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GatorNation
01-13-2005, 08:22 AM
New SEC coaches must win _ and in a major way
By BEN COOK
January 11, 2005

The Southeastern Conference has added three coaches since the close of the football season - Steve Spurrier for an encore performance and Urban Meyer and Les Miles for the first time. Replacing Lou Holtz, Ron Zook and Nick Saban with Spurrier, Meyer and Miles don't hurt the level of coaching in the SEC. In fact, on most scales it would be considered an upgrade.

Holtz' performance at South Carolina was good, but certainly not great. The Gamecocks never got to the heights expected when Holtz was hired. South Carolina never even cracked the Big Three (Florida, Georgia, Tennessee) in the SEC East.


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When you get right down to it, the Gamecock program seemed to be on a downward slide for the past couple of years. USC might actually have stuck with Holtz a year longer than it should have.

Spurrier is a definite upgrade, although how much magic Spurrier has left after his ego-bruising, mystique-busting time with the Washington Redskins remains to be seen. Spurrier won't have the resources available that he did at Florida, which means mostly a fertile home-state recruiting ground to harvest.

Even though Spurrier had to share the state with Miami, Florida State and a seemingly endless number of smaller Division 1-A programs, Florida usually produced great high school football players than oranges. At South Carolina, Spurrier will have to share the recruiting harvest with Clemson, a team that is leaps and bounds ahead of South Carolina when it comes to football tradition.

The interesting thing to watch will be the Spurrier fear factor. When he was at Florida, coaches did not look forward to facing Spurrier no matter how much they all tried to downplay those matchups. It was generally accepted that he would bring more talent and a brilliant attack into almost every game. It was not always the case, but it was more often than not.

The Fun 'N Gun attack was perceived as an unstoppable, complicated attack when it fact it really wasn't. Mostly it was an aggressive offense, more balanced than you realized between the run and the pass, which was run by an extremely talented group of athletes.

Will that be the case at South Carolina? I doubt it. Still, going from Holtz to Spurrier is an upgrade no matter how you look at it.

The change at Florida from Zook to Meyer is one that will be interesting to follow. Zook left Florida a hero by beating Florida State at Tallahassee in his final regular season game. But before the FSU win, you have to remember that Zook had been little more than an average coach. He was not very popular, still trying to work out of the Spurrier shadow.

Zook was a good guy that people liked, but the perception was that he never had the full backing of the Gator fans and not always the Gator players. After his midseason dumping, he improved his status in their eyes by remaining on to coach the Gators through the end of the season instead of just taking his money and playing golf somewhere

But Florida under Zook was not the SEC East beast that it had been under Spurrier. No matter what he did, it is likely that facing a Zook-led team would never make rival coaches break out in night sweats.

But what about Meyer? He arrives at Florida with a solid pedigree, although at smaller programs. But he is the hot coach of the year. The thought of Meyer bringing the same level of play to the Gators that he did to Utah the past couple of years can be a little scary when you consider how much more talent he will have to work with in Gainesville. He will be coaching against a higher level of coaches, but the chances are Meyer and hold his own and will not be out-coached or intimidated by coaching against the likes of Mark Richt, Phillip Fulmer or Spurrier.

So the bottom line at Florida is the Gators have upgraded their coaching situation.

The one change that will be the hardest to handicap is at LSU where Miles takes over for Saban, who was considered one of the best coaches in the nation.

Miles is regarded as a good coach, but he's not considered great. But Miles inherits a program loaded with tradition and talent after being at Oklahoma State, a program that had very little of either. The Cowboys had enjoyed only one winning season in the 12 years prior to Miles taking over. In four seasons, he went 28-21 and took the Cowboys to three bowl games. That's good production for a school that is a clear No. 2 in its own home state when it comes to tradition, talent and popularity.

There is also the nagging thought that Miles was not the No. 1 choice to replace Saban. He was at best No. 2, and possibly even lower, but he's the one who took the job and he is the one facing the burden of having to replace Saban, a terrific coach but not an overly popular man on campus.

The kindest rating on the LSU coaching change would be push, but that's not really the case. It may turn out to be the greatest coaching move since Bear Bryant left Texas A&M to take over Alabama, but for the moment there is no way to rate the LSU coaching change as a step down.

It's up to Miles to change that assessment and he needs to do it in a hurry. After enjoying the fruits of a national championship just a season ago and knowing there is plenty of talent on campus, the LSU fans will not be as patient with small successes as were the fans at Oklahoma State.
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Neo
01-13-2005, 08:26 AM
Very good read. Some valid points too!

BatjacAU
01-13-2005, 11:35 AM
After they hired the Mighty Oregoreo!!!!!!!!!






New SEC coaches must win _ and in a major way
By BEN COOK
January 11, 2005

The Southeastern Conference has added three coaches since the close of the football season - Steve Spurrier for an encore performance and Urban Meyer and Les Miles for the first time. Replacing Lou Holtz, Ron Zook and Nick Saban with Spurrier, Meyer and Miles don't hurt the level of coaching in the SEC. In fact, on most scales it would be considered an upgrade.

Holtz' performance at South Carolina was good, but certainly not great. The Gamecocks never got to the heights expected when Holtz was hired. South Carolina never even cracked the Big Three (Florida, Georgia, Tennessee) in the SEC East.


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When you get right down to it, the Gamecock program seemed to be on a downward slide for the past couple of years. USC might actually have stuck with Holtz a year longer than it should have.

Spurrier is a definite upgrade, although how much magic Spurrier has left after his ego-bruising, mystique-busting time with the Washington Redskins remains to be seen. Spurrier won't have the resources available that he did at Florida, which means mostly a fertile home-state recruiting ground to harvest.

Even though Spurrier had to share the state with Miami, Florida State and a seemingly endless number of smaller Division 1-A programs, Florida usually produced great high school football players than oranges. At South Carolina, Spurrier will have to share the recruiting harvest with Clemson, a team that is leaps and bounds ahead of South Carolina when it comes to football tradition.

The interesting thing to watch will be the Spurrier fear factor. When he was at Florida, coaches did not look forward to facing Spurrier no matter how much they all tried to downplay those matchups. It was generally accepted that he would bring more talent and a brilliant attack into almost every game. It was not always the case, but it was more often than not.

The Fun 'N Gun attack was perceived as an unstoppable, complicated attack when it fact it really wasn't. Mostly it was an aggressive offense, more balanced than you realized between the run and the pass, which was run by an extremely talented group of athletes.

Will that be the case at South Carolina? I doubt it. Still, going from Holtz to Spurrier is an upgrade no matter how you look at it.

The change at Florida from Zook to Meyer is one that will be interesting to follow. Zook left Florida a hero by beating Florida State at Tallahassee in his final regular season game. But before the FSU win, you have to remember that Zook had been little more than an average coach. He was not very popular, still trying to work out of the Spurrier shadow.

Zook was a good guy that people liked, but the perception was that he never had the full backing of the Gator fans and not always the Gator players. After his midseason dumping, he improved his status in their eyes by remaining on to coach the Gators through the end of the season instead of just taking his money and playing golf somewhere

But Florida under Zook was not the SEC East beast that it had been under Spurrier. No matter what he did, it is likely that facing a Zook-led team would never make rival coaches break out in night sweats.

But what about Meyer? He arrives at Florida with a solid pedigree, although at smaller programs. But he is the hot coach of the year. The thought of Meyer bringing the same level of play to the Gators that he did to Utah the past couple of years can be a little scary when you consider how much more talent he will have to work with in Gainesville. He will be coaching against a higher level of coaches, but the chances are Meyer and hold his own and will not be out-coached or intimidated by coaching against the likes of Mark Richt, Phillip Fulmer or Spurrier.

So the bottom line at Florida is the Gators have upgraded their coaching situation.

The one change that will be the hardest to handicap is at LSU where Miles takes over for Saban, who was considered one of the best coaches in the nation.

Miles is regarded as a good coach, but he's not considered great. But Miles inherits a program loaded with tradition and talent after being at Oklahoma State, a program that had very little of either. The Cowboys had enjoyed only one winning season in the 12 years prior to Miles taking over. In four seasons, he went 28-21 and took the Cowboys to three bowl games. That's good production for a school that is a clear No. 2 in its own home state when it comes to tradition, talent and popularity.

There is also the nagging thought that Miles was not the No. 1 choice to replace Saban. He was at best No. 2, and possibly even lower, but he's the one who took the job and he is the one facing the burden of having to replace Saban, a terrific coach but not an overly popular man on campus.

The kindest rating on the LSU coaching change would be push, but that's not really the case. It may turn out to be the greatest coaching move since Bear Bryant left Texas A&M to take over Alabama, but for the moment there is no way to rate the LSU coaching change as a step down.

It's up to Miles to change that assessment and he needs to do it in a hurry. After enjoying the fruits of a national championship just a season ago and knowing there is plenty of talent on campus, the LSU fans will not be as patient with small successes as were the fans at Oklahoma State.
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bbqit
01-13-2005, 08:02 PM
After they hired the Mighty Oregoreo!!!!!!!!!


Interesting article leaving out Ole Miss. Typical from where written.

GeauxTo
01-14-2005, 04:33 PM
Interesting article leaving out Ole Miss. Typical from where written.

Agree! Ole Miss should definitely have been included. And from what I hear, their new coach sounds very sound. Shucks, he could have Ole Miss surprising a lot of folks, especially if he gets QB Robert Lane to live up to his potential. He seems to be assembling a great coaching staff and he is recruiting hot and heavy. Good luck to the Rebs!

Urban Meyer will probably be the best NEW SEC coach, behind Spurrier, whom I expect to really get the Gamecocks moving. Meyer is a good coach, but he is not inheriting the same quality of talent as Les Miles at LSU. If Miles is a decent coach, and he certainly seems to be, the talent pool in Baton Rouge can take them all the way to the SEC championship.
;)

GatorNation
01-14-2005, 06:25 PM
Agree! Ole Miss should definitely have been included. And from what I hear, their new coach sounds very sound. Shucks, he could have Ole Miss surprising a lot of folks, especially if he gets QB Robert Lane to live up to his potential. He seems to be assembling a great coaching staff and he is recruiting hot and heavy. Good luck to the Rebs!

Urban Meyer will probably be the best NEW SEC coach, behind Spurrier, whom I expect to really get the Gamecocks moving. Meyer is a good coach, but he is not inheriting the same quality of talent as Les Miles at LSU. If Miles is a decent coach, and he certainly seems to be, the talent pool in Baton Rouge can take them all the way to the SEC championship.
;)

The visored One will need a few good classes first. And Miles is exactly that: a decent coach, nothing more. Unless he can sustain the momentum of Saban's efforts, I'll give it three to four years until LSU finds themselves parked in the middle of the SEC West. UF has the athletes to match LSU...and you know it. The question is, can a coach maximize talent and make his athletes better? Meyer has shown he can do that....he's shown he can beat better opponents while, in most cases, fielding inferior athletes. Miles biggest claim to fame is that he beat OU a few times (but he also lost to a 7-7 Nebraska team that year, if I remember correctly).

Having said that, however, I think the LSU bus can basically drive itself this year....as long as "Less" Miles stays out of the way and doesn't screw it up, the Tigers should play for the SEC. What he accomplishes after he is finished riding the coat-tails of Saban, however, will invariably decide his legacy. Imo, and despite the money that has been pumped into the OSU program, he simply hasn't proven enough--particularly with what he had--to support a great deal of optimism. If Miles couldn't win the division even after beating his Goliath in-state rival, who also happens to be the best team in that division (and the entire conference, for that matter), it would never have happened.

Until further notice, THAT is Miles' legacy.

GTmorris1970
01-14-2005, 08:17 PM
The visored One will need a few good classes first. And Miles is exactly that: a decent coach, nothing more. Unless he can sustain the momentum of Saban's efforts, I'll give it three to four years until LSU finds themselves parked in the middle of the SEC West. UF has the athletes to match LSU...and you know it. The question is, can a coach maximize talent and make his athletes better? Meyer has shown he can do that....he's shown he can beat better opponents while, in most cases, fielding inferior athletes. Miles biggest claim to fame is that he beat OU a few times (but he also lost to a 7-7 Nebraska team that year, if I remember correctly).

Having said that, however, I think the LSU bus can basically drive itself this year....as long as "Less" Miles stays out of the way and doesn't screw it up, the Tigers should play for the SEC. What he accomplishes after he is finished riding the coat-tails of Saban, however, will invariably decide his legacy. Imo, and despite the money that has been pumped into the OSU program, he simply hasn't proven enough--particularly with what he had--to support a great deal of optimism. If Miles couldn't win the division even after beating his Goliath in-state rival, who also happens to be the best team in that division (and the entire conference, for that matter), it would never have happened.

Until further notice, THAT is Miles legacy.

I think Mr. Spurrier has also proven in the past he can win with less talented athletes. He did it at Duke and his first couple of years at Florida, where he had pretty much nothing when he came. Won 9 games for both first season if I remember correctly. Would have won the SEC first year at UF if they had not been pn probation. He has much more talent now at Carolina than he had at either of those two programs. I dont believe Carolina will win the SEC next year, but will be close. These "experts" can say what they want to about his recruiting, too. This class he is bringing in right now is pretty impressive considering how long he has been here. Only since Thanksgiving.

Neo
01-15-2005, 10:57 AM
I think Mr. Spurrier has also proven in the past he can win with less talented athletes. He did it at Duke and his first couple of years at Florida, where he had pretty much nothing when he came. Won 9 games for both first season if I remember correctly. Would have won the SEC first year at UF if they had not been pn probation. He has much more talent now at Carolina than he had at either of those two programs. I dont believe Carolina will win the SEC next year, but will be close. These "experts" can say what they want to about his recruiting, too. This class he is bringing in right now is pretty impressive considering how long he has been here. Only since Thanksgiving.

Considering that "Recruiting" is a year-around thing, he is pulling in a pretty decent class. :D

GeauxTo
01-16-2005, 08:39 PM
The visored One will need a few good classes first. And Miles is exactly that: a decent coach, nothing more. Unless he can sustain the momentum of Saban's efforts, I'll give it three to four years until LSU finds themselves parked in the middle of the SEC West. UF has the athletes to match LSU...and you know it. The question is, can a coach maximize talent and make his athletes better? Meyer has shown he can do that....he's shown he can beat better opponents while, in most cases, fielding inferior athletes. Miles biggest claim to fame is that he beat OU a few times (but he also lost to a 7-7 Nebraska team that year, if I remember correctly).

Having said that, however, I think the LSU bus can basically drive itself this year....as long as "Less" Miles stays out of the way and doesn't screw it up, the Tigers should play for the SEC. What he accomplishes after he is finished riding the coat-tails of Saban, however, will invariably decide his legacy. Imo, and despite the money that has been pumped into the OSU program, he simply hasn't proven enough--particularly with what he had--to support a great deal of optimism. If Miles couldn't win the division even after beating his Goliath in-state rival, who also happens to be the best team in that division (and the entire conference, for that matter), it would never have happened.

Until further notice, THAT is Miles legacy.

Hey man, you're scaring me! I sure hope Miles is better than your assessment!

If Florida has as much talent as LSU it is less distinguishable. But, by george, we will find out this year won't we!
;)

GatorNation
01-17-2005, 10:49 AM
lol...yeah, we will see. I still see LSU taking the West.

GeauxTo
01-17-2005, 03:34 PM
lol...yeah, we will see. I still see LSU taking the West.

And the East, too, when you consider LSU will beat the Vols and Gators in the regular season and the Vols again in the SECCG.
;)

volsboy05
01-17-2005, 03:57 PM
what makes you think LSU would beat tenn again in the sec game??.. i dont think lsu will be that great this year and i think it will be a showdown in the lsu<>tenn game and fla<>tenn game..

GeauxTo
01-18-2005, 03:56 PM
what makes you think LSU would beat tenn again in the sec game??.. i dont think lsu will be that great this year and i think it will be a showdown in the lsu<>tenn game and fla<>tenn game..

You are right that LSU/TENN will be a head-bustin showdown, and FL/TENN will also be a showdown. So will LSU/ALA and LSU/AUBURN, as well as TENN/GA and perhaps TENN/USC. It isn't going to be an easy road for anyone next year. I'm hoping the Bayou Bengals have a little edge on talent (but they may not; everyone has lots of talent) and that we will be pleasantly surprised by our new coach, Les Miles. I realize that mine is a mixture of factual information and wishful thinking, but I am a Tigah fan. By the way, I loved the way the VOLS dismantled A & M!
;)