball as it is in Men's?

Yes

Do you think Summit should be classified in the same catagory as men's coaches?

No...Pat should stand alone in her accomplishments. What she has done is far greater than Dean Smith. He is one of a handfull of great coaches in men's basketball(Knight, Wooden, Coach K, Fog Allen). She is the standard bearer for woman's basketball. She built a program from a club sport to the best in college basketball.

Could Summit be successfull as a Men's BB coach?

Yes, I think great coaches are great coaches. She would find a way to deal with whatever issues arose from a woman coaching men.

[cocky4ever]

Do you think 880 wins is as impressive in women's basketball as it is in Men's?

Yes

Do you think Summit should be classified in the same catagory as men's coaches?

No...Pat should stand alone in her accomplishments. What she has done is far greater than Dean Smith. He is one of a handfull of great coaches in men's basketball(Knight, Wooden, Coach K, Fog Allen). She is the standard bearer for woman's basketball. She built a program from a club sport to the best in college basketball.

Could Summit be successfull as a Men's BB coach?

Yes, I think great coaches are great coaches. She would find a way to deal with whatever issues arose from a woman coaching men.
I dont know about the statement saying that Summit has done far more than Dean Smith. For one the competition is far greater. Plus Dean Smith basically made UNC what it is in basketball also. Plus back then they played less games per year.

[Djshockley3]

She could never be a mens coach what black male athlete wants to go play for her,lol.

[OrangeCrush]

I dont know about the statement saying that Summit has done far more than Dean Smith. For one the competition is far greater. Plus Dean Smith basically made UNC what it is in basketball also. Plus back then they played less games per year.

I was not trying to diminish what Dean Smith has done. I say Pat Summitt has done more for the women's game than Dean Smith has done for the men's game. Also, I believe Coach Summitt has coached less games than Dean Smith coached in his career, so the less games per year theory does not hold water. I do believe men's basketball has more competitive balance than the women's game has. That being said, the Lady Vols have never ducked playing any of the best hoops teams every year.

[OrangeCrush]

She could never be a mens coach what black male athlete wants to go play for her,lol.

DJ can read the minds of black athletes. That is an impressive skill you have. How long have you been able to do that? Do you use your skill to help the bulldogs in recruiting? Maybe Richt should put you on the staff.

[Volnooga]

Plus Dean Smith basically made UNC what it is in basketball also

Pat Summit has made Womens basketball what it is, not just at her university, but nationwide! What is your point? When she started coaching it was a club sport no more no less. Check this out first http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncw/feature/featureStory?page=alone_summitt

She could never be a mens coach what black male athlete wants to go play for her,lol.

Maybe any of them that would want to get a real basketball education and play in the pros? I don't know, I think I would rather play for Div1 - A's winningest coach before I'd play at a lot of these other schools.

[autiger1126]

I think that she is a great coach, but I don't think she would be able to connect with her players well if she coached men. There is a different relationship a male athlete has with a male coach than he would have with a female coach. She obviously knows the game of basketball, but I don't think the players would play as well because there would be a lack of chemistry.

[Djshockley3]

DJ can read the minds of black athletes. That is an impressive skill you have. How long have you been able to do that? Do you use your skill to help the bulldogs in recruiting? Maybe Richt should put you on the staff.

i promise u she would do bad in recruiting and she could not win.

[JBryant12]

it would be a big adjustment thats for sure....

[Djshockley3]

it would be a big adjustment thats for sure....

Players wanna play for a man and someone who has played m basktball not a woman.

[uscballer101]

I had a female coach for soccer and its no different than playing for a man...

[JerryBeeds]

Ladies hoops are crap. I don't even know any girls who watch it. For at least 25 years of Summit's career the only other good program in the country has been UCONN and she loses to them every time they play.

[Djshockley3]

I had a female coach for soccer and its no different than playing for a man...

Man be quite,I am trying to prove a point.

[Djshockley3]

Ladies hoops are crap. I don't even know any girls who watch it. For at least 25 years of Summit's career the only other good program in the country has been UCONN and she loses to them every time they play.

Thats true,I keep up with UGA girls but thats it.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Summit`s win record is impressive, but it does not come close to Dean Smith`s record. Smith had to go through parity, and kids leaving early in the NBA Draft. Although I think Summit would be a successful head coach for men, she`s tough, demanding, and a great coach. But that`s if men would accept her, I think she would have a solid program that could get to the sweet 16 every now and then.

[Djshockley3]

Summit`s win record is impressive, but it does not come close to Dean Smith`s record. Smith had to go through parity, and kids leaving early in the NBA Draft. Although I think Summit would be a successful head coach for men, she`s tough, demanding, and a great coach. But that`s if men would accept her, I think she would have a solid program that could get to the sweet 16 every now and then.

She could not coach men.

[OrangeCrush]

She could not coach men.

DJ, you are welcome to rail on the Vols as UcheaT and I will never call you out on it again. I always poke back at you, because you will most of the time take the bait. I know you are surrounded by Vol fans and it gets old hearing the same garbage day after day. It is the sexist attitude that you post on here that has me PO'd. While you are welcome to post your opinion, you do not have a clue as to what would happen if she became a coach for a men's program. I do not either. I believe that great coaching transcends, but it is just an opinion. How are you 100% that Pat Summitt could not make it on the other side?

What do you say about UConn's womens program? They have a man for a coach. Why is it that a man can coach women to championships, but a woman could not do the same with men? Are you saying that men are not smart enough or capable of handling direction from a woman? Please help me understand your thinking.

[orangevol]

Ladies hoops are crap. I don't even know any girls who watch it. For at least 25 years of Summit's career the only other good program in the country has been UCONN and she loses to them every time they play. :mad: You should really get your facts straight before you dish'em. Because, UConn has not beat us everytime! in fact when we went toe to toe with them this year we beat'em! and probably the only reason why you think that Ladies hoops are crap is because, whoever is your favorite team, has a SUCKY womens basketball program! :mad: O and I believe that she deserves to have her name spelled right SUMMITT

[SPURED]

she could coach at the mens level. but she wouldnt be anything like she is on the womens level. i just think the relationship with her players would be a big problem for her. the egos of the high school athletes now days are so huge i just cant see her bringing in the best recruits like she has on the womens level. and alot of the athletes are also looking for a father figure. which they look towards there coach to be that person and im not quite sure she can be that for them.

[GeauxTo]

She could not coach men.I agree with DJ.
Now, all she has to do is beat the Lady Tigers. She's done it a lot, but can she do it in this year's playoffs?? It'll be a "Clash of the Titans."
;)

[cocky4ever]

Pat Summit has made Womens basketball what it is, not just at her university, but nationwide! What is your point? When she started coaching it was a club sport no more no less. Check this out first http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncw/feature/featureStory?page=alone_summitt



Maybe any of them that would want to get a real basketball education and play in the pros? I don't know, I think I would rather play for Div1 - A's winningest coach before I'd play at a lot of these other schools.
I never said Summitt didnt help make womens basketball what it is today.Sure she played a large part of it.However, womens basketball isnt really that big of a thing, even now. Summitt goes against SEC foes in womens basketball. Smith went against ACC foes in mens. He played Duke,Wake, Maryland,etc.etc. He also just so happened to develop some of the greatest players to ever set foot on a basketball court,including Michael Jordan. To compare Summitt to Dean Smith is unfair to her because Smith is one of the biggest names in basketball period.

[Jordan]

I heard a local sports guy on TV today make an interesting comment on Question #3. While Summit would likely be a winning coach on a men's team, she would probably not have near the success as she has as a women's coach. Why? Because if you think about it, most successful coaches have that "sharing" that goes on between them and their players and being able to relate to them. Summit knows what it's like to be a woman between 18-22 years old, and can relate with her players to help motivate them to be the best. Just like the great men's coaches are able to relate with their athletes. I don't think a woman coach would be able to "relate" in this same successful manner with a group of 18-22 year old male athletes. Just like a male coach can't relate on that level with female athletes.

[JerryBeeds]

:mad: You should really get your facts straight before you dish'em. Because, UConn has not beat us everytime! in fact when we went toe to toe with them this year we beat'em! and probably the only reason why you think that Ladies hoops are crap is because, whoever is your favorite team, has a SUCKY womens basketball program! :mad: O and I believe that she deserves to have her name spelled right SUMMITT
Yeah! Softball rules too! Give me a break.

[OrangeCrush]

I heard a local sports guy on TV today make an interesting comment on Question #3. While Summit would likely be a winning coach on a men's team, she would probably not have near the success as she has as a women's coach. Why? Because if you think about it, most successful coaches have that "sharing" that goes on between them and their players and being able to relate to them. Summit knows what it's like to be a woman between 18-22 years old, and can relate with her players to help motivate them to be the best. Just like the great men's coaches are able to relate with their athletes. I don't think a woman coach would be able to "relate" in this same successful manner with a group of 18-22 year old male athletes. Just like a male coach can't relate on that level with female athletes.

What do you say about the coach at UConn? He is a man you know. Women's basketball has plenty of men coaches succeed. Why can a man do this but it could not happen with a woman coach and a mens team?

[allaboutavol]

DJ can read the minds of black athletes. That is an impressive skill you have. How long have you been able to do that? Do you use your skill to help the bulldogs in recruiting? Maybe Richt should put you on the staff.


He is only 14,(really) so he can only see black and white anyway,(he's like a dog that way) his eyes haven't finished growing yet.

[allaboutavol]

Ladies hoops are crap. I don't even know any girls who watch it. For at least 25 years of Summit's career the only other good program in the country has been UCONN and she loses to them every time they play.


Hey...you arn't worth getting kicked off the board, so never mind.

[fernandomike]

Ladies hoops are crap. I don't even know any girls who watch it. For at least 25 years of Summit's career the only other good program in the country has been UCONN and she loses to them every time they play.

What the hell are you talking about? The women's game is in fact better than the men's. Men's basketball is clearly more athletic. It is played above the rim with explosiveness and creativity being at a premium. However, that which makes it so enjoyable to watch also weakens it. Women screen, box-out, pass, they do all the fundamental things that are supposed to be a part of the game. These things are becoming a lost art for men. Its all about the dunk, no look passes, all this fancy one-on-one stuff. If you want to see good basketball, watch the ladies or catch one of those teams that lack a superstar and strive to share the ball. In men's basketball, there are very few.
As has often been stated here, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Your post definitely proves the point that all opinions are not created equal.

[JerryBeeds]

What the hell are you talking about? The women's game is in fact better than the men's. Men's basketball is clearly more athletic. It is played above the rim with explosiveness and creativity being at a premium. However, that which makes it so enjoyable to watch also weakens it. Women screen, box-out, pass, they do all the fundamental things that are supposed to be a part of the game. These things are becoming a lost art for men. Its all about the dunk, no look passes, all this fancy one-on-one stuff. If you want to see good basketball, watch the ladies or catch one of those teams that lack a superstar and strive to share the ball. In men's basketball, there are very few.
As has often been stated here, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Your post definitely proves the point that all opinions are not created equal.
I guess one can't make a point without the thought police creeping in. :confused:

[fernandomike]

So you thought that you could say something like that and not offend anyone?

[Neo]

So you thought that you could say something like that and not offend anyone?


Here goes my speech again....


What people need to realize is that this is a message board where opinions can be posted. You will get responses to your posts that may or may not be favorable. What you need to know is that everyone is entitled to their opinions and as long as we don't get vulgar or make serious personal attacks against other site members, then everything else is pretty much fair game.

Neo
SECTalk.com Admin/News Writer

[uscballer101]

haha, hey ive seen that before...right neo?

[Neo]

haha, hey ive seen that before...right neo?

I think everyone has seen that speech at least once. :cool:

[OrangeCrush]

If you do not like women's hoops, that is fine. I like both, but prefer well played basketball regardless of gender. What I would ask you to watch your comments on is stating what happens in women's basketball if you do not watch it. There are plenty of teams who have been at the top in wbball. I'd go on, but I'm sure it would bore you.

[cocky4ever]

He is only 14,(really) so he can only see black and white anyway,(he's like a dog that way) his eyes haven't finished growing yet.
LOL. Damn thats funny. :D

[JerryBeeds]

So you thought that you could say something like that and not offend anyone?
Bullying is the lowest form of debate. Your trying to squelch debate by basically calling me stupid. You made a valid counter-point that would have been better recieved without the snide comments.

[Neo]

Yeah! Softball rules too! Give me a break.


Even though most people don't like facts, it's hard to dispute them. Women's sports will always take a backseat. I didn't make it that way, it's just how the world works.


Raise your hand if you REALLY care about or watch softball? Be honest! :cool:

[JBryant12]

there are some hot chicks on my schools softball team but thats about as much attention as i pay to it....

[fernandomike]

Bullying is the lowest form of debate. Your trying to squelch debate by basically calling me stupid. You made a valid counter-point that would have been better recieved without the snide comments.

I responded to a quote that I thought was very strong with a statement that was strong as well. I am from a family where most of the women play basketball. Its our tradition. Thus, your comment offended me and I am sure several others. Granted, you are entitled to your beliefs.

I have no interest in bullying you out of your opinion. I also do not think that you are stupid, nor would i ever say or imply that you are stupid. I was speaking more to the post directly than to your intelligence. You, me, and everyone else on here make claims that others would consider to be either offensive or of little value. Your statement that "women's basketball is crap" falls within that realm for me. Perhaps, you can say the same for some of my posts. Particularly, the end of the last one. Though i have tried to help you understand my reasoning, I do agree that my final statement was "snide" and for that I apologize.

[OrangeCrush]

Even though most people don't like facts, it's hard to dispute them. Women's sports will always take a backseat. I didn't make it that way, it's just how the world works.


Raise your hand if you REALLY care about or watch softball? Be honest! :cool:

I agree with Neo. In the sports world, the women take a backseat to the men. That does not mean that women's sports have no place in college athletics. As Tennessee fans, we have had the privledge to see how good women can be. They can play basketball, soccer, softball, tennis, etc. While the NBA has inspired the dunk and me first get on sportscenter type of attitude, a lot of great team basketball is played on the women's side.

If there was no interest in woman's sports, then why would Mia Hamm get all of those Gatorade commericals. Why did all major media outlets cover Pat Summitt's 880 wins? Is it as big as men's sports? No, but there is room for both of them, and a good amount of people get enjoyment out of watching the women play.

[autiger1126]

As a response as to why the UCONN coach can coach women well, I think that it has to do with figures of authority. It has been commen practice for a looooong time that men have the authority, so why it works for girls is that they don't take it as personal. It's unfortunate, but that is how it is. For a woman coach to be the authoritative figure for guys might not be accepted by the players, so they might not give there best effort and play for her. :(