View Full Version : Street agents article....investigations underway
GatorNation
01-15-2005, 11:00 PM
Street agents (http://www.sun-sentinal.com/sports/sfl-agents15jan15,0,3960913.story?doll=sfla-sports-headlines)
....and time will tell.
Street agents (http://www.sun-sentinal.com/sports/sfl-agents15jan15,0,3960913.story?doll=sfla-sports-headlines)
....and time will tell.
It's starting...... :)
cocky4ever
01-15-2005, 11:09 PM
It's starting...... :)
Sounds like this could be a pretty big problem for college football.
Sounds like this could be a pretty big problem for college football.
So far there are only a few schools that are *rumored* to be implicated. :)
cocky4ever
01-15-2005, 11:17 PM
So far there are only a few schools that are *rumored* to be implicated. :)
That's good. Hopefully they can crack down on this practice before the problem gets worse.
carolinavol
01-15-2005, 11:59 PM
That's good. Hopefully they can crack down on this practice before the problem gets worse.
From what Ive seen, I don't think any fan of College Football can have anything good to say about 'streetagents', or 'mentors' (gag), or whatever...actually, lets just refer to them as what they really are, pathetic leaches who can't do anything for themselves, so they latch onto the dreams and talents of some 18 year old kid, possibly and unknowing to the kid, could cost eligibility that would bring a college scholarship. I really think the NCAA should go after this 'steetagent' practice, but more importantly, I think that state legislatures should take a look to see if they could criminalize some of this stuff. Their is nothing remotely admirable about calling yourself a 'mentor', yet only mentoring those you know would bring you a big payday one day, that is called being a scumbag. This problem, from what I have seen, is widespread in S. Florida, with whole lot of this stuff flying around. Further, I've also seen that this problem is much more entrenched and much worse in Basketball, than in football. I really wish the NCAA could ban this practice, but I am educated in Government, and understand a little on how to write up laws, and I cannot for the life of me think of an effective way for the NCAA to ban the practice with rules that arent already in place, that would not be FAR FAR too overreaching to affect those who truly are some type of mentor, etc. to an athlete.
Please note, that we are talking about the article, which has absolutely nothing to do with the University of Tennessee, or Phillip Fulmer, or anyone related to the two, simply because, were UT, and we don't need streetagents. :cool: So any inference that this article has anything to do with UT is simply a false one, because no connection is found in that article, and if you know how to really do your homework, you can find a webposting by the editor of this paper that stated anything related to UT was "unfit to print", and "nothing but rumors and innuendo". The story is accurate however, from what I have seen documented and proven under several CREDIBLE JOURNALISTIC sources, ie Miami Herald, etc. S. Florida has a really bad problem of many many of these leaches flying around, so, I damn sure hope the NCAA finds a way to stop these idiots. It would have been nice if the University of Miami would have begun to complain when this first became a problem, rather than when they were not able to benefit from this problem.
ON Edit: I did think of this possible sanction that could be a criminal law, that "any person, not specifically related to a 'recruit', who, through his or her actions, directly or indirectly, costs a recruit amateur status that results in the loss of opportunity to receive a scholarship, or in any action that could have resulted in the loss of amateur status, against the athletes explicit knowlege of, approval for, and public acknowlegement of a loss of amateur status, while in an attempt to gain profit, or any other item of tangible value, should basically be locked up until the recruit gets finished with his or her education, and then fined at least 100,000$, half of which is to fund the education of the recruit of lost the eligibility." Now this would stop a lot of these streetagents so long as it gets the correct enforcement. Also notice, directly or indirectly could nail any booster, OR COACH, who knowingly conspires w/ some sort of streetagent in an illegal scheme.
OrangeCrush
01-16-2005, 12:14 AM
From what Ive seen, I don't think any fan of College Football can have anything good to say about 'streetagents', or 'mentors' (gag), or whatever...actually, lets just refer to them as what they really are, pathetic leaches who can't do anything for themselves, so they latch onto the dreams and talents of some 18 year old kid, possibly and unknowing to the kid, could cost eligibility that would bring a college scholarship. I really think the NCAA should go after this 'steetagent' practice, but more importantly, I think that state legislatures should take a look to see if they could criminalize some of this stuff. Their is nothing remotely admirable about calling yourself a 'mentor', yet only mentoring those you know would bring you a big payday one day, that is called being a scumbag. This problem, from what I have seen, is widespread in S. Florida, with whole lot of this stuff flying around. Further, I've also seen that this problem is much more entrenched and much worse in Basketball, than in football. I really wish the NCAA could ban this practice, but I am educated in Government, and understand a little on how to write up laws, and I cannot for the life of me think of an effective way for the NCAA to ban the practice with rules that arent already in place, that would not be FAR FAR too overreaching to affect those who truly are some type of mentor, etc. to an athlete.
Please note, that we are talking about the article, which has absolutely nothing to do with the University of Tennessee, or Phillip Fulmer, or anyone related to the two, simply because, were UT, and we don't need streetagents. :cool: So any inference that this article has anything to do with UT is simply a false one, because no connection is found in that article, and if you know how to really do your homework, you can find a webposting by the editor of this paper that stated anything related to UT was "unfit to print", and "nothing but rumors and innuendo". The story is accurate however, from what I have seen documented and proven under several CREDIBLE JOURNALISTIC sources, ie Miami Herald, etc. S. Florida has a really bad problem of many many of these leaches flying around, so, I damn sure hope the NCAA finds a way to stop these idiots. It would have been nice if the University of Miami would have begun to complain when this first became a problem, rather than when they were not able to benefit from this problem.
Well put Carolina Vol. If there is scum(street agents), then lets expose the problem and find a way to deal with it. Nobody needs the Tank Blacks of the world around football recruits. The thing is, for those that do act above the belt, then more power to you. I have not seen enough information to label anyone as good or bad yet.
CrimsonTide42
01-16-2005, 07:51 AM
Well put Carolina Vol. If there is scum(street agents), then lets expose the problem and find a way to deal with it. Nobody needs the Tank Blacks of the world around football recruits. The thing is, for those that do act above the belt, then more power to you. I have not seen enough information to label anyone as good or bad yet.
Dream on !!!!
Please note, that we are talking about the article, which has absolutely nothing to do with the University of Tennessee, or Phillip Fulmer, or anyone related to the two, simply because, were UT, and we don't need streetagents. :cool:
That's why I'm going to laugh soooo hard when all of this comes out and/if UT is implicated. That statement is arrogance at it's purest form. Have you bothered to think that maybe that's why yall have had Top-5 recruiting classes? :confused:
fernandomike
01-16-2005, 09:12 AM
yadda, yadda, yadda.
DAdvocate
01-16-2005, 09:38 AM
I would almost bet money that when the AFCA gets this "Qualified" group to study this problem, Fulmer will be on the committee or maybe even be the head of it.
I am implying nothing, just an opinion.
I would almost bet money that when the AFCA gets this "Qualified" group to study this problem, Fulmer will be on the committee or maybe even be the head of it.
I am implying nothing, just an opinion.
Yeah...That's like having a judge preside over a murder case where his daughter is the defendant. :D
OrangeCrush
01-16-2005, 11:03 AM
That's why I'm going to laugh soooo hard when all of this comes out and/if UT is implicated. That statement is arrogance at it's purest form. Have you bothered to think that maybe that's why yall have had Top-5 recruiting classes? :confused:
You should not be getting your hopes up DeLo. I know you and quite a few others are waiting for the Volnation to go down and go down hard. Tennessee has had top 5 classes before without any kids from S.Fla where this street agent thing is such a concern. This smells of jealousy at it's purest form. It figures a gamecock fan who has watched his team lose to the Vols in football so many years would be waiting with tempered execitement for the fall of the Vols and CPF. Join the bammers who believe in the conspiracy theory and enjoy the kool-aid. Keep your belief that the Vols will fall as it will certainly help cushion the blow of losing another football game to Phil Fulmer. Thanks for playing, good luck in recruiting, and may the best football team win in 2005. I know the Vols will be the victors and that my friend is arrogance at its purest form. It is also a true statement. :D
You should not be getting your hopes up DeLo. I know you and quite a few others are waiting for the Volnation to go down and go down hard. Tennessee has had top 5 classes before without any kids from S.Fla where this street agent thing is such a concern. This smells of jealousy at it's purest form. It figures a gamecock fan who has watched his team lose to the Vols in football so many years would be waiting with tempered execitement for the fall of the Vols and CPF. Join the bammers who believe in the conspiracy theory and enjoy the kool-aid. Keep your belief that the Vols will fall as it will certainly help cushion the blow of losing another football game to Phil Fulmer. Thanks for playing, good luck in recruiting, and may the best football team win in 2005. I know the Vols will be the victors and that my friend is arrogance at its purest form. It is also a true statement. :D
Obviously you have had a case of memory loss. Doesn't Spurrier OWN Fulmer? :D
You also are trying to make this personal. I just have a great disdain for arrogance.
JBryant12
01-16-2005, 11:43 AM
Now you are stereotypin that all Gamecock fans think the Vols are corrupt and thats being just plain ignorant. South Carolina almost always play Tennesee close so its not like your guaranteed a win especially with Spurrier at head coach
Now you are stereotypin that all Gamecock fans think the Vols are corrupt and thats being just plain ignorant. South Carolina almost always play Tennesee close so its not like your guaranteed a win especially with Spurrier at head coach
Thank you JB....
A voice of reason. :D
fernandomike
01-16-2005, 11:54 AM
As for recent history, I think fulmer/spurrier are 2-2 in the last four games with all of them being very close. I am not sure though.
OrangeCrush
01-16-2005, 12:00 PM
Well DeLo, you are the one who attacked Carolina Vol as putting forth an arrogant statement. Since I agreed with him, I'm sure you have labeled me as arrogant as well. You are also waiting to laugh so hard when/if UT is implicated. Am I missing somewhere here? There is nothing wrong with dislike of the Vols. We are SEC East rivals. The goal is to win the ballgame. There is no rule that you have to like the Vols or what they do or how they do it. While I have no agenda against your Gamecocks, I do hope they lose everytime the Vols are their opponenet. Just admit to your true colors. You must have selective memory. Doesn't Fulmer own USC? ;)
I have to leave now. If you want to continue this discussion :D , then it will have to be later. Have a good day and I hope all USC fans get good news on the recruiting front from this week's group of visitors.
GatorNation
01-16-2005, 12:01 PM
Obviously you have had a case of memory loss. Doesn't Spurrier OWN Fulmer? :D
Why yes.....yes he does. =)
http://www246.pair.com/autoybkh/albums/funnies_/scores.jpg
fernandomike
01-16-2005, 12:09 PM
Thank you, Gator. I think that the last 5-6 years show a tough, hard-fought rivalry, not ownership. Though, I would not argue with such a claim in the years before that.
Also, the 2004 score is missing from your post.
JBryant12
01-16-2005, 12:10 PM
Spurrier wasnt coaching then...
Spurrier wasnt coaching then...
That's correct. Spurrier left in 2001. So...that means they were playing against the "Zooker". :D
fernandomike
01-16-2005, 12:15 PM
Yes that is correct. Between 98-02, I believe he was and those games were close with the Vols winning half. I meantioned 5-6 years partly as a response to Gatornation list. Neither Spurrier or the Gators have dominated recently in this series. I think the record bears this out. Though he did dominate prior to that.
fernandomike
01-16-2005, 12:17 PM
Oops 98-01.
Yes that is correct. Between 98-02, I believe he was and those games were close with the Vols winning half. I meantioned 5-6 years partly as a response to Gatornation list. Neither Spurrier or the Gators have dominated recently in this series. I think the record bears this out. Though he did dominate prior to that.
Spurrier left Florida in 2001 not 2002.
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_year_by_year.php?coachid=2206
carolinavol
01-16-2005, 01:12 PM
Wow, looks I got Del a little upset at my arrogance. Thats not arrogance Del, arrogance would be me explaining that we are gonna lay 50 on ole Spurrier come his trip up to Neyland, so no, not arrogance. It's simply the truth, why in the world would UT need a 'streetagent' for one recruit. A MNC in 98, several trips to the SECCG over the last 10 years, second, read that again 2nd all time in putting players into the NFL, we have the most stable coaching staff in College football (with a couple of exceptions), and Knoxville is not a bad place to live for four years (i did for five, and still didn't get tired of it). Now add ALL OF THAT UP, put it together with the fact that several of the teams our recruits were looking at all had coaching changes (LSU, UF, Ole Miss), we laid the wood on Texas aTm on what seemed to me as a Nationally Televised UT infomercial, we have an extremely talented and very young team, yet we have specific needs in certain areas that will allow for early PT for these kids, as well as the fact we have proven we will play freshman, See Heffney, Fellows (redshirts), Ainge, Shaeffer. So after all of these, you are a recruit who could go anywhere, you want the shortest distance to the NFL you can find, you need to play early, at a top program with a lot of exposure. Now thinking of it that way, why does UT need a streetagent again? The notion that it is arrogant to claim my school doesn't need streetagent's to recruit is offensive, good thing Im not easily offended.
Wow, looks I got Del a little upset at my arrogance. Thats not arrogance Del, arrogance would be me explaining that we are gonna lay 50 on ole Spurrier come his trip up to Neyland, so no, not arrogance. It's simply the truth, why in the world would UT need a 'streetagent' for one recruit. A MNC in 98, several trips to the SECCG over the last 10 years, second, read that again 2nd all time in putting players into the NFL, we have the most stable coaching staff in College football (with a couple of exceptions), and Knoxville is not a bad place to live for four years (i did for five, and still didn't get tired of it). Now add ALL OF THAT UP, put it together with the fact that several of the teams our recruits were looking at all had coaching changes (LSU, UF, Ole Miss), we laid the wood on Texas aTm on what seemed to me as a Nationally Televised UT infomercial, we have an extremely talented and very young team, yet we have specific needs in certain areas that will allow for early PT for these kids, as well as the fact we have proven we will play freshman, See Heffney, Fellows (redshirts), Ainge, Shaeffer. So after all of these, you are a recruit who could go anywhere, you want the shortest distance to the NFL you can find, you need to play early, at a top program with a lot of exposure. Now thinking of it that way, why does UT need a streetagent again? The notion that it is arrogant to claim my school doesn't need streetagent's to recruit is offensive, good thing Im not easily offended.
I think we all knew what you were trying to say. :rolleyes:
carolinavol
01-16-2005, 01:29 PM
I think we all knew what you were trying to say. :rolleyes:
Well, in that case, don't throw the rock out there that claims something is arrogant when it clearly is not.
That being said, any response to how to stop the streetagent biz? I dont think the Gator who originally posted this wanted to see another 'why the world hates Phil Fulmer'.
GatorNation
01-17-2005, 10:46 AM
Thank you, Gator. I think that the last 5-6 years show a tough, hard-fought rivalry, not ownership. Though, I would not argue with such a claim in the years before that.
Also, the 2004 score is missing from your post.
Well, the 2004 matchup would, of course, go in the win column for the refs. ;) So, I don't count that one....
Djshockley3
01-17-2005, 11:36 AM
Really,the refs won 2004 for fat phil.
OrangeCrush
01-17-2005, 11:56 AM
If the Gators want the 2004 game and they deserve something after the refs botched that game, then the Vol faithfull wants the 2000(Gafney) game in Knoxville. You can blame a Vandy alum for the call in that one.
fernandomike
01-17-2005, 12:07 PM
You guys are missing the point. We can argue whether the refs cheated Florida in 04 or if the Jabar Gaffney catch that won it for Florida in 00 was really a catch. My point is that this has been a tough, bitter rivalry recently and that INCLUDES THE FINAL FOUR YEARS OF THE SPURRIER STAY. 2-2 with all of those being nail-biters. With all due respect, nothing in the more recent history suggests either Spurrier or Uf dominance over the Vols.
You guys are missing the point. We can argue whether the refs cheated Florida in 04 or if the Jabar Gaffney catch that won it for Florida in 00 was really a catch. My point is that this has been a tough, bitter rivalry recently and that INCLUDES THE FINAL FOUR YEARS OF THE SPURRIER STAY. 2-2 with all of those being nail-biters. With all due respect, nothing in the more recent history suggests either Spurrier or Uf dominance over the Vols.
With all due respect, you cannot pretend past history never happened. Overall, Spurrier has OWNED Fulmer and those are facts. The last few years were more competitive, but you cannot ignore the past just because you don't like it.
OrangeCrush
01-17-2005, 12:41 PM
There is no doubt that Spurrier was better than Fulmer in head to head competition. The record does not lie. I can only imagine how bad the Vol faithfull would be if the 2001 contest had not gone our way. That being said, it is time to add to the head to head record of Spurrier vs. Fulmer starting this fall. It should be fun to watch the two head coaches go against each other. While USC is expecting a push towards the top of college football, I am waiting for some visor tossing. :D
There is no doubt that Spurrier was better than Fulmer in head to head competition. The record does not lie. I can only imagine how bad the Vol faithfull would be if the 2001 contest had not gone our way. That being said, it is time to add to the head to head record of Spurrier vs. Fulmer starting this fall. It should be fun to watch the two head coaches go against each other. While USC is expecting a push towards the top of college football, I am waiting for some visor tossing. :D
Now that I agree with you on. There are going to be growing pains as usual and that visor is going to fly a number of times before everything is finalized. :D
volsboy05
01-17-2005, 12:52 PM
DeLoreanfan-- havent you already talked about this one time? i thought we got way past this point about "street agents".. is that all you can do is talk about tennessee and street agents? do you really hate them that much...? Tennessee doesnt need street agents and the Florida pics.. their no good..! and 19-14 at the "DAWGS HOME"..
go vols!
DeLoreanfan-- havent you already talked about this one time? i thought we got way past this point about "street agents".. is that all you can do is talk about tennessee and street agents? do you really hate them that much...? Tennessee doesnt need street agents and the Florida pics.. their no good..! and 19-14 at the "DAWGS HOME"..
go vols!
Why don't you read the previous post before opening your mouth. :mad: OrangeCrush and I aren't even talking about that! :eek:
UTslaw
01-17-2005, 02:49 PM
South Carolina has a losing record in college football, now that is a fact. Spurrier may have a winning record against Fulmer, but that was with UF's great talent. South Carolina is owned by the University of Tennessee.
Born-n-RaisedVol
01-17-2005, 02:58 PM
I want to bring up a point that I think is kind of interesting. There is no doubt that Spurrier was the best coach in the SEC before he left. He owned UT and Fulmer. Notice both of the italicized words are past tense. None of us know if Spurrier is still capable of doing what he did at Florida. He could come in and choke at USC. That's highly unlikely, but for all we know he may not be able to live up to the expectations put upon him coming into this next season. I'm not trying to say that Spurrier isn't good enough to make a championship team, but look at it this way, weren't good things expected from Holtz? Before anyone says it i'll say it now, Holtz did help the program, to an extent. Just thought I'd throw that into the mix and see how interesting I can make things :D .
cocky4ever
01-17-2005, 04:48 PM
I want to bring up a point that I think is kind of interesting. There is no doubt that Spurrier was the best coach in the SEC before he left. He owned UT and Fulmer. Notice both of the italicized words are past tense. None of us know if Spurrier is still capable of doing what he did at Florida. He could come in and choke at USC. That's highly unlikely, but for all we know he may not be able to live up to the expectations put upon him coming into this next season. I'm not trying to say that Spurrier isn't good enough to make a championship team, but look at it this way, weren't good things expected from Holtz? Before anyone says it i'll say it now, Holtz did help the program, to an extent. Just thought I'd throw that into the mix and see how interesting I can make things :D .
Anything at this point is just speculation, but since its the offeseason there is nothing else to do as far as football is concerned. I dont see Spurrier doing bad at SC but he could fail to live up to his expectations or he could succeed past his expectations. People also said he hated recruiting and wouldnt be able to get the talent at SC that he had at UF. The way things are looking we should land a top 25 and are currently one rank behind UF. He also already has more talent at SC than he had when he arrived at UF. I think Holtz' downfall was his failure to adapt to the new types of offenses and defenses. He played old fashioned football in a new fashioned conference, which can work, but must be at least somewhat adjusted. Whether or not Spurrier can adapt to the new styles remains to be seen. MY guess would be that he does.
I want to bring up a point that I think is kind of interesting. There is no doubt that Spurrier was the best coach in the SEC before he left. He owned UT and Fulmer. Notice both of the italicized words are past tense. None of us know if Spurrier is still capable of doing what he did at Florida. He could come in and choke at USC. That's highly unlikely, but for all we know he may not be able to live up to the expectations put upon him coming into this next season. I'm not trying to say that Spurrier isn't good enough to make a championship team, but look at it this way, weren't good things expected from Holtz? Before anyone says it i'll say it now, Holtz did help the program, to an extent. Just thought I'd throw that into the mix and see how interesting I can make things :D .
Comparing Holtz to Spurrier is just plain asinine!
For starters,
Holtz is a rebuilding coach. He has never been a good long term kinda coach. Spurrier on the other hand is an ego-maniac that never says die. He is the coach that would kick you in the face while you are laying on the ground bleeding.
The last time USC beat Tennessee, they (UT) fired their coach. Will they do that again? :D
Born-n-RaisedVol
01-17-2005, 05:08 PM
You both have very good points and I am not in the least bit expecting or hoping that Spurrier fails. Cocky, your right everything is speculation which is why I threw that comment in there. I'm looking forward to seeing some hard fought games between Spurrier and Fulmer, I just hope this time around we come out on top more than bottom. ;)
fernandomike
01-17-2005, 06:23 PM
Del,
Spurrier indeed once owned UT. I do not ignore this as you claim since in a previous post on this thread, I admit as much. There is no denying that. We look at more recent history to determine whether he still does. My determination that he no longer does is not based on one game, but on four. Look at the scores Del. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that the spurrier/fulmer matchup has evolved into one not of ownership, but of greatness. This post is sent, of course, with all due respect.
DAdvocate
01-17-2005, 07:13 PM
We look at more recent history to determine whether he still does.
No, You look at more recent history to determine that and to prop up your arguement. The rest of the civilized world still looks at the big picture.
No disrespect intended.
fernandomike
01-17-2005, 07:33 PM
I look at the big picture too. I have no problem admitting that Spurrier once owned Fulmer. I said that in two posts on this thread. More recent history suggests change. If I were to say that Tennessee owns Georgia, the Bulldogs would certainly point to recent history in retort. Since, I now look at the UGA game as one that I hope we win instead of one I know we will win, I do not think that I can legitimately make that claim. "Owns" is a present tense verb meaning that Spurrier's supposed ownership should be evident in the present. "Owned" is a past tense verb which suggested that Spurrier once owned Fulmer, but now there has been a change. Look at the record and see if you don't see a change.
Respectfully yours,
Fernandomike
I look at the big picture too. I have no problem admitting that Spurrier once owned Fulmer. I said that in two posts on this thread. More recent history suggests change. If I were to say that Tennessee owns Georgia, the Bulldogs would certainly point to recent history in retort. Since, I now look at the UGA game as one that I hope we win instead of one I know we will win, I do not think that I can legitimately make that claim. "Owns" is a present tense verb meaning that Spurrier's supposed ownership should be evident in the present. "Owned" is a past tense verb which suggested that Spurrier once owned Fulmer, but now there has been a change. Look at the record and see if you don't see a change.
Respectfully yours,
Fernandomike
Regardless of the score, a win is a win. How many times has Fulmer defeated Spurrier? I and the rest of the SEC world consider a 7-2 win ratio DOMINATING to say the least.
BTW: How many did games did Spurrier win in a row? 5?
fernandomike
01-17-2005, 08:18 PM
Yes, Del those 5 in a row were part of the time that I consider to be Spurrier's dominance over Fulmer. 4 years of non-dominance is a long time to still regard yourself as dominant over another. Perhaps, Marshall Faulk IS the most dominant back in football. He was for about 8 of the last 12 years or so. Just trying to look at the big picture. Jerry Rice IS also the most dominant receiver. He has been for 12 or so of the last 20 years. The fact that they are not now is certainly no reason to stop using the present tense.
OrangeCrush
01-17-2005, 08:22 PM
The real question is
How many games will Spurrier and USC win in a row against Phil and the Vols?
Psssst...I know the answer :D
Yes, Del those 5 in a row were part of the time that I consider to be Spurrier's dominance over Fulmer. 4 years of non-dominance is a long time to still regard yourself as dominant over another. Perhaps, Marshall Faulk IS the most dominant back in football. He was for about 8 of the last 12 years or so. Just trying to look at the big picture. Jerry Rice IS also the most dominant receiver. He has been for 12 or so of the last 20 years. The fact that they are not now is certainly no reason to stop using the present tense.
It's like the previous poster said. You are looking at a certain time span to prop up your argument. The rest of the world looks at the whole picture. :D
The real question is
How many games will Spurrier and USC win in a row against Phil and the Vols?
Psssst...I know the answer :D
Becareful for what you wish for.....you just may get it.
I seem to remember the last game in Knoxville very well. We scared the crap out of a so called "superior" VOL team. :rolleyes: It took them double overtime to beat us Cocks and that was with a Holtz's run first offense. If you think that it was rough playing Holtz, imagine playing someone that has the mental edge over you. He already knows that he's won 7 out of 9 against Fulmer. :D
OrangeCrush
01-17-2005, 09:06 PM
Becareful for what you wish for.....you just may get it.
I seem to remember the last game in Knoxville very well. We scared the crap out of a so called "superior" VOL team. :rolleyes: It took them double overtime to beat us Cocks and that was with a Holtz's run first offense. If you think that it was rough playing Holtz, imagine playing someone that has the mental edge over you. He already knows that he's won 7 out of 9 against Fulmer. :D
I seem to remember the last game in Columbia if you want to play that game. The Gamcocks had a problem stopping our offense and Steve does not coach D. I do not doubt that SOS will beat Fulmer while coach of the Gamecocks. I just do not see any streaks happening. Fulmer took 2001 from the Gators and lifted the hex on the Vols in regards to the Gators. I believe it also lifted the hex against Spurrier. We shall see starting this fall.
fernandomike
01-17-2005, 09:24 PM
Arguing with you is like arguing with my nephew. Goodnight son
Born-n-RaisedVol
01-17-2005, 09:57 PM
It's funny, this thread has gone completely off topic.
Has anyone heard any more on this investigation?
It's funny, this thread has gone completely off topic.
Has anyone heard any more on this investigation?
Nope...not since that article.
I seem to remember the last game in Columbia if you want to play that game. The Gamcocks had a problem stopping our offense and Steve does not coach D. I do not doubt that SOS will beat Fulmer while coach of the Gamecocks. I just do not see any streaks happening. Fulmer took 2001 from the Gators and lifted the hex on the Vols in regards to the Gators. I believe it also lifted the hex against Spurrier. We shall see starting this fall.
This past game in Columbia????
We were pummeling your azz until the end of the 3rd qtr. :D We kicked the snot out of Schaeffer, knocked the life outta Ainge a few times.
In all honesty, your defense cannot stay on the field 40 out of the 60 minutes in a game. Our offense failed to score on a regular basis and that's what hurt us.
ColonelKurtz
01-17-2005, 11:45 PM
Jeezus, what 4 posts to the topic of the thread and 5.5 pages of other stuff, lol! It beez that way sometimes....
Once again, the leviathan which is the NCAA only takes 8 years to address something. Tank Black, that's what they're now all hot to trot to deal with and if you're young or otherwise not up to speed on this, like the NCAA, it's an everyday occurance in AAU BB now.
Don't expect any of the lizard fans to address this anyway, for we ALL know that Mr. Black NEVER had ANYTHING AT ALL to do with any gates recruits...but I digress, for only Georgia was nailed with anything and nevermind that it was damned dubious and another classic example of the NCAA zapping somebody when SOMEBODY ELSE hollered foul. Fact is, UGA NEVER GOT A PLAYER or acted to recruit a kid as a result of Black or any other "mentor", the deal was that UGA was mentioned as where a kid wanted to go. Yea, that's NCAA justice for ya.
GatorNation
01-18-2005, 08:11 AM
This past game in Columbia????
We were pummeling your azz until the end of the 3rd qtr. :D We kicked the snot out of Schaeffer, knocked the life outta Ainge a few times.
In all honesty, your defense cannot stay on the field 40 out of the 60 minutes in a game. Our offense failed to score on a regular basis and that's what hurt us.
Del, why not use your "other" team (Nebraska) in your arguments against UT, instead of USC. You'll feel better. =)
Volnooga
01-18-2005, 08:36 AM
Yawn...
Coker complains to coaches association.
Trooper Taylor, UT's running back coach hasw been quoted as saying, "He's being outworked by in his own back yard and it isn't sitting well with him." This is my belief as well. I know for a fact if UT, or any other school for that matter, was indeed using street agents, they would have immediately stopped offering scholarships to the kids that were associated with the agent to save their butt. Fulmer and staff aren't scared of an investigation because they know they are legit. The only possible scenario where I see UT in trouble would be a payment by a rouge booster to a street agent. If this were true, then I really don't see how you could pin any of the blame on Fulmer and staff, it would be a fan that was playing dirty.
Next topic
Spurrior + Gators = ownage of UT in the 90's, just like the gators owned everyone else in the SEC
the new eqation starts with Spurrior + gamecocks = x (unknown variable)
I'm making an assumption that we all know basic algebra here but I will continue.
Since we can state with fact that Gamecock <> Gators, we also can also state that x <> Ownage of UT. What remains to be seen is whether or no Gamecocks > Gators or < Gators. Based soley on the recruiting of both teams at their perspective times it appears that Gamecocks < Gators of 90's therefore we can presume that x < ownage of UT.
This is all speculation of coarse, but hey keep that positive attitude! It's so nice to hear smack talk coming from a team that hasn't beat us in 12 years. No really, there is no reason to think that things aren't about to change big time for you cock fans, well, other that the BIG PICTURE that you wanted to look at in the UT vs UF arguement.
VOLMANN
01-18-2005, 08:38 AM
Now you have him there! Talk about owning someone :eek:
oregon_vol_fan
01-18-2005, 09:28 AM
Where is this article that everyone is talking about? I can't find it anywhere.
Volnooga
01-18-2005, 09:36 AM
First page of this thread is the only article on the matter so far, it mentions UT's name zero times.
Yawn...
This is all speculation of coarse, but hey keep that positive attitude! It's so nice to hear smack talk coming from a team that hasn't beat us in 12 years. No really, there is no reason to think that things aren't about to change big time for you cock fans, well, other that the BIG PICTURE that you wanted to look at in the UT vs UF arguement.
Well VOL,
Stick to football. It seems like that's the only sport that Tennessee can actually beat USC in. :D
Since we're talking about football, would anyone mind giving me the score of the 1998 Orange Bowl and the 2000 Fiesta Bowl? :D
OrangeCrush
01-18-2005, 11:26 AM
Well VOL,
Stick to football. It seems like that's the only sport that Tennessee can actually beat USC in. :D
Since we're talking about football, would anyone mind giving me the score of the 1998 Orange Bowl and the 2000 Fiesta Bowl? :D
Tennessee is 10-12 against USC in basketball in the last 22 contests. You were saying DeLo? Think before you type. It looks like Tennessee has beaten the Gamecocks.
I find it interesting that you have to bring in your second team to claim victories over the football Vols. That is fine. If USC was my first choice as football team, then I would have a back-up plan also ;)
Tennessee is 10-12 against USC in basketball in the last 22 contests. You were saying DeLo? Think before you type. It looks like Tennessee has beaten the Gamecocks.
I find it interesting that you have to bring in your second team to claim victories over the football Vols. That is fine. If USC was my first choice as football team, then I would have a back-up plan also ;)
You take everything I say so literally.
You were referring to UT OWNING USC in football right? I responded that you had better go by that because UT doesn't OWN USC in any other sport. :rolleyes:
Duh...
Volnooga
01-18-2005, 11:37 AM
But we are on a SEC football message board. Don't let that stop ya! Twist any stat you need to put USC up there with UT. :D
JBryant12
01-18-2005, 11:46 AM
UT and USC almost always play a close game so you can hardly call it owning
Tennessee is 10-12 against USC in basketball in the last 22 contests. You were saying DeLo? Think before you type. It looks like Tennessee has beaten the Gamecocks.
I am very eager to find out the source of this info?????
Volnooga
01-18-2005, 11:51 AM
no loss in the last decade + 2 years. Over all records is 19 - 2 - 2.
Could you define ownage please?
Volnooga
01-18-2005, 11:52 AM
I hear USC has one helluva Soccer team. I can see it now, come with me in time if you will to Sunday Oct 30, 2005 as the vols win again against the USC Gamecocks.
Well, it looks like 13 in a row Delk great game though, Spurrior had a pretty good game plan, just didn't have enough talent there at USC.
Yea well We've beat your Soccer team last week! So don't throw football in my face on the football board!
hehe, seriously Del, I'm an old football player who loved playing the game, loves watching the game, and loves talking about the game. So I came to an SEC football board and started posting.
I think my dad and I used to play horse a few times in the back yard as a child, that had zero to do with our current discussion.
OrangeCrush
01-18-2005, 12:56 PM
I am very eager to find out the source of this info?????
Well I found it at www.utsports.com Here is the breakdown
2004-05 USC 1 win
2003-04 USC 1 win UT 1 win
2002-03 USC 1 win UT 1 win
2001-02 USC 2 wins
2000-01 UT 2 wins
1999-00 USC 1 win UT 2 win(USC won SEC tourney game)
1998-99 UT 2 wins
1997-98 USC 1 win UT 1 win
1996-97 USC 2 wins
1995-96 USC 2 wins
1994-95 USC 1 win UT 1 win
That is 22 contests and USC holds the edge 12-10. It seems that the Vols can play basketball with the Gamecocks. There is a good chance it will be 12-11 after the game in Knoxville.
Well I found it at www.utsports.com Here is the breakdown
2004-05 USC 1 win
2003-04 USC 1 win UT 1 win
2002-03 USC 1 win UT 1 win
2001-02 USC 2 wins
2000-01 UT 2 wins
1999-00 USC 1 win UT 2 win(USC won SEC tourney game)
1998-99 UT 2 wins
1997-98 USC 1 win UT 1 win
1996-97 USC 2 wins
1995-96 USC 2 wins
1994-95 USC 1 win UT 1 win
That is 22 contests and USC holds the edge 12-10. It seems that the Vols can play basketball with the Gamecocks. There is a good chance it will be 12-11 after the game in Knoxville.
Puhleeze! :D
OrangeCrush
01-18-2005, 01:20 PM
Puhleeze! :D
So are you saying that UT cannot play basketball with USC? What about football was the only sport UT can win against your Gamecocks? I will be around any time you need me to straighten you out on the facts.
So are you saying that UT cannot play basketball with USC? What about football was the only sport UT can win against your Gamecocks? I will be around any time you need me to straighten you out on the facts.
Orange,
I never said they couldn't beat us. I said that football was the only sport that UT dominated us in.
OrangeCrush
01-18-2005, 01:30 PM
It seems like that's the only sport that Tennessee can actually beat USC in.
so when you say actually beat, you mean dominate? I just want to be clear on this before other discussions happen in the future. It would be a great mistake to misrepresent you and I do not want to be a part of that. In case anyone is curious, Delo is saying that Football is the only sport that the Vols dominate the Gamecocks in. ;)
The reason this thread has gone from street agenst to USC/UT smack is because there is no connection between UT and street agents.
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