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Tidetalk
01-07-2005, 10:38 AM
AU will probe Williams' ministry
New York Times story prompts review
Jack Stripling
Opelika-Auburn News
Friday, January 7, 2005
Auburn running back Carnell Williams emerges from the baptismal with the Rev. Chette Williams in this photo supplied by the Auburn University team chaplain.
The beloved spiritual leader of the Auburn Tigers' football team will be investigated by the university's NCAA compliance office, Auburn University Athletics Director Jay Jacobs said Thursday.
A recent story in the New York Times, which raised questions about the Rev. Chette Williams' role in the athletic department, has prompted a review of the ministry. The Times' column, written by an AU graduate, detailed payments made to Williams' campus ministry, some of which came from Robert Lowder, a powerful AU trustee often accused of interfering in athletics.
"There's not a finer guy around," Jacobs said of Williams, the team chaplain. "I hate it for him that his name has been put into this deal ... It's just something that's come up and we're going to check into it like we would anything else and move on."
At issue is whether Chette Williams Ministries Inc., a non-profit 501c3 organization, has engaged in any activities that violate rules set by the National Collegiate Athletic Association. The charity is linked to Lowder and former AU defensive coordinator Wayne Hall, two men whose names came up often in the firestorm after former AU football coach Terry Bowden's exit. Through the Robert and Charlotte Lowder Foundation, Lowder donated $90,000 to Chette Williams Ministries over three years, and Wayne Hall is
listed as the organization's treasurer.
The Times' column, written by Selena Roberts, never overtly accuses the ministry of NCAA violations. It does, however, quote a former AU player who notes that Williams wanted to guard against the impression that he was cheating. Williams, in a Thursday interview with the Opelika-Auburn News, said he had never paid a player nor had he referred a player to anyone who would pay.
"That would not even cross my mind," Williams said, appearing surprised at the question. "It scares me to even think about that. I have a wife. I have three small children, and I have a son whose name is Chette Jr. And I could never even think of doing anything to even hurt my family in any way like that, much less this university's athletic department. So, no, no. Never have, never would. Never even crossed my mind."
Preacher or Puppet?
The concerns about Williams may have as much to do with who holds influence over the team chaplain as anything else. AU says Williams, who has an office and a phone line in the university's athletic complex, is not an employee of the university. He and AU both say he is an employee of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
But Williams, who drew a $50,000 salary from his ministry in 2003 according to tax records, owes much to Lowder and Hall. Lowder is an annual contributor, and as a board member Hall has the authority to supplement Williams' salary beyond the $50,000, Williams said. When Williams goes on speaking engagements, for instance, and receives a check written to the foundation, Williams said the board can sign a check over to him as compensation.
"It's just to help supplement, just to help support my family," Williams said. "I've got three kids. I've got a wife. And I appreciate (the board) so much for wanting to do that.
"It's such an uncomfortable question."
The ministry recorded about $119,000 in total assets in 2003. But Williams assures the board's ability to boost his earnings and Lowder's generous donations don't buy influence.
"Do I feel beholden to (Lowder)? No, I don't," Williams said. "I'm not beholden to anybody except God."
Lowder refused an interview request and Hall could not be reached for comment.
A full offering plate
Salary supplements approved by the board, Williams said, explain the fact that he lives a rather plush lifestyle. Williams lives in a home valued at an estimated $350,000, which - contrary to the Times' report - was sold to him by AU's associate AD, Terry Windle, according to Lee County property records.
"It's kind of odd that people think a minister has to be poor," Williams said.
By all accounts if there's a minister deserving of compensation, it's Williams. His guidance is seen by many as a primary reason for AU's perfect football season this year.
"What he's done for our student-athletes here on campus, it speaks volumes," Jacobs said. "You can talk to any of those student-athletes, it's unbelievable."
Questions about Williams' ministry couldn't be more ill timed for a university that just wants to celebrate an outstanding football season. But apart from how it affects his young children, Williams said he welcomes a probe of the organization. Leaning against his bookshelf, which holds a book called "How to Be Born Again" and a biography of former AU great Bo Jackson, Williams said all of this is a test from God.
"I view this thing just like anything else in life," Williams said. "You try to do what's right. You do good things and opposition is going to come. You just never know how, where or when.
"But you want to be prepared. And you want to have a foundation. And I'm prepared, my wife's prepared and I think the people on my board (have) been prepared."
GRASSHOPPER
01-07-2005, 10:50 AM
Thats Gonna Be A Story To Follow
Thats Gonna Be A Story To Follow
Yep yup yep! :)
Volnooga
01-07-2005, 02:51 PM
So, what are they investigating? Whether the preacher is giving the players money?
Tidetalk
01-07-2005, 03:23 PM
So, what are they investigating? Whether the preacher is giving the players money?
Whether boosters are funneling money to players through the preacher.
Whether boosters are funneling money to players through the preacher.
If they are....The NCAA needs to smack em down with a good 2 years probation, 2 year bowl ban and scolly reductions. It's only fair, that's what they did to Bama.
QuackAttackVan
01-07-2005, 03:53 PM
Oh man, you SEC people.....;)
Tidetalk
01-07-2005, 04:17 PM
If they are....The NCAA needs to smack em down with a good 2 years probation, 2 year bowl ban and scolly reductions. It's only fair, that's what they did to Bama.
Actually, it was 5 years of probation, 2 year bowl ban and 3 years of scholarship reductions. I seriously doubt the NCAA will ever hand down another penalty that harsh without a finding of lack of institutional control or failure to monitor.
Actually, it was 5 years of probation, 2 year bowl ban and 3 years of scholarship reductions. I seriously doubt the NCAA will ever hand down another penalty that harsh without a finding of lack of institutional control or failure to monitor.
I stand corrected. If this is a violation by Auburn, don't you think they would end up giving a harsher punishment because Auburn is a habitual offender?
Tidetalk
01-07-2005, 04:26 PM
I stand corrected. Is this is a violation by Auburn, don't you think they would end up giving a harsher punishment because Auburn is a habitual offender?
No. They are not currently under any probation, so it would not be considered.
No. They are not currently under any probation, so it would not be considered.
Oh ok. I wasn't sure if the NCAA would crack harder considering that they were busted paying players back in 91 I think?
Tidetalk
01-07-2005, 04:31 PM
Oh ok. I wasn't sure if the NCAA would crack harder considering that they were busted paying players back in 91 I think?
They actually lead the nation with 6 probations (tied with Texas A&M I think). Maybe they can claim a championship at that!
They actually lead the nation with 6 probations (tied with Texas A&M I think). Maybe they can claim a championship at that!
Dang....<<Shaking head in disgust>> :(
I'm gonna look that us really quick.
Correction....7 major infractions at that university.
5 were directly linked to the football team.
Correction....7 major infractions at that university.
6 were linked to the football team.
Here is a list of all the major infractions committed by Auburn.
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AuburnandGamecockGirl
01-07-2005, 07:22 PM
How terrible is it that it is seen as "something wrong" because the team is so close to its team chaplain? No, I cannot guarantee that something isn't going on, but the speculation seems downright like a witch hunt to me. The 2004 Auburn football team is a very close knit family. They are strong in their beliefs as well. Follow this link, please....
http://www.tampabayauburnclub.com/page20.htm Please put this in your browser. It is a very good story.
How terrible is it that it is seen as "something wrong" because the team is so close to its team chaplain? No, I cannot guarantee that something isn't going on, but the speculation seems downright like a witch hunt to me. The 2004 Auburn football team is a very close knit family. They are strong in their beliefs as well. Follow this link, please....
http://www.tampabayauburnclub.com/page20.htm Please put this in your browser. It is a very good story.
While you may be right, it's hard not to suspect foul play when Auburn has shown to be a habitual offender. I hope there's nothing there and if there isn't the NCAA will drop it. If not, then the NCAA is going to let loose a whirlwind.
I feel that when a school breaks the rules, it hurts us all! It reflects negatively on the entire conference and it's members. That's why I hope Auburn hasn't been doing things they aren't supposed to.
bbqit
01-08-2005, 08:16 AM
While you may be right, it's hard not to suspect foul play when Auburn has shown to be a habitual offender. I hope there's nothing there and if there isn't the NCAA will drop it. If not, then the NCAA is going to let loose a whirlwind.
I feel that when a school breaks the rules, it hurts us all! It reflects negatively on the entire conference and it's members. That's why I hope Auburn hasn't been doing things they aren't supposed to.
Said correctly Del. Yet, even though USC has a very good rep, the SEC as a whole has been hit over the last several years. I am very surprised the NCAA is looking deep into the Ohio St thing. Mich just got a slap on the wrist for what they did. Yet in the SEC all but the death penalty happens often. One more thing Del, due to the fact USC hasn't been at the top of the food chain don't be surprised if an investigation gets started the year Spurrier wins the east. It's the old idea of "they weren't doing it before, why can they do it now?" thing. If it happens I for one will know it is bs.
Said correctly Del. Yet, even though USC has a very good rep, the SEC as a whole has been hit over the last several years. I am very surprised the NCAA is looking deep into the Ohio St thing. Mich just got a slap on the wrist for what they did. Yet in the SEC all but the death penalty happens often. One more thing Del, due to the fact USC hasn't been at the top of the food chain don't be surprised if an investigation gets started the year Spurrier wins the east. It's the old idea of "they weren't doing it before, why can they do it now?" thing. If it happens I for one will know it is bs.
I know! I'm getting ready for it. I can sleep better at night knowing that Spurrier does run a clean program though. That is one thing I disdain the most. Cheating! I can't stand it.
Overall, USC has committed minor violations in it's history, but we pride ourselves as a school that has never "BUSTED" the rules just to win.
Don't even get me on Ohio State. If memory serves, I was telling a few friends that I thought Tressel was buying these players. He has earned a rep like that everywhere he's been.
AuburnandGamecockGirl
01-08-2005, 05:27 PM
The last infraction made by the football team was in 1993 and Auburn paid heavily for that. They went undefeated that year with no chance of being SEC champs or going to a bowlgame or being ranked contenders for any title. I don't think that the school would make that mistake again. The other ones involving the football team are from 79, and some in the 50's. I agree that Lowder needs to leave Auburn. Every time anything comes up that is improper about the university, Lowder's name is mentioned. He is the one who was the problem involving SACS accreditation. I am a South Carolina fan as well. I take pride in being a fan of USC who isn't known as a cheater, but I don't think Auburn is seen as a team who cheats their way to the top either. I am proud to be a fan of both of these fine schools!
KrustyTheTiger
01-09-2005, 03:09 PM
The internal investigation found nothing except a free trip to a Fellowship of Christian Athletes function. It is a minor second degree infraction.
AuburnandGamecockGirl
01-09-2005, 04:15 PM
The internal investigation found nothing except a free trip to a Fellowship of Christian Athletes function. It is a minor second degree infraction.
Thank you for posting that Krusty. I hadn't heard much about it and I didn't know the outcome. I am glad to know that my Tigers are following the rules and are still an awesome football team!
The internal investigation found nothing except a free trip to a Fellowship of Christian Athletes function. It is a minor second degree infraction.
That's cool! Whew!
Saw31
01-10-2005, 05:25 AM
Don't even get me on Ohio State. If memory serves, I was telling a few friends that I thought Tressel was buying these players. He has earned a rep like that everywhere he's been.
What are you talking about? His reputation for buying players?
I live 10 minutes from "everywhere", as you claim, Tressel has been as head coach before tOSU and there is no such reputation. I know many people who have played for him. There is NO such reputation. The fact you even say that would be mind boggling, if not for the ridiculous stuff coming from the mouths of the Mark Mays and Trev Alberts of the world.
The trouble he had at Youngstown State University was from a man named Mickey Monus who gave the starting QB, Ray Isaac, benefits. Monus is in federal prison for jury tampering and bilking millions of dollars from investor's in what amounted to an Enron-like scheme from his failed drug store chain. Monus had the entire city of Youngstown fooled into thinking he was a good man. A master con artist who put hundreds if not thousands in this area on the unemployment line when his stores and corporate offices closed the doors. There is no doubt who the villain was in this mess. YSU (Tressel) put ITSELF on probation even though the "statute of limitations" had run out for the NCAA to do anything when these facts came to light in the federal jury tampering trial of Monus/Isaac. Not the act of a man willing to win at all costs. Here's an enlightening article about the YSU stuff and Ray Isaac.
Note the date of this piece (http://www.cincypost.com/2003/10/07/arch10-07-2003.html)
The trouble tOSU is in in football is NOT an institutional problem at this point. I live 20 minutes from where Clarrett grew up and know people who grew up with him. To say he is a model citizen or anything near that would be laughable. A local reporter I've spoken to who interviewed some of his family could only descibe them to me in four letter words. His allegations need to be taken with a very large grain of salt. Would it surprise you to know that Troy Smith was friends with Clarret? The way it looks from what I'm reading, he was Clarret's only friend he had left and I guess now all us Buckeyes understand why. Two pees in a pod. There were stories of Clarret going back to Warren, OH and bragging how "he put Warren football on the map", on or around the date of a memorial service for the late Korey Stringer, also from Warren. The report goes on to say he was knocked unconscious by an ex-Warren HS/YSU and Tressel player for bad mouthing Stringer and Tressel. No-one seems to know who threw the punch because so many claim they were the one or wished they were the one. This is the kind of person we're talking about here. The biggest mistake Tressel made was ever letting this guy set foot on campus. His other "friend" (I put that in quotes because I'm not so sure they are "friends" anymore) Lebron James (Akron St. V./St. M.) was set to make millions immediately after high school. Clarret wanted something similar and decided to go outside the rules to get what he could. And in Columbus, Ohio, the 15th largest city in the United States, it's not hard to get yourself into this kind of trouble if you want to. There are plenty of leaches in Columbus. Columbus is not a college town, it is a major city, with major city problems.
It is incredible to me that this stuff is happening now and to Tressel. Half the reason Cooper was fired was because the program was not living up to off the field expectations. We have gone from having graduations rates in the teens, to over 50% for the football program. Of course the cheap joke here is to say "that's because the tutors do all the work", but I think maybe Craig Krenzel, among others, would dispute that. And keep in mind, tOSU would compete for national championships very frequently without taking a single player from outside the borders of this state. There is no need to pay kids to come to tOSU. They already want to come here. What is in the headlines now is about kids, who are already here, looking for "some love", as Clarret likes to say. And we have plenty of scumbags in Columbus willing to give them that "love", unfortunately.
The basketball program had a coach (Jim O'Brien) who gave $6000 dollars to a basketball recruit (who never played one second for tOSU BTW) many years ago because his family was living in a war zone. However charitable or well-meaning, it is completely against every NCAA rule, and we will pay the price for that and should. When this came to light in court documents of a lawsuit, he was immediately fired by tOSU. This however could still be construed as "institutional" involvement and the penalties for the basketball program will reflect that I believe.
Now, I'm sure I've wasted enough of your time on subjects not relating to the SEC. I am a college football fan and came here because this seems to be where these Fulmer rumors are originating. I sure hope you've got your story straight because this is everywhere now, and my personal feelings of Fulmer and UT not withstanding, I would hate to think that this is some sort of joke or hoax because the recruiting season is heating up.
With that, I will congradulate the USC'ers and the UF'ers on their new coaches. Remind the UF'ers that the Urban legend is an OHIO guy :D , and wish you all well and good luck in the recruiting battles in the next few weeks.
And also good luck with this new forum. From my dealings with SEC'ers, I don't see how any of you are going to be able to get along though. ;)
You may be right. On top of the above mentioned case concerning the 10K, according to the NCAA Compliance Department, Youngstown St./Tressel was also linked and cited in 2/00 for "Improper Benefits & Lack of Institutional Control".
Now...call me crazy, but trouble seems to follow this guy around. ;)
Saw31
01-10-2005, 06:06 AM
You may be right. On top of the above mentioned case concerning the 10K, according to the NCAA Compliance Department, Youngstown St./Tressel was also linked and cited in 2/00 for "Improper Benefits & Lack of Institutional Control".
Now...call me crazy, but trouble seems to follow this guy around. ;)
In my personal view, I believe that sometimes he may be too nice for his own good. He trusts others more than he should and I believe this has caused problems. Too many people that I know personally, would go to any length to defend him and these people are not cheaters. And Youngstown is not, how shall I say this, the most honest of towns. We have been called the most corrupt city in America many times. :mad:
Anyway, I don't want to highjack this thread about Auburn's alleged problems. I think if these kind of things keep coming up, it will be a shame. I love college football and it is in everybody's interest to purge this stuff from the sport. I hope these allegations prove to be nothing, at any of our schools.
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In my personal view, I believe that sometimes he may be too nice for his own good. He trusts others more than he should and I believe this has caused problems. Too many people that I know personally, would go to any length to defend him and these people are not cheaters. And Youngstown is not, how shall I say this, the most honest of towns. We have been called the most corrupt city in America many times. :mad:
Anyway, I don't want to highjack this thread about Auburn's alleged problems. I think if these kind of things keep coming up, it will be a shame. I love college football and it is in everybody's interest to purge this stuff from the sport. I hope these allegations prove to be nothing, at any of our schools.
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I will agree with ya on that. There's no place in CFB for that kind of trash. I don't care what school it is. I look at cheating and dishonesty with disdain and contempt. I hate it at it's very soul. It just seems to rear it's ugly head every now and then. :(
QuackAttackVan
01-10-2005, 11:27 AM
What are you talking about? His reputation for buying players?
I live 10 minutes from "everywhere", as you claim, Tressel has been as head coach before tOSU and there is no such reputation. I know many people who have played for him. There is NO such reputation. The fact you even say that would be mind boggling, if not for the ridiculous stuff coming from the mouths of the Mark Mays and Trev Alberts of the world.
The trouble he had at Youngstown State University was from a man named Mickey Monus who gave the starting QB, Ray Isaac, benefits. Monus is in federal prison for jury tampering and bilking millions of dollars from investor's in what amounted to an Enron-like scheme from his failed drug store chain. Monus had the entire city of Youngstown fooled into thinking he was a good man. A master con artist who put hundreds if not thousands in this area on the unemployment line when his stores and corporate offices closed the doors. There is no doubt who the villain was in this mess. YSU (Tressel) put ITSELF on probation even though the "statute of limitations" had run out for the NCAA to do anything when these facts came to light in the federal jury tampering trial of Monus/Isaac. Not the act of a man willing to win at all costs. Here's an enlightening article about the YSU stuff and Ray Isaac.
Note the date of this piece (http://www.cincypost.com/2003/10/07/arch10-07-2003.html)
The trouble tOSU is in in football is NOT an institutional problem at this point. I live 20 minutes from where Clarrett grew up and know people who grew up with him. To say he is a model citizen or anything near that would be laughable. A local reporter I've spoken to who interviewed some of his family could only descibe them to me in four letter words. His allegations need to be taken with a very large grain of salt. Would it surprise you to know that Troy Smith was friends with Clarret? The way it looks from what I'm reading, he was Clarret's only friend he had left and I guess now all us Buckeyes understand why. Two pees in a pod. There were stories of Clarret going back to Warren, OH and bragging how "he put Warren football on the map", on or around the date of a memorial service for the late Korey Stringer, also from Warren. The report goes on to say he was knocked unconscious by an ex-Warren HS/YSU and Tressel player for bad mouthing Stringer and Tressel. No-one seems to know who threw the punch because so many claim they were the one or wished they were the one. This is the kind of person we're talking about here. The biggest mistake Tressel made was ever letting this guy set foot on campus. His other "friend" (I put that in quotes because I'm not so sure they are "friends" anymore) Lebron James (Akron St. V./St. M.) was set to make millions immediately after high school. Clarret wanted something similar and decided to go outside the rules to get what he could. And in Columbus, Ohio, the 15th largest city in the United States, it's not hard to get yourself into this kind of trouble if you want to. There are plenty of leaches in Columbus. Columbus is not a college town, it is a major city, with major city problems.
It is incredible to me that this stuff is happening now and to Tressel. Half the reason Cooper was fired was because the program was not living up to off the field expectations. We have gone from having graduations rates in the teens, to over 50% for the football program. Of course the cheap joke here is to say "that's because the tutors do all the work", but I think maybe Craig Krenzel, among others, would dispute that. And keep in mind, tOSU would compete for national championships very frequently without taking a single player from outside the borders of this state. There is no need to pay kids to come to tOSU. They already want to come here. What is in the headlines now is about kids, who are already here, looking for "some love", as Clarret likes to say. And we have plenty of scumbags in Columbus willing to give them that "love", unfortunately.
The basketball program had a coach (Jim O'Brien) who gave $6000 dollars to a basketball recruit (who never played one second for tOSU BTW) many years ago because his family was living in a war zone. However charitable or well-meaning, it is completely against every NCAA rule, and we will pay the price for that and should. When this came to light in court documents of a lawsuit, he was immediately fired by tOSU. This however could still be construed as "institutional" involvement and the penalties for the basketball program will reflect that I believe.
Now, I'm sure I've wasted enough of your time on subjects not relating to the SEC. I am a college football fan and came here because this seems to be where these Fulmer rumors are originating. I sure hope you've got your story straight because this is everywhere now, and my personal feelings of Fulmer and UT not withstanding, I would hate to think that this is some sort of joke or hoax because the recruiting season is heating up.
With that, I will congradulate the USC'ers and the UF'ers on their new coaches. Remind the UF'ers that the Urban legend is an OHIO guy :D , and wish you all well and good luck in the recruiting battles in the next few weeks.
And also good luck with this new forum. From my dealings with SEC'ers, I don't see how any of you are going to be able to get along though. ;)
Ouch. Great post.
Rep points for that!
JBryant12
01-10-2005, 11:35 AM
Now, I'm sure I've wasted enough of your time on subjects not relating to the SEC. I am a college football fan and came here because this seems to be where these Fulmer rumors are originating. I sure hope you've got your story straight because this is everywhere now, and my personal feelings of Fulmer and UT not withstanding, I would hate to think that this is some sort of joke or hoax because the recruiting season is heating up.
He's got a point. It would be a shame if the rumor is false and Tennessee ends up losing recruits.
Now, I'm sure I've wasted enough of your time on subjects not relating to the SEC. I am a college football fan and came here because this seems to be where these Fulmer rumors are originating. I sure hope you've got your story straight because this is everywhere now, and my personal feelings of Fulmer and UT not withstanding, I would hate to think that this is some sort of joke or hoax because the recruiting season is heating up.
We didn't start these rumors. We have heard them on the radio, seen them on UT's Message Boards and other venues.
WarEagle_57
01-10-2005, 01:10 PM
I stand corrected. If this is a violation by Auburn, don't you think they would end up giving a harsher punishment because Auburn is a habitual offender?
Habitual offender??? Some may think so. I think it is a little harsh. The only habitual offender is Bobby Lowder. We can't seem to contain this guy!
Habitual offender??? Some may think so. I think it is a little harsh. The only habitual offender is Bobby Lowder. We can't seem to contain this guy!
By definition, Auburn could be considered a habitual offender. They have violated NCAA rules more than once.
WarEagle_57
01-10-2005, 01:38 PM
By definition, Auburn could be considered a habitual offender. They have violated NCAA rules more than twice.
Actually, by definition: customarily doing something in a certain way or fashion.
Does that make USC a habitual national champion? I hope not!
Actually, by definition: customarily doing something in a certain way or fashion.
Does that make USC a habitual national champion? I hope not!
I do too! :)
hotsauce
01-10-2005, 03:28 PM
Selena Roberts is a left-wing hack with a disdain for men, sports, religion, and the south. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that she would attack her alma mater this way.
Guys, I would be careful when touting Ms. Roberts' work. You may be next on her hit list.
AuburnandGamecockGirl
01-10-2005, 07:32 PM
Habitual offender??? Some may think so. I think it is a little harsh. The only habitual offender is Bobby Lowder. We can't seem to contain this guy!
Yep, WarEagle57, I agree. Bobby Lowder has money and therefore influence at the university. I think he should be overthrown and banned from Auburn functions. How awful is it that one man can cause so much crap at one school? I am embarrassed that he is associated with Auburn University.
Saw31
01-11-2005, 06:34 AM
Thanks all for the rep points!!
A little addition to my mammoth first post. I am now seeing reports that some of the cash that Troy Smith (QB) took from tOSU booster was used to pay for Clarret's cell phone!! Will he ever just go away??!! This guy gives a new meaning to the saying "he's a cancer on our team". He makes Randy Moss look like a rank amatuer.
And to reply to the Auburn stuff. I admittedly don't know much, but from my understanding this Lowder is what we like to call a "jock sniffer" who for some reason just can't keep his nose out of places it shouldn't be. At least he's an Auburn alum, IIRC, and had some half-rational reason to be this obsessed with the kids. Our guy wasn't. Just some local businessman who, from reports, liked to wine and dine prospective clients in his 35 yard line luxury box while ego-tripping. It's a shame that schools have to rely so much on money from these boosters. While I understand they are needed, I don't understand why some of these guys think they are helping by doing this kind of stuff. They are certainly not. While the players have a large responsiblity, some of these boosters are just plain slimeballs.
ColonelKurtz
01-11-2005, 09:53 AM
Good grief, you can't visit nary a football message board anymore without some bammer posting some wild goose chase of some violation by a rival. I guess that tells us that the tahders are worried that their undisputed Cheating Championship being threatened.
So failing to stick some incredible conspiracy on UT & PF, bammer thinks that going after one of the Lord's servants that He isn't above their scrutiny. And they wonder why they have become the laughing stock of the rest of Collegiate fans everywhere.
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