ACC vs. SEC

[Payindews]

I am in the middle of ACC country and on the fringe of SEC country. I am constantly defending the SEC with everyone around me. I know Auburn beat Va Tech however alot of ACC supporters are telling me that Miami could have beat Auburn. Do you think the new ACC will be more powerful than the current SEC?

[Volnooga]

No...

There are times when the strongest team miht come from the ACC but for overall Toughness? C'mon.

UT
UGA
UF
LSU
AU
Look at those five right there!!!

Throw in
UA
Ark
USC

Ole Miss and Miss ST can be spoilers too.

I mean it isn't even Close.

[Payindews]

you don't think it is even close? wow.
I am thinking about
Miami
Va Tech
Florida St.
NC State
Virginia

Throw in
Boston Coll
Clemson

sounds pretty close to me. I am an SEC fan and will support the conference but it will make me sick if they get football too. I already have to hear it all b ball season.

[hmsdawgs]

The ACC has definitely upped their programs by adding some powerhouses like Miami and VT and maybe BC might become decent on a year to year basis in time. As far as being consistant year in and year out, I dont think that will be able to match the SEC. It seems that in the ACC you always have your constant FSU and now probably Miami, but the other schools seem to rotate who is next in the running.
With the SEC, you have three teams that are good year in and year out...ex.Florida, Tenn. and UGA. Now Auburn will probably be a mainstay for a while.

I believe that overall the SEC will be a better conference year in and year out than the ACC.

[Volnooga]

Miami and FSU, I'll give you. In Recent years, you can throw in Va Tech. So that's 3

I really don't see Virginia, Clemson, and NC State being = to the 2nd 3 in the SEC. Not year inand Year out.

[USAFGAMECOCK]

Miami and FSU, I'll give you. In Recent years, you can throw in Va Tech. So that's 3

I really don't see Virginia, Clemson, and NC State being = to the 2nd 3 in the SEC. Not year inand Year out.

Very well said....and I don't see the SEC getting any weaker either, so I think it will be a while before ACC caliber football matches SEC caliber on a consistant basis. Also consider this...this is my opinion based on this past season, but you take the good SEC teams from this past season and throw in Bama (I hear they could make some noise in 05') and hopefully my Gamecocks, and the SEC is that much stronger next year. Even if neither is the case, I agree that the SEC is consistantly stronger. But the ACC is certainly much improved with the additions of the new teams.

[Neo]

I am in the middle of ACC country and on the fringe of SEC country. I am constantly defending the SEC with everyone around me. I know Auburn beat Va Tech however alot of ACC supporters are telling me that Miami could have beat Auburn. Do you think the new ACC will be more powerful than the current SEC?


I know what ya mean Payn. I'm in Monroe, NC and all of these TARHOLE fans do nothing but ACC this and ACC that.

If they think Miami could take Auburn, they need to grow a brain. Miami is not all that and a bag of chips this year. Hands down, you could match up the SEC/ACC team for team and you would notice that the SEC is more balanced where is the ACC is very top-heavy.

[GRASSHOPPER]

I am in the middle of ACC country and on the fringe of SEC country. I am constantly defending the SEC with everyone around me. I know Auburn beat Va Tech however alot of ACC supporters are telling me that Miami could have beat Auburn. Do you think the new ACC will be more powerful than the current SEC?YOU MEAN MIAMI THAT LOST TO CLEMSON? THEY MUST BE TALKING MIAMI OF OHIO BECAUSE MIAMI FLA. LOOKED LIKE SH---- IN THE PEACH BOWL

[Neo]

YOU MEAN MIAMI THAT LOST TO CLEMSON? THEY MUST BE TALKING MIAMI OF OHIO BECAUSE MIAMI FLA. LOOKED LIKE SH---- IN THE PEACH BOWL

Yeah...that Miami! :D

[GRASSHOPPER]

I Never Saw The Stats But Did Miami Have 250 Total Yards In The Peach Bowl?

[Neo]

I Never Saw The Stats But Did Miami Have 250 Total Yards In The Peach Bowl?

I think so. Not quite sure.

[GRASSHOPPER]

If They Did It Coul'nt Have Been By Much.

[cobbshogs]

The Sec Is By Far The Best .. We Have To Many Good Team And Somany Very Close To Being Good .. We Are More Rounded Then The Rest

[Neo]

The Sec Is By Far The Best .. We Have To Many Good Team And Somany Very Close To Being Good .. We Are More Rounded Then The Rest

I would agree with that statement Cobb! The SEC is more leveled than most conferences. For instance, since the ACC added Miami, VT and BC, the ACC is now very top-heavy and not as balanced as the SEC.

[cocky4ever]

The Sec Is By Far The Best .. We Have To Many Good Team And Somany Very Close To Being Good .. We Are More Rounded Then The Rest
Yes the ACC has improved by adding VA Tech,Miami, and next year BC. However, it will probably never be consistently better than the SEC in football, or baseball for that matter. Just look at who will be coaching in the SEC next year. I also think that the ACC teams will realize how hard it is to play strong or even just decent teams all year. For example Miami lost to UNC and chumpson. FSU lost to Maryland who didnt even make it to a bowl this year. chumpson lost to Duke. Now that they have to bring their "A" game every week they will see what its like to play in a real football conference. Most years in college football every week there is about an average of 6 SEC teams in the top 25. Thats more than 25% coming from one conference. We would have more in there but we play each other. Saying the ACC is better than the SEC in football is like saying that the SEC is better than the ACC in basketball.

[Payindews]

I dont think you can say the ACC is top heavy aftter Miami loss to Clemson and UNC. I agree with cocky4ever that they will beat themselves up. The only problem is that it will also make them better. I know that when I played a sport (in the backyard ofcourse) and some better talent came out that day, my ability magically stretched to the new set bar. One good thing about the new ACC is that Clemson will probably not win an ACC championship in my lifetime. Atleast I hope not.

[Neo]

I dont think you can say the ACC is top heavy aftter Miami loss to Clemson and UNC. I agree with cocky4ever that they will beat themselves up. The only problem is that it will also make them better. I know that when I played a sport (in the backyard ofcourse) and some better talent came out that day, my ability magically stretched to the new set bar. One good thing about the new ACC is that Clemson will probably not win an ACC championship in my lifetime. Atleast I hope not.

Miami was still having a down year this year. Since you brought up the Clemson victory over Miami, I'll make a bet with ya that they won't beat Miami again for quite a while.

[GatorNation]

I Never Saw The Stats But Did Miami Have 250 Total Yards In The Peach Bowl?

277.
4-13 on third downs
2 turnovers...

...no reason we should've lost that one. :mad:

[Neo]

277.
4-13 on third downs
2 turnovers...

...no reason we should've lost that one. :mad:


I guess I was watching the "other" Peach Bowl. :rolleyes:

Chris Leak was getting pounded from the first possession on. He played like a "Pop Warner" QB in that game. Miami was just the better team that night.

[rabidcock]

Don't fret gentlemen; perhaps we could "buy" Sou. Cal and Oklahoma, thus assuring dominance over that pretender conference.

[Imagine: trying to buy respectability in that fashion.]

[JBryant12]

The ACC is going to get better but its gonna be a while before they have a team in the National Championship game because its gonna be tough to go undefeated unlike in other conferences.... (cough) Pac ten (cough) but the SEC has so much more tradition than the ACC so there is no way that the ACC will dominate the SEC at least not in my lifetime

[Neo]

The ACC is going to get better but its gonna be a while before they have a team in the National Championship game because its gonna be tough to go undefeated unlike in other conferences.... (cough) Pac ten (cough) but the SEC has so much more tradition than the ACC so there is no way that the ACC will dominate the SEC at least not in my lifetime


I agree. In order for the ACC to "own" the SEC, they are going to have to beat them on a regular basis.

[jeffh]

ACC never lived up to the hype. I fact that a team like VA TEch which was picked middle of the pack preseason, wins the ACC, says a lot about the league. FSU,Miami and UVA were busts and the rest of the league had mediocre to bad teams like NCSTATe,clemson,UNC,MD etc. The SEC could have been better but still ended up with 5 ranked teams and two top ten teams.

[Neo]

ACC never lived up to the hype. I fact that a team like VA TEch which was picked middle of the pack preseason, wins the ACC, says a lot about the league. FSU,Miami and UVA were busts and the rest of the league had mediocre to bad teams like NCSTATe,clemson,UNC,MD etc. The SEC could have been better but still ended up with 5 ranked teams and two top ten teams.


Preach it brother! LOL!

[GRASSHOPPER]

Sec Football=acc Basketball

[Neo]

Sec Football=acc Basketball


Now that's a good comparision. I never thought of that. :)

[jeffh]

The ACC was way down in 2004 with their supposed powers of FSU,Miami and upstart UVA laying eggs. The rest of the league was mediocre with NcState and Maryland under 500 and Clemson,UNC,Wake etc etc being average at best. The SEC had two ten ranked teams and ACC had one with VA TEch at #10. SEC had 5 final ranked teams and the ACC had four and the SEC won more of the head to head matchups. The SEC was king again!

[Neo]

The ACC was way down in 2004 with their supposed powers of FSU,Miami and upstart UVA laying eggs. The rest of the league was mediocre with NcState and Maryland under 500 and Clemson,UNC,Wake etc etc being average at best. The SEC had two ten ranked teams and ACC had one with VA TEch at #10. SEC had 5 final ranked teams and the ACC had four and the SEC won more of the head to head matchups. The SEC was king again!

Call me crazy, but I think the USS FSU is starting to take on a little water. There were rumors circulating that Bowden was calling it quits for health reasons and the team just isn't as good as it used to be.

[QuackAttackVan]

Bowden and FSU have had that rumor for 2 years now....seems to be a common theme from within.

I know that Bowden has just finished up on his retirement house so within 2 years wouldn't surprise me.

[Payindews]

I think it would be funny to see Ron Zook go to Fla St. Do you think he might give them a game each year?

[Neo]

I think it would be funny to see Ron Zook go to Fla St. Do you think he might give them a game each year?

That would be kinda trippy. :)

[KrustyTheTiger]

The ACC champ next year will have to play in a championship game like the SEC has for the last few years. That is going to even out the addition of Miami and Va Tech. Now that the good ACC teams will play each other every year, like we have to do in the SEC, it will be impossible for their big 3 to go undefeated now. Also, playing more tough games against each other is going to take an injury toll that they have not had to face in the past.

I think the ACC has put together a great conference, but in no way do I concede that it is better than the SEC.

[AuburnandGamecockGirl]

Don't fret gentlemen; perhaps we could "buy" Sou. Cal and Oklahoma, thus assuring dominance over that pretender conference.

[Imagine: trying to buy respectability in that fashion.]
I put up 5 dollars for both football programs. I think that is about how much they are worth! Then they would have to play the SEC and we can show them what real football is like!

[QuackAttackVan]

Auburn, do you think you all would actually have had a shot against USC that night?

I have read some of the Oklahoma responses and the biggest thing was the turnovers but people act as if USC had nothing to do with it. 2 of the INT's were thrown because USC was in the backfield so quick and in the face of White and the fumble.....ok, well....that was just stupid.

Either way, AU did get screwed but I am not sure anyone would have beaten USC that night.

[AuburnandGamecockGirl]

Auburn, do you think you all would actually have had a shot against USC that night?

I have read some of the Oklahoma responses and the biggest thing was the turnovers but people act as if USC had nothing to do with it. 2 of the INT's were thrown because USC was in the backfield so quick and in the face of White and the fumble.....ok, well....that was just stupid.

Either way, AU did get screwed but I am not sure anyone would have beaten USC that night.
Hmmm, I am not saying we would have beaten USC. I am saying that we should have had the chance to be in the Orange Bowl or that the winner of the Sugar Bowl should have played the winner of the Orange Bowl. USC looked awesome that night, I agree, but I think Auburn would have stood up to them more than Oklahoma did. All I am arguing for is a playoff system or something better. I am also saying I think that USC or Oklahoma would have played better teams if they played some SEC teams and might not have gone undefeated. Auburn is only the 4th team in SEC history to go 13-0 in one season. That is because the SEC is so strong throughout its conference. I also think that ESPN and the AP do not give the SEC enough respect. I am sick and tired of that. They decided USC was the best before the season started. They kept saying they would believe Auburn was the better football team if.....if we beat LSU, if we beat Tennessee at Tenn, if we beat Georgia, if we beat Tenn for the 2nd time at the Georgia Dome. We did it all and STILL they don't think the SEC is respectable enough to produce a national champion. Therefore if USC and Oklahoma were in the SEC, EVERYONE could see that firsthand and see that USC and Oklahoma would STRUGGLE.

[RebelCEO]

I am in the middle of ACC country and on the fringe of SEC country. I am constantly defending the SEC with everyone around me. I know Auburn beat Va Tech however alot of ACC supporters are telling me that Miami could have beat Auburn. Do you think the new ACC will be more powerful than the current SEC?

No way! The ACC has too many weak sisters!

[Spuringgamcock]

:D , no i don't think the acc will ever be as strong as the SEC !!!!
Thank's guys for WelCome Me here

[GTmorris1970]

No way! The ACC has too many weak sisters!

Actually, the ACC has been ranked right above the SEC overall for the last 2 seasons. SEC number 4 and ACC number 3. The SEC also had their share of weak sisters this year. Many in fact. I believe those 2 to be about equal now.

[Neo]

Actually, the ACC has been ranked right above the SEC overall for the last 2 seasons. SEC number 4 and ACC number 3. The SEC also had their share of weak sisters this year. Many in fact. I believe those 2 to be about equal now.

You have to factor in that the SEC has more teams than the ACC.

[SilverBritches]

No way. The SEC is consistently strong. For example, next season we will be without a doubt the best conference in the nation. We will have a very strong LSU, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. Add to that USC with Spurrier and who knows how good we can be. The ACC will have their years every once in a while but the SEC is consistently better. Outside of Miami and FSU, they have zero annual top 10 teams.

There is no way Miami could beat Auburn this season. They lost to Clemson who lost to Duke the week before for crying out loud.

[AuburnandGamecockGirl]

Thanks, Silver. I agree that Auburn would have beaten Miami this year. I wish we had been given that chance as well.

[GTmorris1970]

I know what ya mean Payn. I'm in Monroe, NC and all of these TARHOLE fans do nothing but ACC this and ACC that.

If they think Miami could take Auburn, they need to grow a brain. Miami is not all that and a bag of chips this year. Hands down, you could match up the SEC/ACC team for team and you would notice that the SEC is more balanced where is the ACC is very top-heavy.

I respectfully disagree. As I have said before, I follow both conferences. IMO, the reason the ACC was top heavy this season is simply because it is such a competitive conference. As I posted last evening, the "experts" have had the ACC ranked 1 spot higher than the SEC the last 2 or 3 years. Even before Miami and Virginia Tech. Also, and if I am wrong correct me, but NORMALLY when the ACC plays the SEC, the ACC wins. That says something in itself. However, in saying this, I think either way, they are BOTH 2 of the best conferences in the nation. :)

[GTmorris1970]

I put up 5 dollars for both football programs. I think that is about how much they are worth! Then they would have to play the SEC and we can show them what real football is like!

NOBODY wanted any of USC on that night. Auburn is a great team, no doubt. But not on that night. :)

[GTmorris1970]

No way. The SEC is consistently strong. For example, next season we will be without a doubt the best conference in the nation. We will have a very strong LSU, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. Add to that USC with Spurrier and who knows how good we can be. The ACC will have their years every once in a while but the SEC is consistently better. Outside of Miami and FSU, they have zero annual top 10 teams.

There is no way Miami could beat Auburn this season. They lost to Clemson who lost to Duke the week before for crying out loud.

I am simply saying look at the rankings, and the record of ACC vs. SEC. That is all I am saying. Same reason Auburn was not in National Championship game. SEC number 4 this year. ACC number 3. PAC 10 number one, with USC winning like 31 games in a row. Hard to argue that.

[SilverBritches]

The ACC does not normally win. Georgia has beaten GT 4 straight years and just beat Clemson twice. Florida beat FSU with a lame duck coach. The SEC champion beat the ACC champion this year as well. Clemson did beat USC however. Miami beat Florida but Florida lost their whole staff before the game.

Pac 10 the number one conference? Thats a good one. Their #2 team was destroyed by a middle of the road Big 12 team and UCLA lost to Wyoming. They have nobody outside of Southern Cal.

I will admit the SEC was down this year. The thing that kept Auburn out of the Orange Bowl was that they didn't start #1 or #2. That is why I think the preseason polls are a load of crap. They should start polls after week 8 or something.

[GTmorris1970]

The ACC does not normally win. Georgia has beaten GT 4 straight years and just beat Clemson twice. Florida beat FSU with a lame duck coach. The SEC champion beat the ACC champion this year as well. Clemson did beat USC however. Miami beat Florida but Florida lost their whole staff before the game.

Pac 10 the number one conference? Thats a good one. Their #2 team was destroyed by a middle of the road Big 12 team and UCLA lost to Wyoming. They have nobody outside of Southern Cal.

I will admit the SEC was down this year. The thing that kept Auburn out of the Orange Bowl was that they didn't start #1 or #2. That is why I think the preseason polls are a load of crap. They should start polls after week 8 or something.

I am not talking about this year alone. I am talking about head to head, especially in the Peach Bowl, over the last several years. The SEC has not been ranked number one conference but one time since 1990. USC has won 31 or 32 games in a row. Until someone beats them, I don't see how anyone can tell them they are not number one. This year, they are the best team by far in the nation. IMO, they will be next year as well.

[nooneLT]

there's no question southern cal is the best team in the nation. the question is, how is pac-10 compared to SEC or ACC or Big 12 or Big 11 (hah). pac-10 is mediocre at best with 2 good teams (i consider cal a good team even tho they got blown out by ttech).

[QuackAttackVan]

As I posted last evening, the "experts" have had the ACC ranked 1 spot higher than the SEC the last 2 or 3 years.

Where do you get that idea?

[GTmorris1970]

Where do you get that idea?

www.strengthranking.com

[WarEagle_57]

Strenght Comparison with Highest National Ranking

1. Auburn (2)/ Va Tech (10)
2. Tenn (13)/ Miami (11)
3. UGA (6)/ Fla St (14)
4. LSU (16)/ Virginia (23)
5. Fla (25)/ North Carolina (NR)
6. 'Bama (NR)/ Ga Tech (NR)
7. South Carolina (NR)/ Clemson (NR)
8. Arkansas (NR)/ N.C. State (NR)
9. Ole Miss (NR)/ Maryland (NR)
10. Miss State (NR)/ Wake Forest (NR)
11. Kentucky (NR)/ Duke (NR)
12. Vanderbilt (NR)/ ?????

BC was not included b/c they did not play an ACC schedule.

[Neo]

Strenght Comparison with Highest National Ranking

1. Auburn (2)/ Va Tech (10)
2. Tenn (13)/ Miami (11)
3. UGA (6)/ Fla St (14)
4. LSU (16)/ Virginia (23)
5. Fla (25)/ North Carolina (NR)
6. 'Bama (NR)/ Ga Tech (NR)
7. South Carolina (NR)/ Clemson (NR)
8. Arkansas (NR)/ N.C. State (NR)
9. Ole Miss (NR)/ Maryland (NR)
10. Miss State (NR)/ Wake Forest (NR)
11. Kentucky (NR)/ Duke (NR)
12. Vanderbilt (NR)/ ?????

BC was not included b/c they did not play an ACC schedule.

I don't buy the "ACC's Stronger" argument either. I'm not flaming GT. I just think that the ACC is wayyy too "Top-Heavy". :)

[GTmorris1970]

I don't buy the "ACC's Stronger" argument either. I'm not flaming GT. I just think that the ACC is wayyy too "Top-Heavy". :)

I dont think the ACC is stronger either bro. Like I said before, I think they are both great conferences. Two of the best in the land. I am proud to represent a team from both!! I do believe, however, that the SEC was a little down this year from their norm. I am sure they will bounce right back, though. Adding Spurrier here and Meyer at UF that division should be against the law!! LOL :)

[WarEagle_57]

I dont think the ACC is stronger either bro. Like I said before, I think they are both great conferences. Two of the best in the land. I am proud to represent a team from both!! I do believe, however, that the SEC was a little down this year from their norm. I am sure they will bounce right back, though. Adding Spurrier here and Meyer at UF that division should be against the law!! LOL :)

We all know what Spurrier is capable of, but I will be interested to see how Meyer fairs against competition of this calibur. We all know he is successful against mid-major opponents, let's see how he does against the big boys. I hope the SEC welcomes him appropriately!

[Neo]

We all know what Spurrier is capable of, but I will be interested to see how Meyer fairs against competition of this calibur. We all know he is successful against mid-major opponents, let's see how he does against the big boys. I hope the SEC welcomes him appropriately!

You have to put Meyer in perspective. He won at Bowling Green and Utah using someone else's players.

He didn't stay long enough to be graded. He stays at a school an average of 1 1/2 years.

This is his first job in a major conference playing major opponents week-in and week-out. Welcome to the SEC Mr. Meyer. :D

[volimhtown]

You have to put Meyer in perspective. He won at Bowling Green and Utah using someone else's players.

He didn't stay long enough to be graded. He stays at a school an average of 1 1/2 years.

This is his first job in a major conference playing major opponents week-in and week-out. Welcome to the SEC Mr. Meyer.

True....but remember, they said the same thing about Franchione. Where had he won before taking Bama to another level in just one season?? TCU is no more impressive than Utah!! Meyer, in my opinion, will have much more depth than Coach Fran had to work with. Florida WILL win the SEC next season!!

[JBryant12]

True....but remember, they said the same thing about Franchione. Where had he won before taking Bama to another level in just one season?? TCU is no more impressive than Utah!! Meyer, in my opinion, will have much more depth than Coach Fran had to work with. Florida WILL win the SEC next season!!

Never thought i would see the day when a UT fan says someting like that especially when UT has a good chance at winning the SEC.

[Neo]

True....but remember, they said the same thing about Franchione. Where had he won before taking Bama to another level in just one season?? TCU is no more impressive than Utah!! Meyer, in my opinion, will have much more depth than Coach Fran had to work with. Florida WILL win the SEC next season!!

This is where we disagree. :)

I say the Gators will go 9-3 next year. (Includes a Bowl win)

[Neo]

Meyer's offense revolves around the "Spread" and the "Option". Leak is not an "Option" QB. :)

[Neo]

Meyer's offense revolves around the "Spread" and the "Option". Leak is not an "Option" QB. :)

I think Meyer needs to get a different QB for his system. :)

[GatorNation]

I guess I was watching the "other" Peach Bowl. :rolleyes:

Chris Leak was getting pounded from the first possession on. He played like a "Pop Warner" QB in that game. Miami was just the better team that night.

That'll happen when you lose your starting left OT before the game....not to mention Strong looked completely lost. He was totally ineffective as a HC. Not many of the coaches were too interested in sending UF out on top. I heard Fedora was wearing a Illinois sweatshirt while working on the offensive gameplan for "that team down south." :rolleyes:

[Neo]

That'll happen when you lose your starting left OT before the game....not to mention Strong looked completely lost. He was totally ineffective as a HC. Not many of the coaches were too interested in sending UF out on top. I heard Fedora was wearing a Illinois sweatshirt while working on the offensive gameplan for "that team down south." :rolleyes:

No disagreement here. I thought Strong was lost too! I think that if Zook was there for the bowl game, they would have had better odds at beating Miami. :)

[GatorNation]

I think Meyer needs to get a different QB for his system. :)

Meyer has repeatedly said that he doesn't have an "offense" as much as he has a philosophy, which can then be tailored to fit his specific skill players. Look for some limited option, but Meyer '05 will be more spread, draw, shovel, and trickery than option. Speed option out of the Ace gun will be more of Portis' package in a few years.

Look for UF to take a top-5 ranking in passing offense next year.

[Neo]

Meyer has repeatedly said that he doesn't have an "offense" as much as he has a philosophy, which can then be tailored to fit his specific skill players. Look for some limited option, but Meyer '05 will be more spread, draw, shovel, and trickery than option. Speed option out of the Ace gun will be more of Portis' package in a few years.

Look for UF to take a top-5 ranking in passing offense next year.

With that kind of offense, yes he can do well with the current players. If he plans on running the option, he's gonna need a QB that doesn't run like he has 50lb weights on his feet. :)

[WarEagle_57]

This is where we disagree. :)

I say the Gators will go 9-3 next year. (Includes a Bowl win)

6-6 (also includes a bowl win).

[WarEagle_57]

6-6 (also includes a bowl win).

I was just joking. Didn't mean to ruffle you gators feathers, but no better than 8-4.

[volimhtown]

Never thought i would see the day when a UT fan says someting like that especially when UT has a good chance at winning the SEC.
Just being realistic.....I think that the Gators will have extra incentive next season to re-establish themselves as a dominant force. I think Urban is the right guy and they have the talent in place. Unfortunately for the Vols, Urban's first SEC game will be against the Vols in the Swamp. No Bueno!!!!!

[Neo]

Just being realistic.....I think that the Gators will have extra incentive next season to re-establish themselves as a dominant force. I think Urban is the right guy and they have the talent in place. Unfortunately for the Vols, Urban's first SEC game will be against the Vols in the Swamp. No Bueno!!!!!


Only time will tell.... :)

[SilverBritches]

I am not talking about this year alone. I am talking about head to head, especially in the Peach Bowl, over the last several years. The SEC has not been ranked number one conference but one time since 1990. USC has won 31 or 32 games in a row. Until someone beats them, I don't see how anyone can tell them they are not number one. This year, they are the best team by far in the nation. IMO, they will be next year as well.

I wasn't saying USC isn't #1. I was saying that the PAC 10 as a conference is not #1. It takes more than one team to make a conference good.

I really don't care what the rankings say. The SEC beats up each other all year long. The Peach bowl does not mean or prove the ACC is a better conference. Especially not this year. Florida lost their head coach, O coordinator, and some other coaches prior to the game. They didn't stand a chance. How about the Sugar Bowl this year and after the 2002 season. The SEC champ has taken out the ACC champ the last 2 times they played.

The SEC has 5 national champions since 1990. That is more than any other conference.

[SilverBritches]

www.strengthranking.com

Those rankings lose all credibility having Auburn at #5. What a joke. Louisville at #3? I respect Louisville but Auburn would blow out Louisville. Miami and Florida over Georgia? I think we beat Florida and had a better record than them. Miami lost to Clemson. What a joke those polls are.

[Neo]

Those rankings lose all credibility having Auburn at #5. What a joke. Louisville at #3? I respect Louisville but Auburn would blow out Louisville. Miami and Florida over Georgia? I think we beat Florida and had a better record than them. Miami lost to Clemson. What a joke those polls are.

I saw that too and was wondering about that.... :)

[GTmorris1970]

I wasn't saying USC isn't #1. I was saying that the PAC 10 as a conference is not #1. It takes more than one team to make a conference good.

I really don't care what the rankings say. The SEC beats up each other all year long. The Peach bowl does not mean or prove the ACC is a better conference. Especially not this year. Florida lost their head coach, O coordinator, and some other coaches prior to the game. They didn't stand a chance. How about the Sugar Bowl this year and after the 2002 season. The SEC champ has taken out the ACC champ the last 2 times they played.

The SEC has 5 national champions since 1990. That is more than any other conference.

I tend to agree with you, actually. I'm not saying the ACC is better. They are both very good conferences. Someone simply ask me where I got the ACC was ranked higher than the SEC, so I supplied the link. I have nothing to do with making those rankings. I just ran across that link reading a story on the ESPN web site a while back. I was just pointing out that they have not had the SEC ranked number one in quite some time. :)

[Neo]

I tend to agree with you, actually. I'm not saying the ACC is better. They are both very good conferences. Someone simply ask me where I got the ACC was ranked higher than the SEC, so I supplied the link. I have nothing to do with making those rankings. I just ran across that link reading a story on the ESPN web site a while back. I was just pointing out that they have not had the SEC ranked number one in quite some time. :)

The ACC is too top heavy. Pretty soon, the ACC is going to sink faster then the Titanic. :)

[GTmorris1970]

The ACC is too top heavy. Pretty soon, the ACC is going to sink faster then the Titanic. :)

Don't say that!! :eek:

[GTmorris1970]

By the way, any prediction on how many Carolina will put up against UCF?

[Neo]

By the way, any prediction on how many Carolina will put up against UCF?

Going by what I saw of UCF last year, I say 49. :)

[GTmorris1970]

[QUOTE=DeLoreanfan1]Going by what I saw of UCF last year, I say 49. :)[/QUO

Sounds good to me!!

[Neo]

No way! The ACC has too many weak sisters!


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[GeauxTo]

Meyer has repeatedly said that he doesn't have an "offense" as much as he has a philosophy.
Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho
This is absofrigginlutely hilarious!
Disturbin Urbin is a philosopher, not a coach!
;)

[ColonelKurtz]

Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho
This is absofrigginlutely hilarious!
Disturbin Urbin is a philosopher, not a coach!
;)

BAM!

GN, while I respect your humongous optomism, dude, you're KILLIN' ME!! :D

[GatorNation]

Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho
This is absofrigginlutely hilarious!
Disturbin Urbin is a philosopher, not a coach!
;)


What? You guys don't believe in coaches having an "offensive philosophy" that transcends the script or specific route-running?? :rolleyes:

Amazing......well, I guess we should now be waiting for your critical posts concerning Bill Walsh.

Even a glance at a comparison between Bowling Green's offense in 2000-2002 and Utah's offense the last two years more than supports my point.

Thanks for playing.

[ColonelKurtz]

What? You guys don't believe in coaches having an "offensive philosophy" that transcends the script or specific route-running?? :rolleyes:

Amazing......well, I guess we should now be waiting for your critical posts concerning Bill Walsh.

Even a glance at a comparison between Bowling Green's offense in 2000-2002 and Utah's offense the last two years more than supports my point.

Thanks for playing.

Hold on now, don't go off and get ridiculous here. Every Coordinator has a philosophy about how they wanna play, we're just yanking your rah-rah hyping of the great unknown, which is exactly what UF & Meyer are right now.

Just remember that the basics of Meyer's O aren't an unknown quantity and the film guys around the conference will have dissected it well enough to formulate countermeasures.

[SilverBritches]

I am pretty unbiased here since most people in my family are UNC grads and I am a big Carolina basketball fan.

While I don't think the difference is that great between the conferences, I would say the SEC definetly has the advantage in football. The ACC has some good teams, but they don't have as many teams that are always top 10 or top 15 teams. In the SEC, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, LSU, and Auburn always have solid teams. The ACC has Miami and FSU who are always good. After that you have an occaisonal strong team from the ACC (VT this year for example).

On the other hand, basketball is a whole other story.

[GatorNation]

Just remember that the basics of Meyer's O aren't an unknown quantity and the film guys around the conference will have dissected it well enough to formulate countermeasures.

We'll see, Colonel. There was plenty of film for aTm and Cal and NC (who beat Miami) and Oregon and Mizzu (BG, 2001) and Pitt (etc.).....teams from the big, bad conferences--teams who, according to SEC-Talk logic, should have wiped the floor with Utah's inferior MAC athletes running a silly, gimmick offense that won't work against anyone except Southwest Tennessee State School of Sewing. ;)

Anyway, that's a dead horse I don't feel like beating anymore, because we should be beyond that at this point. If you refuse to believe Meyer (and/or his offense) is or could be the real deal until he beats UGA or UT in the Swamp in September, that's your right. We'll just have to see how it goes.

Point is this: You can't stop an offense, if you don't know what's coming. And THAT is Meyer's philosophy: get the defense flat-footed, waiting in reactive (not attacking) mode. I'm not saying we're gonna hang double nickels on everyone we play--or even that we're going to beat everyone we play--but game film 'aint gonna give you some magic potion. Stopping a potent offensive scheme is difficult to do. And the same thing can be said of many other highly potent offenses (Spurrier, Richt at F$U, Osborne's power-option, etc.). But when you blend the most difficult aspects of all the offenses, as Meyer's does, into one comprehensive attack, that makes it even more difficult against which to scheme.

I respect your opinion, but let's see how it plays out on the field before you hand in your verdict.

[GeauxTo]

I respect your opinion, but let's see how it plays out on the field before you hand in your verdict.
That's a two-way street, Gateaux. You, too, are assuming a lot before the first shot is fired. It could be that you are right on target and that Disturbin's offense will be a phenom in the SEC. But, you could be wrong because the caliber of the opposition on a weekly basis is going to be loaded with good coaching and good players. I'll say this. If Disturbin's offense can be figured out and stopped, it will be in the SEC that it will happen. He is, no doubt, a sharp guy with an excellent "philosophy" concerning offense and offensive schemes. But, he will be matching wits with some of the other best minds in college football this fall. You make a good point by saying, "let' see how it plays out on the field before you hand in your verdict."
;)

[autiger1126]

Isn't Utah in the MWC? I think Urban will do a good job. I think his offense will be good, not as good as it was with Utah last year, but good. He does a great job of preparing his team for one game. I'm not sure how he'll react with a lot harder schedule. We'll see. He had one game 1 against A&M which was a good win, and then he played Arizona, Utah State, Air Force, New Mexico, UNC (come on, so what if they beat Miami, obviously a huge screw up by Miami since UNC lost to Duke), UNLV, SDSU, Colorado State, BYU, and Pittsburgh. Every team that he played last year was unranked when they played them, and the same with the year before. Not one of the teams they played finished in the top 25. It's not like there defense was that great. I expect them to win some games, but I don't think his offense is gonna blow people away in the SEC.

[uscballer101]

Yeah, the type of defenses he will face are some of the best in the country...No let me re-phrase that...ARE the best in the country...I mean, Vandy has a better defense than most teams in the MWC...Urban will be alright, but he isnt going to roll over opponents or run up the score against any SEC teams...

[SilverBritches]

We'll see, Colonel. There was plenty of film for aTm and Cal and NC (who beat Miami) and Oregon and Mizzu (BG, 2001) and Pitt (etc.).....teams from the big, bad conferences--teams who, according to SEC-Talk logic, should have wiped the floor with Utah's inferior MAC athletes running a silly, gimmick offense that won't work against anyone except Southwest Tennessee State School of Sewing. ;)

Anyway, that's a dead horse I don't feel like beating anymore, because we should be beyond that at this point. If you refuse to believe Meyer (and/or his offense) is or could be the real deal until he beats UGA or UT in the Swamp in September, that's your right. We'll just have to see how it goes.

Point is this: You can't stop an offense, if you don't know what's coming. And THAT is Meyer's philosophy: get the defense flat-footed, waiting in reactive (not attacking) mode. I'm not saying we're gonna hang double nickels on everyone we play--or even that we're going to beat everyone we play--but game film 'aint gonna give you some magic potion. Stopping a potent offensive scheme is difficult to do. And the same thing can be said of many other highly potent offenses (Spurrier, Richt at F$U, Osborne's power-option, etc.). But when you blend the most difficult aspects of all the offenses, as Meyer's does, into one comprehensive attack, that makes it even more difficult against which to scheme.

I respect your opinion, but let's see how it plays out on the field before you hand in your verdict.

Isn't Oscar going to change his offense to suit your teams strengths and weaknesses? I thought I read something like that somewhere.

[ColonelKurtz]

No need to quote GN, he's drank the Kool-aid and is under the infulence of SubUrbanitis....

Bottom line is that IF SubUrban pull all this together this Fall, FU might have an extrodinary season. Sorry bub, but experience teaches us to be far less optomistic. What he did elsewhere is immaterial, THIS is the SEC and he's nothing but another in a long line of supposed to be's. While I'm happy that you're happy that he's here, he's gotta outsmart the smartest of them all.

Odds of that happening are better than you sleeping with Carmen Electra.

[GeauxTo]

No need to quote GN, he's drank the Kool-aid and is under the infulence of SubUrbanitis....

Bottom line is that IF SubUrban pull all this together this Fall, FU might have an extrodinary season. Sorry bub, but experience teaches us to be far less optomistic. What he did elsewhere is immaterial, THIS is the SEC and he's nothing but another in a long line of supposed to be's. While I'm happy that you're happy that he's here, he's gotta outsmart the smartest of them all.

Odds of that happening are better than you sleeping with Carmen Electra.
Very nice, Colonel! I especially like the term "SubUrban." It is almost as catchy as "Disturbin Urban."
;)

[SilverBritches]

Very nice, Colonel! I especially like the term "SubUrban." It is almost as catchy as "Disturbin Urban."
;)

Don't forget Oscar Meyer ;) .

[GeauxTo]

Don't forget Oscar Meyer ;) .
Right! I completely forgot about that one. Ha-Ha No responses yet from GateauxNation. He probably has a better social life than the rest of us who are here on a Saturday night enjoying our faithful SEC TALK friends.
;)

[GatorNation]

Right!Ha-Ha No responses yet from GateauxNation. He probably has a better social life than the rest of us who are here on a Saturday night enjoying our faithful SEC TALK friends.
;)

Yeah....I was out last night: Miss Electra was in town. ;)

Like I said in my post, Colonel, I'm not expecting a MNC in 2005, or even consistent wins of 50+ points next year. My point was simply that Meyer has an offensive philosophy that makes it difficult to gameplan each week. The film on UT will not be the game film you'd get after we play usc or Auburn, for example. The gameplan adjusts to (1) the athletes using it AND (2) the opponent. That was my point.

You're reading it like I'm saying Meyer is going to tear up the SEC in his first or second year, and that's not what I am saying....even though there have been some cases where that has happened (Tressel, Stoops, etc.). Meyer deserves your respect--even before he ever plays a game in the SEC--because of what he has been able to accomplish....and many of those things no other coach (including Spurrier) has been able to accomplish coming from a non-BCS conference (yes, au, the MWC). In my opinion, his accomplishments demand a presumtion of excellence. If he sucks, he sucks....and we'll get someone else. But based upon historical trends with successful coaches and the general outcome of their "promotions," the smart money is on Meyer.

And, Geaux, I don't know why you're jabbering on about Meyer.....you have enough problems with your "less"-than-proven, "less"-than-satisfactory HC, less Miles. It's not like he's done anything except randomly beat OU, go 1-4 against Texas Tech, and fail to even play for the big xii CG.

At least Richt did some things at F$U.... ;)


I think Urban will do a good job. I think his offense will be good, not as good as it was with Utah last year, but good. He does a great job of preparing his team for one game. I'm not sure how he'll react with a lot harder schedule. We'll see. He had one game 1 against A&M which was a good win, and then he played Arizona, Utah State, Air Force, New Mexico, UNC (come on, so what if they beat Miami, obviously a huge screw up by Miami since UNC lost to Duke), UNLV, SDSU, Colorado State, BYU, and Pittsburgh. Every team that he played last year was unranked when they played them, and the same with the year before. Not one of the teams they played finished in the top 25. It's not like there defense was that great. I expect them to win some games, but I don't think his offense is gonna blow people away in the SEC.

Well, a "good win" is certainly subjective....but you can't really argue with 10-0 against BCS teams. If you're still going to largely discredit the wins because they didn't come against USC, OU, Texas, Auburn, or Tennesshe, I think that's a bit unfair. They did what they had to do. I think aTm, at least, was ranked btw, and Missouri was picked to play for the big xii cg....so, let's not make it seem like the non-conference schedule was the equivalent of playing the Southwest Montana School of Cooking. Wins over teams that have solid talent--yes, even UNC--are worth something. And whether they deserved to be there or not, Pitt made a BCS bowl. That has to count for something.

Also, as an aside, I watched "Saw" the other day.....could be the best thriller I've seen. It comes highly recommended. :)

[autiger1126]

I thought Saw was pretty good. It had some good twists. I'd have to go with "Seven" being the best thriller I've ever seen.

I was really talking all about last year. Yes he did what he had to do to win, and that is good. aTm was a good team, probably the best they played all year. Yes, better than Pitt. But that is my point, no team was ranked when they played them, and no team they played finished the season ranked, whereas when he plays in the SEC, he will play about 5 teams a year that are ranked. Then again, his talent will be better. I'm not saying that their schedule was a cakewalk, but they definately had time to prepare for the only two tough games of the season (first week and last week of the year).

[GeauxTo]

And, Geaux, I don't know why you're jabbering on about Meyer.....you have enough problems with your "less"-than-proven, "less"-than-satisfactory HC, less Miles. It's not like he's done anything except randomly beat OU, go 1-4 against Texas Tech, and fail to even play for the big xii CG.
I heard this about Miles from the first week of spring practice. He is trying to develop a mindset of 3rd and 5, both offensively and defensively. He has been running the offense with 3rd and 5, saying how important it is offensively, because if you make it, your defense stays on the sideline and you keep going. He has been running the defense with 3rd and 5, saying how important it is defensively, because if you stop'em, your defense goes back to the sidelines and your offense comes back on the field. Our spring practice still has a ways to go. Spring Break comes next week, so they'll continue spring practice after a week off for Spring Break. Then, the Spring Game. We'll know more by then, I'm sure.

Oh, and I keep hearing that Disturbin Urbin continues to bellow disappointment with various things; of late, the Florida running game. But, who knows, that may be just a little psychology on his part. The man is no dummy; or, at least, I don't think he is. Guess we'll find out, though.
;)
;)

[USC_fanboy04]

I expect to see some serious smack talk after LSU and Florida play. =p

[GeauxTo]

I expect to see some serious smack talk after LSU and Florida play. =p
Yeah, I'll either be hiding under a rock or standing on top of one bellowing loudly!
;)

[nooneLT]

lol just like after the USC Bama game, a lot of people are gonna be eating crow and the others will be living high.

[BaYoU BeNgAlS]

Every year the ACC is supposed to be this super mega-power and every year they are a one team conference (last year: VT, year before: FSU) the SEC is top to bottom the best conference hands down. Next year we will sport 4 legit National Title contenders (LSU, UT, UGA, and FLA) and will likley have several other teams in the top 25 (Auburn, Bama, maybe even South Carolina.) The ACC is a good football conference but its only the best at basketball. Leave football to the big boys: the SEC.

[Sambacocker]

Since the original expansion(of both leagues)the SEC has won 4 NCs with 4 different teams. Auburn could've made it five this year given the opportunity. The ACC has won two, both were FSU which is an expansion team. The ACC can really only brag about the teams it has added. They can't talk about sustained success of the league. And since joining the league, FSU is 96-7 against the ACC and 9-7-1 against the SEC. Tell me which one is better?

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/confres.pl?start=1992&end=2004&team=Florida+State&limit=50

[BaYoU BeNgAlS]

Amen dude, The SEC can't be stopped. Plus the hardest places to play are in the SEC.

[GeauxTo]

Every year the ACC is supposed to be this super mega-power and every year they are a one team conference (last year: VT, year before: FSU) the SEC is top to bottom the best conference hands down. Next year we will sport 4 legit National Title contenders (LSU, UT, UGA, and FLA) and will likley have several other teams in the top 25 (Auburn, Bama, maybe even South Carolina.) The ACC is a good football conference but its only the best at basketball. Leave football to the big boys: the SEC.
Now that's a nice, sensible post, BaYoU! Very true. Let us big boys in the SEC handle the football.
;)

[nooneLT]

i think the Big lEast is worse than the ACC, and they get an automatic BCS bowl bid too -_-

[uscballer101]

yeah, they suck, that auto bid should be taken away...

[GatorNation]

Now that's a nice, sensible post, BaYoU! Very true. Let us big boys in the SEC handle the football.
;)

See, he IS teaching his "mini me," lol. :D

[BaYoU BeNgAlS]

See, he IS teaching his "mini me," lol. :D


Your just mad your the only loser who likes UF on this post :p

[GatorNation]

Your just mad your the only loser who likes UF on this post :p

FYI, that would be "you're" not "your." If you're going to post, at least get your English squared away, mmmmk?

[GeauxTo]

FYI, that would be "you're" not "your." If you're going to post, at least get your English squared away, mmmmk?
I thought he said he was a law student?! Maybe he CLEPed English!?
;)