Clemson-Carolina Brawl

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everyone that i have talked to about the fight have all said it was carolinas fault and clemson did nothing wrong. to me it seems like everyone has blamed the whole thing on USC and now the reputation of USC has been smeared all over the place while clemson's rep hasnt been touched at all. just wondering why this has affected our rep so much but clemsons has been left untouched.

[Cockrocker]

Nobody expects better behavior from the Tiggers. Anybody who puts all the blame on the Cocks must be smoking rope. Should we have been at the bottom of the hill? No! But we did not block their way. The Clempson players had to go ten or twelve yards towards our sideline to find a USC player to jaw with. The refs should have done a better job of policing the entire game (late hits, extra hits, jaw jacking).

Who's really to blame? I'd say the Clemson player that took a shot at Newton's head while being held down by a Tigger after the play was over.

Of course the Clemson fans claim that's just part of football (take a cheap shot when you can?)

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Nobody expects better behavior from the Tiggers. Anybody who puts all the blame on the Cocks must be smoking rope. Should we have been at the bottom of the hill? No! But we did not block their way. The Clempson players had to go ten or twelve yards towards our sideline to find a USC player to jaw with. The refs should have done a better job of policing the entire game (late hits, extra hits, jaw jacking).

Who's really to blame? I'd say the Clemson player that took a shot at Newton's head while being held down by a Tigger after the play was over.

Of course the Clemson fans claim that's just part of football (take a cheap shot when you can?)

everyone has been so quick to blame the whole thing on USC. and every tiger fan i have talked to didnt see the player punch newton. so if i had the oppurtunity i showed them what actually started the brawl. and all they could say was well yall shouldnt have been at the bottom of our hill. to me it just seems like we have gotten the brunt of all the negativity while clemson has been sitting back like they didnt do anything. with a grin on there face.

kinda reminds me of when i was younger and my little brother would get caught doing something wrong and my parents would yell at him while im sitting back thinking gosh im glad they didnt catch me doing that.

[Neo]

everyone has been so quick to blame the whole thing on USC. and every tiger fan i have talked to didnt see the player punch newton. so if i had the oppurtunity i showed them what actually started the brawl. and all they could say was well yall shouldnt have been at the bottom of our hill. to me it just seems like we have gotten the brunt of all the negativity while clemson has been sitting back like they didnt do anything. with a grin on there face.

kinda reminds me of when i was younger and my little brother would get caught doing something wrong and my parents would yell at him while im sitting back thinking gosh im glad they didnt catch me doing that.

This is like a bad case of "sibling rivalry". The reason the media comes down on us (USC) is because they think we're better than that. Sorta like an older brother beating up on his little sister.

They expect Clemson to do that kinda crap, that's why noone is condemming them for their part.

[DENTSVILLECOCK]

Clemson sucks!!!

[USAFGAMECOCK]

This is like a bad case of "sibling rivalry". The reason the media comes down on us (USC) is because they think we're better than that. Sorta like an older brother beating up on his little sister.

They expect Clemson to do that kinda crap, that's why noone is condemming them for their part.


I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we actually did something to our players, and Bowden didn't give a $*#@ what his players did, and had no intention of punishing them. I think the ACC did what they did jut because the SEC was taking action. Bowden expected his team to just walk away from all of that with no punishment to his players. So while WE were all over the papers, they were laying low. Plus the whole theft thing afterwords don't help our rep out much either.

[Neo]

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we actually did something to our players, and Bowden didn't give a $*#@ what his players did, and had no intention of punishing them. I think the ACC did what they did jut because the SEC was taking action. Bowden expected his team to just walk away from all of that with no punishment to his players. So while WE were all over the papers, they were laying low. Plus the whole theft thing afterwords don't help our rep out much either.

You make a valid point there...... :cool:

[SamuraiTater]

C'mon Dents, you can do better than that. I know you've got it in ya'. ;) ;) ;)

.....And pardon me while I go research the origins of the brawl. The State printed a chronological timeline of events in an article immediately after both schools released all of the film they used to review the matter. If I have to pay for archived data, I'm not going that far, but hopefully it's still free. ....Well, "hopefully" depending on one's perspective. ;)

[SamuraiTater]

Well, fortunately for ya'll it does cost money now, $2.95 to be exact. If you're truely interested in knowing how the brawl itself started (nothing to do with pre-game festivities, but the end of the play only), the article is entitled "Tale of the Tape". It was published in the 7 December, 2004 edition of The State.

.....And no, Bobby Williamson is not the instigator with a punch to Syvelle Newton's head. If I'm not mistaken, Chris White's role is also reactionary.

Now will this be a thread killer or will Gamecocks be interested in learning the truth ? ....Que the Jeopardy music...... :p

[CockyTatGuy]

And pardon me while I go research the origins of the brawl. The State printed a chronological timeline of events in an article immediately after both schools released all of the film they used to review the matter.

Which to believe, which to believe, on one side I have my own eyes that I have used personally for years. The other side we have a website/newspaper with an obvious Moo U slant. True we were at the bottom of the hill when your boys came out and polished their rocks, it might have been wrong but we didn't interfere with it. The brawl in the 4th was started by a Clem-Tech player doing what he does best, act like a redneck. I really loved the lame excuse for it though, you know the one with Tammy saying his boys was watching the Pistons game the night before, that was an official cop-out of the highest magnitude.

[GTmorris1970]

Well, fortunately for ya'll it does cost money now, $2.95 to be exact. If you're truely interested in knowing how the brawl itself started (nothing to do with pre-game festivities, but the end of the play only), the article is entitled "Tale of the Tape". It was published in the 7 December, 2004 edition of The State.

.....And no, Bobby Williamson is not the instigator with a punch to Syvelle Newton's head. If I'm not mistaken, Chris White's role is also reactionary.

Now will this be a thread killer or will Gamecocks be interested in learning the truth ? ....Que the Jeopardy music...... :p

The truth of the matter to me is that it was ALL stupid. From before the beginning of the game until the very end. Both teams are equally at fault. Both started it, and either could have ended it. Carolina took immediate action on it, and for that I am proud. I simply hated to see Lou's tenure end that way.

[cocky4ever]

The truth of the matter to me is that it was ALL stupid. From before the beginning of the game until the very end. Both teams are equally at fault. Both started it, and either could have ended it. Carolina took immediate action on it, and for that I am proud. I simply hated to see Lou's tenure end that way.
Exactly. Most Gamecocks seem to have that attitude about the whole thing. Most chumpson fans seem to try say its all our fault.

[SamuraiTater]

Hmmm, lets see, you spin your wheels in a thread dedicated to pinning blame for the brawl on Clemson and when the opportunity to learn what really happened knocks at your door, you conveniently stick your head in the sand. How telling.

It's not Moo-U slant, Tat. It's factual film evidence. It's what your coaching staff determined happened. And if The State were as biased as you say, then where were their loyalties last Sunday when they exploded that bombshell on the front page....just three days before national signing day? .....Uh-huh, that's what I thought. :rolleyes:

And unless you were at the game, you could not have possibly seen any of it with your own eyes. Apparently you have little desire to know what happened.

.....But me thinks you really do. Just between you and me, I think you paid the 3 bucks and are just unwilling to report what you read. Oh, the horror !!! :eek:

[Neo]

http://mcdb.colorado.edu/courses/3280/images/sleep/tantrum.gif

[SamuraiTater]

Oh Puleeeeaze ! :rolleyes: Ya'll whine and cry about the brawl, blaming it on those uncooth redneck hillbillies from the upstate, then when one offers evidence to prove otherwise all you can respond with is that ??? I'll take it as a concession. :p

[drkralc]

Sam, I've seen the film and heard the accounts. From my perspective I believe that SC A&T hasn't owned up to anything except getting riled up over a BBall game on TV (those are some avid Pacers fans). There must have been some blame on A&T's part otherwise they wouldn't have six players picking which game they want to sit out. Above that sharing responsibility is extremely difficult when only one party takes it. Bottom line: both teams were to blame only one team took steps to ensure it doesn't happen again.

[SamuraiTater]

I'll agree that both teams were at fault. I do however take exception to the ridiculous notion that this sort of thing is acceptable at CU. It's complete hogwash, but it seems to be the prevailing theme from Gamecock fans.

I thought about posting the article back when it was published, but it was such an ugly scene and an embarrassment for both schools, I figured it would be better to just let the issue die a natural death, rather than post the facts of the case and stir things up all over again.

Note that I did not open the topic here, I merely offered evidence to refute the familiar chant that those thugs from Pickens county started it all.

"Nobody expects better behavior from the Tiggers." "Who's really to blame? I'd say the Clemson player that took a shot at Newton's head while being held down by a Tigger after the play was over." - Cockrocker

"They expect Clemson to do that kinda crap, that's why noone is condemming them for their part." - DeLoreanfan1

"The brawl in the 4th was started by a Clem-Tech player doing what he does best, act like a redneck." - CockyTatGuy

Now if someone said this sort of thing about USC and you knew of indisputable evidence to prove it actually happened the other way around, wouldn't you at least offer to turn the light on for them ?

I won't deny that Bobby Williamson did in fact strike Syvelle Newton in the helmet. However, that just happens to be when the TV camera picked up the altercation. It is by no means the beginning of the after-the-play activities. Both coaching staffs collaborated and used all video angles they had to come up with a timeline of who did what and when. We the fans, saw only one angle, the one Jefferson Pilot Sports broadcast.

I expect this will again be met with sarcasm. I suppose it's the only way for some to save face.

[Neo]

The problem I have is the fact of Coach Bowden not accepting any blame in this fiasco. Both sides were at fault. What does Coach Bowden do? Blames it on watching some stupid NBA game. Grow up and get some testicular fortitude. Bowden is just as much to blame if not more.

Now I don't read "The State" newspaper because in my entire life, I have never read a media that was so dead-set determined to assassinate the state university. I cannot remember the last time something positive was printed. Can you? Now I wouldn't call it a "Moo-U" slant, but I would say that they go out of their way to trounce USC whenever the opportunity is there. As for your "signing day" surprise, you can hardly use that as a reference. USC has been getting that treatment for years. When your feeling the brunt, it hurts doesn't it? Well, when Clemson gets slammed half as much as USC, then you would have earned the right to complain.

You claimed and I quote:
It's not Moo-U slant, Tat. It's factual film evidence. It's what your coaching staff determined happened.

Film evidence cannot be factual in every instance. It's all about angle and perspective and interpretation. Even you said that earlier in this thread.


What it boils down to is USC has received a hell of a lot more flack from this brawl then Clemson and they were definitely a contributing party. I remember Coach Holtz getting up there publicly and accepting responsibility. Did Coach Bowden? I didn't think so. Oh yeah, one last thing...

Who was the idiot that decided that he/she was going to let the players decide what game they were going to be suspended for? What a joke! Some discipline huh? That's nothing more than a rubber stamp for punishment.

BTW: This is my 5,000th post. Whoa!

[drkralc]

Orange and purple colored glasses... Wow the sky is so BLUUUUEEE!!!!

The actions on the field are a disgrace to both teams and reflect extremely badly on the state of South Carolina. Fortunately for A&T the association with South Carolina is extremely obscured (by an act of the state legislature I think). The feelings of USC fans is that there is enough blame to go around and A&T has not accepted thier share. After the levying of punishments it went beyond the placing of blame and shifted to the acceptance of blame (Bowden did one but not the other). The schools took the bowls and the conferences took a game; that should've been enough but all I hear from A&T is "that's not where (or why) it started" or "It wasn't us".
I must admit though, that after the thefts USC lost an incredible amount of credibility, yet it's questionable whether A&T had any to begin with (citing the brawl at the 2004 Peach Bowl). That fourth quarter on Nov. 20th smeared the names of both schools (one harmed, one not). Debate is only futile now and no longer serves any purpose. It's long past the time to get over the pettiness and immaturity of "wasn't me, he did it!!" and cross the bridge to "Yep, I did that and paid for it...".

ps. not peace-making, just sick and tired of hearing about it!!!!

[SamuraiTater]

Film evidence cannot be factual in every instance. It's all about angle and perspective and interpretation. Even you said that earlier in this thread.

There's where you're wrong. The film evidence is not about interpretation. (And even if it were, it was Lou Holtz and Mike McGee who interpreted it) When you have the scene from multiple angles and continually rolling (not cut away from at various moments like the TV broadcast) the film evidence your coaching staff used does not lie. It's not speculative at all.

Say what you will about how Bowden or CU handled it. You don't like him / them and of course that is all opinioted. My point is simply that ya'll were making the usual big time effort to pin the blame for the brawl on Clemson, saying those redneck thugs started it. Then when I offer evidence to prove otherwise, you try to spin out of it calling it opinionated bias from a slanted media source. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Face it, your team is no less thuggish than the one you despise.....and in this case, more so. I know it's uncomfortable with the shoe on the other foot but hey, it fits. Thats' not conjecture, it's just plain, hard fact.

[Neo]

Face it, your team is no less thuggish than the one you despise.....


Well, we're not the ones getting into brawls everywhere. :cool:

Does the Peach Bowl against Tennessee ring a bell? :rolleyes: What about the incident against Florida State? I assume they started it too huh? :rolleyes:


One incident....Coincidence
Two incidents.....Strange
Three incidents......Evidence

[SamuraiTater]

Now you want to talk about Peach Bowls and FSU ? :rolleyes:

I didn't start the discussion about the brawl. I didn't even weigh in on it until a few of you decided to unjustly saddle Clemson players with the blame for what your team started. If you're unwilling to face the music, it's all the same to me.

[Neo]

Now you want to talk about Peach Bowls and FSU ? :rolleyes:

I didn't start the discussion about the brawl. I didn't even weigh in on it until a few of you decided to unjustly saddle Clemson players with the blame for what your team started. If you're unwilling to face the music, it's all the same to me.

Yeah..here we go again. What USC started, what USC did. Don't accept any blame whatsoever. :rolleyes:

You wanna talk about facts, well facts do show that trouble follows trouble. The Clemson football team has been involved in three (3) physical altercations in less than two (2) years. What does that tell you? To an outsider looking in, it would appear that someone has a problem controlling their players or he condones it. Like I said, Coach Tommy Bowden needs to get some testicular fortitude and do something about it.

BTW: How many times other than this incident has USC been involved in a physical altercation with another team?

[GTmorris1970]

There's where you're wrong. The film evidence is not about interpretation. (And even if it were, it was Lou Holtz and Mike McGee who interpreted it) When you have the scene from multiple angles and continually rolling (not cut away from at various moments like the TV broadcast) the film evidence your coaching staff used does not lie. It's not speculative at all.

Say what you will about how Bowden or CU handled it. You don't like him / them and of course that is all opinioted. My point is simply that ya'll were making the usual big time effort to pin the blame for the brawl on Clemson, saying those redneck thugs started it. Then when I offer evidence to prove otherwise, you try to spin out of it calling it opinionated bias from a slanted media source. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Face it, your team is no less thuggish than the one you despise.....and in this case, more so. I know it's uncomfortable with the shoe on the other foot but hey, it fits. Thats' not conjecture, it's just plain, hard fact.

Not every Carolina fan is saying it is Clemson's fault. If you read my posts on the matter, I have said over and over it was ALL stupid. I do agree with Del. When I saw Bowden on ESPN, saying they had watched a basketball game the night before, then pitched a fit when his boss said they were not going to a bowl game, is a shame IMO. Now, what our players did when they were told they would not be attending a bowl game is no better, and if you have been keeping up with the news, have had charges placed against them, and Spurrier, who was not even here, has already said a couple of them would be "booted". That is how that should be handled. :)

[SamuraiTater]

GT, I 'm not contesting the way things were handled. I think Bowden could have done a much better job as well. I simply take exception to my team being railed as hillbilly thugs who started the whole event.

I suppose I could put the 3 dollars on my credit card and get the archived information all over again, but I'm sure it would not allow for hyper-links. And if I cut and pasted, no doubt there would be those who would still insist it was somehow non-factual. :rolleyes:

At the risk of being assailed by those who choose not to take a hard look inside, here is what I recall from memory:

The altercation starts with Gaines Adams standing over Syvelle Newton as the pass falls incomplete. After the play is blown dead, Jebari Levi gives him a shove. Charles Bennet and Donnel Clark react by shoving Levi. Then near simultaneoulsly Chris White, shoves Bobby Williamson across the pile and Wiliamson appears to strike Newton with a left hand to the helmet.

......And that's where Jefferson Pilot picks it up.

Think about it, the coaches have film shot from the press boxes and endzones. They have wide angle views which run uninterupted. There was much more to be reviewed than just the close-up, grainy view of Bobby Williamson's lower torso that JP Sports aired.

[SamuraiTater]

You wanna talk about facts, well facts do show that trouble follows trouble.

Not that this logic amounts to anything in the realm of "who started it", but think before you post..... .....recall any incidents in Marlboro county lately ?

[GTmorris1970]

GT, I 'm not contesting the way things were handled. I think Bowden could have done a much better job as well. I simply take exception to my team being railed as hillbilly thugs who started the whole event.

I suppose I could put the 3 dollars on my credit card and get the archived information all over again, but I'm sure it would not allow for hyper-links. And if I cut and pasted, no doubt there would be those who would still insist it was somehow non-factual. :rolleyes:

At the risk of being assailed by those who choose not to take a hard look inside, here is what I recall from memory:

The altercation starts with Gaines Adams standing over Syvelle Newton as the pass falls incomplete. After the play is blown dead, Jebari Levi gives him a shove. Charles Bennet and Donnel Clark react by shoving Levi. Then near simultaneoulsly Chris White, shoves Bobby Williamson across the pile and Wiliamson appears to strike Newton with a left hand to the helmet.

......And that's where Jefferson Pilot picks it up.

Think about it, the coaches have film shot from the press boxes and endzones. They have wide angle views which run uninterupted. There was much more to be reviewed than just the close-up, grainy view of Bobby Williamson's lower torso that JP Sports aired.

There again my friend, I am not doubting your "facts". I personally have no idea who started what. I have not said Clemson is a bunch of thugs. IT WAS ALL STUPID. That is my official stance. It all needs to be handled, on both sides. If you were involved, you should be punished, regardless of what helmet you are wearing. There is no place for that in college sports. PERIOD. Someone could have been very seriously injured from all of that. I can tell you two things I noticed. Players from both teams throwing haymakers. A Clemson player throwing a Carolina helmet in the stands, with CLEMSON fans looking on in disgust. What happened to that young man? I saw players from BOTH teams threatening opposing playes with helmets. Criminal charges could have, and in my opinion, should have been filed on those players. That is my point, and stance on the whole thing. It was purely a disgrace on both sides. With the score what it was, I wish they had called the game. And, from things I have been hearing since Lou departed, and I love him to death, but I am starting to wonder how much control he had over his own team his last couple of years. :)

[Neo]

There again my friend, I am not doubting your "facts". I personally have no idea who started what. I have not said Clemson is a bunch of thugs. IT WAS ALL STUPID. That is my official stance. It all needs to be handled, on both sides. If you were involved, you should be punished, regardless of what helmet you are wearing. There is no place for that in college sports. PERIOD. Someone could have been very seriously injured from all of that. I can tell you two things I noticed. Players from both teams throwing haymakers. A Clemson player throwing a Carolina helmet in the stands, with CLEMSON fans looking on in disgust. What happened to that young man? I saw players from BOTH teams threatening opposing playes with helmets. Criminal charges could have, and in my opinion, should have been filed on those players. That is my point, and stance on the whole thing. It was purely a disgrace on both sides. With the score what it was, I wish they had called the game. And, from things I have been hearing since Lou departed, and I love him to death, but I am starting to wonder how much control he had over his own team his last couple of years. :)

Bingo!!!!!


The altercation starts with Gaines Adams standing over Syvelle Newton as the pass falls incomplete.

I would have loved to hear what was being said while he was supposedly standing over him like that. :rolleyes:

[SamuraiTater]

There again my friend, I am not doubting your "facts". I personally have no idea who started what. I have not said Clemson is a bunch of thugs. IT WAS ALL STUPID. That is my official stance. It all needs to be handled, on both sides. If you were involved, you should be punished, regardless of what helmet you are wearing. There is no place for that in college sports. PERIOD. Someone could have been very seriously injured from all of that. I can tell you two things I noticed. Players from both teams throwing haymakers. A Clemson player throwing a Carolina helmet in the stands, with CLEMSON fans looking on in disgust. What happened to that young man? I saw players from BOTH teams threatening opposing playes with helmets. Criminal charges could have, and in my opinion, should have been filed on those players. That is my point, and stance on the whole thing. It was purely a disgrace on both sides. With the score what it was, I wish they had called the game. And, from things I have been hearing since Lou departed, and I love him to death, but I am starting to wonder how much control he had over his own team his last couple of years. :)

I could not agree more. I watched the game here in my home with my son (A hard core Gamecock fan) and I was appalled. The sight of players chasing after other players in a mob scene was horrifying. I personally thought Yusef Kelly should have been kicked out of school.

Clemson fans, players, alumni. etc always get villified by those in Columbia as backward, immoral and thuggish. In reality, they are probably no better or worse than any in the inner city. For weeks after the brawl we heard the rantings of Carolina supporters that those rednecks up there started it all, then when evidence to the contrary was revealed..........well I just decided to let sleeping dogs lie for the time.

.....Again, I didn't start the fire here. I'm just holding their feet to it. ;)

I hope you know my caustic comments were not aimed at you. I always enjoy your well thought out and insightful post. :)

[GTmorris1970]

I could not agree more. I watched the game here in my home with my son (A hard core Gamecock fan) and I was appalled. The sight of players chasing after other players in a mob scene was horrifying. I personally thought Yusef Kelly should have been kicked out of school.

Clemson fans, players, alumni. etc always get villified by those in Columbia as backward, immoral and thuggish. In reality, they are probably no better or worse than any in the inner city. For weeks after the brawl we heard the rantings of Carolina supporters that those rednecks up there started it all, then when evidence to the contrary was revealed..........well I just decided to let sleeping dogs lie for the time.

.....Again, I didn't start the fire here. I'm just holding their feet to it. ;)

I hope you know my caustic comments were not aimed at you. I always enjoy your well thought out and insightful post. :)

Not at all, and no problem. There again, I USED to go on thestate.com message boards. I know what you are talking about. I am simply saying I didn't blame it on either side. They were BOTH wrong, thuggish, and stupid. I appreciate your comment about Yusef Kelly. I feel the same way. There are also a couple of Carolina players, IMO, that should have been booted. Well, a couple of them might be. They came back home, and still could not act like decent members of society. I don't care who you root for, some of their faithful cannot act like adults. Let me ask you this? What does it matter who started it? SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE ENDED IT!! :)

[Neo]

What does it matter who started it? SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE ENDED IT!! :)

That's what I'm talking about. I'm so sick of hearing he did this, he did that. I've heard better excuses from bail jumpers that I've busted than what I've heard on this issue. :D

[GTmorris1970]

That's what I'm talking about. I'm so sick of hearing he did this, he did that. I've heard better excuses from bail jumpers that I've busted than what I've heard on this issue. :D

Amen, from BOTH sides!! :)

[GTmorris1970]

One other thing Samurai. I, as my name here implies, am also a Georgia Tech fan, being originally from Atlanta. I have been to several Tech-Clemson games over the years, which are always exciting BTW. I have had some bad experiences with Clemson fans, but the same can probably be said about Tech fans. Same can be said with some Carolina fans. No matter where you go, there are good and bad fans. Some of us are just here for the love of football, no matter who you support. From my few games at WB, MOST of the Carolina fans are great. But there are bad apples in every buch.

[SPURED]

that kid should have never stepped foot onto williams brice. just shows the kind of players Lou allowed into our program. i know if i was a coach and saw what he did in the playoffs there is no way i would allow him to step foot on the football field no matter how good he was! matter of fact i dont remember what the guys name was, do you remember tater?

[CockyTatGuy]

I have had some bad experiences with Clemson fans, but the same can probably be said about Tech fans.

As much as it pains me I have to say that during the UGA/USC game this year I have never been more proud to live near ClemTech. There were these Gawgia fans up above us about 3 rows and they were just being obnoxius(sp?) it was really starting to grate on my nerves bad. Then one of em tells his buddy "ya know we would never be able to be over in this part of the stadium ragging on the home team if we were in Death Valley, they would have us killed by now."

[Djshockley3]

Their are bad fans everywhere you just got to find the good ones.

[SamuraiTater]

I've never been to Sanford stadium but I've heard many complaints from others who've visited, mostly about UGA's fans hurling objects as they left.

I'm sure Clemson has their share of jerks who make bad impressions, but then again, who doesn't ? I was there the last time Carolina beat us in Death Valley and witnessed a couple of different groups of younger Carolina fans (presumably students) carousing about the parking area west of the stadium. Their objective was clearly to seek out anyone in orange who they might be able to engage in fisticuffs. :(

Quite often it's hard to do in a heated rivalry, but we must always remember that these small sects of fans do not represent the greater body as a whole.

[Djshockley3]

I've never been to Sanford stadium but I've heard many complaints from others who've visited, mostly about UGA's fans hurling objects as they left.

I'm sure Clemson has their share of jerks who make bad impressions, but then again, who doesn't ? I was there the last time Carolina beat us in Death Valley and witnessed a couple of different groups of younger Carolina fans (presumably students) carousing about the parking area west of the stadium. Their objective was clearly to seek out anyone in orange who they might be able to engage in fisticuffs. :(

Quite often it's hard to do in a heated rivalry, but we must always remember that these small sects of fans do not represent the greater body as a whole.

Yeah you are right,don't look at the fans that are bad,look at the good. :)