View Full Version : USC Receivers Kicked Off Team?
According to what I am being told, it is being debated on whether the administration should kick Noah Whiteside off the team for his role in the laptop thefts. Apparently from what I'm being told is that he and Troy Williamson are the only ones implicated in this matter.
Also, I have heard that Troy Williamson was given a choice. He could return to USC with a revoked scolly or he could forgo his senior year and enter the draft. As you know, he chose the latter. It surely would explain why Spurrier is seriously pursuing WR's. As I hear more, I will surely pass it on.
GRASSHOPPER
01-04-2005, 03:41 PM
Not Suprising!
Not Suprising!
Like I said....The moment I hear more, I'll pass it on.
I'm beyond pissed off at Andrew Sorensen right now, and MGee is not far behind.....
I'm beyond pissed off at Andrew Sorensen right now, and MGee is not far behind.....
I have a feeling it's going to get better!!! :rolleyes:
BTW: What are your thoughts on this???
rebeldude
01-04-2005, 04:26 PM
Like I said....The moment I hear more, I'll pass it on.
Do you know who was responsible for making the decision to release the players? Was it Spurier?
Do you know who was responsible for making the decision to release the players? Was it Spurier?
I was told that McGee and Sorenson approached Spurrier and requested his imput. He (Spurrier) said that he thought the players should be removed and has taken a stance with McGee and Sorenson.
rebeldude
01-04-2005, 04:32 PM
I was told that McGee and Sorenson approached Spurrier and requested his imput. He (Spurrier) said that he thought the players should be removed and has taken a stance with McGee and Sorenson.
I don't know all the circumstances involving these players, therefore am reluctant to offer an opinion, however if these player were indeed involved in theft of any property, the administration including Spurrier are doing the right thing by letting them go Imo
I don't know all the circumstances involving these players, therefore am reluctant to offer an opinion, however if these player were indeed involved in theft of any property, the administration including Spurrier are doing the right thing by letting them go Imo
I agree 110%. It's just that this situation is being kept VERY HUSH HUSH! You can ask RW, the media isn't even reporting on this.
rebeldude
01-04-2005, 04:42 PM
I agree 110%. It's just that this situation is being kept VERY HUSH HUSH! You can ask RW, the media isn't even reporting on this.
The Admin doen't want to upset "Real football fans" lol Kinda like Phil didn't want too either. HA
Maybe????
Everybody in SC knows about it. They just aren't releasing anymore details about it to the public.
dudeman0501
01-04-2005, 04:50 PM
Actually, this is so hush-hush, that I am going to have to delete this thread and ban DeL for talking about it.
;)
Payindews
01-04-2005, 04:52 PM
Why are they keeping it so hush hush? Are they concerned about recruiting? I just hope I see a new SC team this year with more discipline and POINTS. I am tired of being the butt of jokes with the guys at the water cooler.
TW and NW should leave the team if that is the kind of leadership they would bring to Gamecock Football. I want to see players more humble and grateful rather than egotistical. (sp)
dudeman0501
01-04-2005, 04:53 PM
Seriously though, it is odd that no one is talking about it.
Actually, this is so hush-hush, that I am going to have to delete this thread and ban DeL for talking about it.
;)
The facts are:
After it was decided that USC was not going to a bowl, apparently three (3) players took it upon themselves to steal 16K worth of electronic equipment including; laptops, projectors, DVD-R's, ect, ect.
All of the items were returned the next day except for the laptops. The administration does not know who the third individual was and I really don't think they ever will unless Whiteside or Williamson snitches on him.
dudeman0501
01-04-2005, 04:58 PM
The facts are:
After it was decided that USC was not going to a bowl, apparently three (3) players took it upon themselves to steal 16K worth of electronic equipment including; laptops, projectors, DVD-R's, ect, ect.
Now that is just stupid. Why in the world would someone feel like they need to steal stuff, especially if they know that they could jeopardize their football career.
Now that is just stupid. Why in the world would someone feel like they need to steal stuff, especially if they know that they could jeopardize their football career.
Idiots!!!
That's why I support McGee and Sorenson kicking the boys off of the team. In their defense, they did bring it back the next day, but that's besides the point. Where's the loyalty to the school that has given so much to you?
Everything but 1 laptop is returned so far, if everything is returned then I don't think anyone should be punished. The reason they did it was not for fun. They were pissed off that they gave 4 years of their life to the program/state/university and were denied a bowl b/c Sorensen wanted to look good, that's all that it's about, Sorensen wanted to look good and punished everyone on the team, not just ppl involved in the brawl. I would agree to kick them off, but the crime was done under high emotions, and remorse was obvious b/c they returned 99% of the stuff. They were just mad, if you ask me they shouldn't have stolen anything but should have showed up at sorensen's office and pummeled his lilly, faggot, linguini-spined ass. That would have gotten the message across...
Everything but 1 laptop is returned so far, if everything is returned then I don't think anyone should be punished. The reason they did it was not for fun. They were pissed off that they gave 4 years of their life to the program/state/university and were denied a bowl b/c Sorensen wanted to look good, that's all that it's about, Sorensen wanted to look good and punished everyone on the team, not just ppl involved in the brawl. I would agree to kick them off, but the crime was done under high emotions, and remorse was obvious b/c they returned 99% of the stuff. They were just mad, if you ask me they shouldn't have stolen anything but should have showed up at sorensen's office and pummeled his lilly, faggot, linguini-spined ass. That would have gotten the message across...
I understand your thoughts completely. Look at the situation as a whole...
#1. You punish the team with no bowl game. Punishment Accepted
#2. Now you punish players individually with suspensions. Punishment Accepted/Starting to go overboard.
#3. Then you punish the players by not having a seniors banquet. Punishment is now going overboard.
How many times are you going to punish these individuals over one incident. The suspension and lack of bowl game should have been enough. When is the punishing going to end?
As for the theft, yes everything was returned except for a laptop. All of this was probably done out of anger and raw emotion and if they wanted to make a statement, I doubt they would have brought back the stuff the very next day. The fact that Whiteside/Williamson has NOT brought back the laptop (Valued at 6K) warrants them to kick his butt out of the school. Just my 0.02.
cocky4ever
01-04-2005, 05:57 PM
I understand your thoughts completely. Look at the situation as a whole...
#1. You punish the team with no bowl game. Punishment Accepted
#2. Now you punish players individually with suspensions. Punishment Accepted/Starting to go overboard.
#3. Then you punish the players by not having a seniors banquet. Punishment is now going overboard.
How many times are you going to punish these individuals over one incident. The suspension and lack of bowl game should have been enough. When is the punishing going to end?
As for the theft, yes everything was returned except for a laptop. All of this was probably done out of anger and raw emotion and if they wanted to make a statement, I doubt they would have brought back the stuff the very next day. The fact that Whiteside/Williamson has NOT brought back the laptop (Valued at 6K) warrants them to kick his butt out of the school. Just my 0.02.
Indeed this is a tricky situation to handle. I think at the VERY least they should have given the seniors their banquet. That is just a slap in the face to the players who have worked so hard on the field. If the success rate been higher for these players over the last few years they would have had the banquet. I think not having a banquet for them is also due in part to the Gamecocks not making it to a bowl the last 2 years. The school feels let down. As far as kicking players off the team, the action was obviously done in the heat of the moment. Even in court that defense will greatly reduce the punishment. Also the fact that most of the equipment was returned is a sign that they realized it was wrong after looking at the situation with a clearer head. I would say that a 1-3 game suspension for Whiteside would be fair. The punishment given to the players who played a large role in the brawl was only a 1 game suspension. Are we telling our players that it is much better to participate in what was basically a riot than it is to steal? Both actions should be punished but I dont think one is that much better or worse than the other. With the great WR's that are showing interest Whiteside would have to work that much harder to get playing time and that would show that he is serious about this team. Should he be punished? Deifinatly. Should he kicked off the team? Certainly not.
Indeed this is a tricky situation to handle. I think at the VERY least they should have given the seniors their banquet. That is just a slap in the face to the players who have worked so hard on the field. If the success rate been higher for these players over the last few years they would have had the banquet. I think not having a banquet for them is also due in part to the Gamecocks not making it to a bowl the last 2 years. The school feels let down. As far as kicking players off the team, the action was obviously done in the heat of the moment. Even in court that defense will greatly reduce the punishment. Also the fact that most of the equipment was returned is a sign that they realized it was wrong after looking at the situation with a clearer head. I would say that a 1-3 game suspension for Whiteside would be fair. The punishment given to the players who played a large role in the brawl was only a 1 game suspension. Are we telling our players that it is much better to participate in what was basically a riot than it is to steal? Both actions should be punished but I dont think one is that much better or worse than the other. With the great WR's that are showing interest Whiteside would have to work that much harder to get playing time and that would show that he is serious about this team. Should he be punished? Deifinatly. Should he kicked off the team? Certainly not.
I agree with you on all points except for the Whiteside incident. The thing that bothers me is the fact that he still HASN'T returned the laptop. That's why I think that the school is seeking to kick him out.
Beebop
01-05-2005, 10:46 AM
Good for them, if they were guilty of the accusations being placed upon them, then they should remove them from the team. You have to be accountable for your actions and if they did do it then they disrespected the institution that was giving them a free education. Some thanks huh! There are plenty of other recievers already at the school as well as being recruited. Losing Whiteside would not be make or break for us.
SPURED
01-05-2005, 12:22 PM
you said there was a third person right? maybe the missing laptop is also with the third person involved. i really hate to see all this happening(poor ole lou) just find it funny that everyone in the state is talking about it but they are still keeping it on the down low. just let us know!
you said there was a third person right? maybe the missing laptop is also with the third person involved. i really hate to see all this happening(poor ole lou) just find it funny that everyone in the state is talking about it but they are still keeping it on the down low. just let us know!
No problem dude....Will do... :)
USAFGAMECOCK
01-05-2005, 03:14 PM
No problem dude....Will do... :)
So all of this is just speculation right? I'm not calling anybody in here or liar or anything, but if it's just on the rumor mill, how much faith can we put in to it? Don't get me wrong, if it's true, then criminal charges should be brought forth, and like I said, I'm not questioning any of you, I just find it strange that nothing has been said as far as an official statement. This is the first I've heard of any of this, but I'm also living in Macon, which probably explains why this is the first I've heard. Anyway, this is certainly a shocker if it is in fact true!
So all of this is just speculation right? I'm not calling anybody in here or liar or anything, but if it's just on the rumor mill, how much faith can we put in to it? Don't get me wrong, if it's true, then criminal charges should be brought forth, and like I said, I'm not questioning any of you, I just find it strange that nothing has been said as far as an official statement. This is the first I've heard of any of this, but I'm also living in Macon, which probably explains why this is the first I've heard. Anyway, this is certainly a shocker if it is in fact true!
It's no rumor USAF. This is the real deal. :( The university is keeping this VERY VERY quiet.
GRASSHOPPER
01-05-2005, 03:58 PM
Delo Is Usually Right! I Will Trust His Sources Until He Lets Me Down!
Delo Is Usually Right! I Will Trust His Sources Until He Lets Me Down!
I have been given bad info before. It's not often though. :)
USAFGAMECOCK
01-05-2005, 04:19 PM
Delo Is Usually Right! I Will Trust His Sources Until He Lets Me Down!
Oh like I said, I'm not questioning anybody on here. I trust ya'lls info, it's not like I have a whole lot of choice anyway since I didn't no anything about this, and the fact that USC people look out for one another, so I don't think ya'll would feed me some BS intentionally! As far as I'm concerned, Troy is gone, and that's that. We'll still play next season so I'm not going to dwell on what did or didn't happen with all that mess.
GRASSHOPPER
01-05-2005, 04:21 PM
Let It All Shake Out And Look To The Future-- I'm With You Usaf! You Usally Get What You Deserve In Life!
USAFGAMECOCK
01-05-2005, 04:25 PM
Let It All Shake Out And Look To The Future-- I'm With You Usaf! You Usally Get What You Deserve In Life!
And as much as USC fans have been through over the past several years, I'd say we deserve some kick ass football seasons in the near future! Man, all this talk makes me wish I could fast forward to September!
GRASSHOPPER
01-05-2005, 04:27 PM
I Just Can't Wait Until April For The Spring Game!
USAFGAMECOCK
01-05-2005, 04:29 PM
I Just Can't Wait Until April For The Spring Game!
You mean the "Garnet and Black" game right?? ;)
GRASSHOPPER
01-05-2005, 04:32 PM
Oh Yea! We Will Call It The Sos Debut Game! Sos' S.c. Coming Out Party Game!
USAFGAMECOCK
01-05-2005, 04:36 PM
Oh Yea! We Will Call It The Sos Debut Game! Sos' S.c. Coming Out Party Game!
I think that's one of the first things SS did when he got to Columbia...I think he asked McGee what we called the spring game and Mcgee said...the spring game....so SS renamed it the Garnet and Black game. See there...he's laying down the law from the get go!
I think that's one of the first things SS did when he got to Columbia...I think he asked McGee what we called the spring game and Mcgee said...the spring game....so SS renamed it the Garnet and Black game. See there...he's laying down the law from the get go!
Yep yup yep!!! :D
WayzUp
01-06-2005, 04:23 AM
Not to beat an already dead horse but has anyone brought up the possibility that the reason that last laptop wasn't returned is because it's not in any shape to be returned? As in, they stole the stuff, went to whoever's house/apartment still peeved and smashed the first thing they grabbed out of the bag (so to speak). Then reality comes crashing back down around them, they spend the night scared to death and return everything else the next morning.
I was a pretty good troublemaker during my days at USC and I can EASILY see something like this happening. Either way, that laptop is gone and so should those responsible for taking it and everything else. I'm glad Spurrier took a hard stance on this....while I don't agree with them not holding a Senior's Banquet, it was good to see off-the-field "incidents" will not go unpunished.
Now....what's up with Demetris Summers? Is he going to be so injury prone forever or was this past season an abberration?
USAFGAMECOCK
01-06-2005, 07:26 AM
Not to beat an already dead horse but has anyone brought up the possibility that the reason that last laptop wasn't returned is because it's not in any shape to be returned? As in, they stole the stuff, went to whoever's house/apartment still peeved and smashed the first thing they grabbed out of the bag (so to speak). Then reality comes crashing back down around them, they spend the night scared to death and return everything else the next morning.
I was a pretty good troublemaker during my days at USC and I can EASILY see something like this happening. Either way, that laptop is gone and so should those responsible for taking it and everything else. I'm glad Spurrier took a hard stance on this....while I don't agree with them not holding a Senior's Banquet, it was good to see off-the-field "incidents" will not go unpunished.
Now....what's up with Demetris Summers? Is he going to be so injury prone forever or was this past season an abberration?
I hope Summers isn't so injury prone this season also....he has a ton of talent, we need him to use it for us
I hope Summers isn't so injury prone this season also....he has a ton of talent, we need him to use it for us
He's injury prone because he's not big enough. This past season, he sat on his butt eating bag after bag of cheet-o's and didn't hit the weight room. He needs to bulk up some if he wants to stay healthy.
GRASSHOPPER
01-06-2005, 01:01 PM
Ever Noticed How Skinny His Lower Legs And Ankles Are?
Ever Noticed How Skinny His Lower Legs And Ankles Are?
Yep.
Part of it is Holtz's fault. He did not lay down the law with this kid. That's why he couldn't pass his physical test.
WayzUp
01-06-2005, 01:37 PM
I guess the question is then....will Spurrier put the spurs to this kid and get him to work hard or is that why there is so much recruit talk on HB's and/or TB's?
Summers has shown flashes of being something very special. I can't believe he'd just laze it away like that....
GRASSHOPPER
01-06-2005, 01:46 PM
Yep.
Part of it is Holtz's fault. He did not lay down the law with this kid. That's why he couldn't pass his physical test.IT TOOK HIM AWHILE --DAMN WHAT A TEST THAT WAS FOR THEM TO PASS.
JBryant12
01-06-2005, 02:04 PM
I think that they should give the players another chance perhaps as a walk on or partial scholarship because i can understand they were really upset aobut the bowl game and didn't they give the stuff back? meaning they realized they made a mistake and tried to make it right.
I think that they should give the players another chance perhaps as a walk on or partial scholarship because i can understand they were really upset aobut the bowl game and didn't they give the stuff back? meaning they realized they made a mistake and tried to make it right.
Where's the other laptop? As far as I am being told, it still hasn't been returned. The laptop was valued at 6K and that's not including the software that was on it.
cocky4ever
01-06-2005, 05:12 PM
Where's the other laptop? As far as I am being told, it still hasn't been returned. The laptop was valued at 6K and that's not including the software that was on it.
We will probably never know what happened to that laptop. If it was worth that much than whoever stole it from the school had it stolen from them.
USAFGAMECOCK
01-06-2005, 05:15 PM
Where's the other laptop? As far as I am being told, it still hasn't been returned. The laptop was valued at 6K and that's not including the software that was on it.
That is one expensive ass laptop! They could have gotten 4 of mine for that cost! :eek: :D
That is one expensive ass laptop! They could have gotten 4 of mine for that cost! :eek: :D
Those business IBM Thinkpads are pretty high dude. I saw one for 4500 with my own eyes.
It may be a customized machine too! We really didn't get into that many details.
USAFGAMECOCK
01-06-2005, 05:21 PM
Those business IBM Thinkpads are pretty high dude. I saw one for 4500 with my own eyes.
It may be a customized machine too! We really didn't get into that many details.
That's some crazy stuff....I guess if you sale out an 80k + stadium every game at about $30 a ticket, charge $4 for hotdogs/Cokes, and have several rich alumni chunking in millions, you can afford fancy laptops... :D
That's some crazy stuff....I guess if you sale out an 80k + stadium every game at about $30 a ticket, charge $4 for hotdogs/Cokes, and have several rich alumni chunking in millions, you can afford fancy laptops... :D
Good point!!! LOL :)
CockyTatGuy
01-07-2005, 09:59 AM
Why are they keeping it so hush hush? Are they concerned about recruiting? I just hope I see a new SC team this year with more discipline and POINTS. I am tired of being the butt of jokes with the guys at the water cooler.
More discipline points, yeah, we need to do like I always do and keep the Training and Recruiting budget at 33% and move the Discipline up. Oh wait you said discipline and points, sorry I am still in mourning (my Xbox went out and I haven't been able to play NCAA Football for a few weeks, that is the most addicting series ever.)
WayzUp
01-07-2005, 10:14 AM
More discipline points, yeah, we need to do like I always do and keep the Training and Recruiting budget at 33% and move the Discipline up. Oh wait you said discipline and points, sorry I am still in mourning (my Xbox went out and I haven't been able to play NCAA Football for a few weeks, that is the most addicting series ever.)
Try NCAA College Hoops 2K5...you speak of addicting, this game is IT.
MEGACOCKFAN
01-07-2005, 04:14 PM
Is everybody excited as I am about SOS!?!?!
Is everybody excited as I am about SOS!?!?!
I think excited is an understatement. :D
BlackstockGAMECOCK
01-07-2005, 06:10 PM
Ecstatic!!!!!!
MEGACOCKFAN
01-07-2005, 09:20 PM
I'm new on this board , I think I will love it , if I can EVER figure out what I'm doing here , as far as posting goes! Please hang in there with me , I'm just a dumb woman! :)
wow, alot of gamecock fans on here now, and megacockfan, welcome aboard, great to have a female SC fan on here, keep at it, and you'll learn to like it....
MEGACOCKFAN
01-07-2005, 11:12 PM
Is there anything better than being a GAMECOCKFAN!?
rabidcock
01-08-2005, 09:50 AM
Is there anything better than being a GAMECOCKFAN!?
If someone had looked into their "crystal ball" eight years ago and told you that the legendary Lou Holtz would become the future head coach of USC football, and then, upon his retirement, be succeeded by Steve Spurrier, what would your response have been to that bit of information?
[Answer: They would have been laughed off the face of the earth.]
COCKSTER
01-08-2005, 10:40 AM
These kids are getting a free education & are allowed to play football.They usually get
special treatment & they steal from the school that is providing that education!! NO NO
it's time these young men accept respondsibility for there actions!! They were acting
like a "spoiled child" when they took that equipment & should be punished.
Understand that there are plenty of kids,in this country who would love to play football
& receive a free education to boot!!
We now have Spurrier.We do not need these guys to have a winner!!
COCKSTER
01-08-2005, 10:44 AM
These kids are getting a free education & are allowed to play football.They usually get
special treatment & they steal from the school that is providing that education!! NO NO
it's time these young men accept respondsibility for there actions!! They were acting
like a "spoiled child" when they took that equipment & should be punished.
Understand that there are plenty of kids,in this country who would love to play football
& receive a free education to boot!!
We now have Spurrier.We do not need these guys to have a winner!!
GO COCKS,GO SPUR
These kids are getting a free education & are allowed to play football.They usually get
special treatment & they steal from the school that is providing that education!! NO NO
it's time these young men accept respondsibility for there actions!! They were acting
like a "spoiled child" when they took that equipment & should be punished.
Understand that there are plenty of kids,in this country who would love to play football
& receive a free education to boot!!
We now have Spurrier.We do not need these guys to have a winner!!
I have to agree Cockster. You make a few valid points.
rabidcock
01-08-2005, 10:59 AM
I have to agree Cockster. You make a few valid points.
I agree, as well. Theft can not be tolerated; after the fight, this amounted to a repeat offense.
By the way Del, congrats on the administrative position!
I agree, as well. Theft can not be tolerated; after the fight, this amounted to a repeat offense.
By the way Del, congrats on the administrative position!
Thank you Rabid! :)
I've been here and paid my dues. You can probably tell that by my post count.
MEGACOCKFAN
01-08-2005, 01:04 PM
Stealing is stealing and if some of them get by with it now, it could lead to bigger things in years to come.I trust SOS will do what he has to do. I'm just ready for some Gamecock basketball tonight! I'm ready to do the Basketball thing , the Baseball thing , ready for a Spring game and then I ready for some FUN AND GUN ! I think I will be very very excited and very very proud of my youngsters this year !!LOL
Stealing is stealing and if some of them get by with it now, it could lead to bigger things in years to come.I trust SOS will do what he has to do. I'm just ready for some Gamecock basketball tonight! I'm ready to do the Basketball thing , the Baseball thing , ready for a Spring game and then I ready for some FUN AND GUN ! I think I will be very very excited and very very proud of my youngsters this year !!LOL
That reminds me, for those that don't know. The USC/UGA Basketball game will be televised on FOX Sports South at 8pm.
JBryant12
01-08-2005, 01:08 PM
Congrats Delo
Congrats Delo
Thanks JB! :)
MEGACOCKFAN
01-08-2005, 02:25 PM
A big congrats to you my new friend DELO! You were the first to welcome me to this board!
A big congrats to you my new friend DELO! You were the first to welcome me to this board!
;) Back at ya! :)
USAFGAMECOCK
01-08-2005, 03:28 PM
Congrats Del....
Congrats Del....
Thanks USAF. :)
AuburnandGamecockGirl
01-08-2005, 06:57 PM
They must have been keeping this hush hush in SC. I don't know what hole I have been stuck in but this is the first I have heard of all this stealing laptops and computer equipment by members of the football team or about the dismissal of any players. Good grief! I hope the team doesn't hurt by not having Troy Williamson.
They must have been keeping this hush hush in SC. I don't know what hole I have been stuck in but this is the first I have heard of all this stealing laptops and computer equipment by members of the football team or about the dismissal of any players. Good grief! I hope the team doesn't hurt by not having Troy Williamson.
Troy Williamson was involved in the thefts. :(
JBryant12
01-08-2005, 07:01 PM
and Noah Whiteside...sadly
AuburnandGamecockGirl
01-08-2005, 08:15 PM
I applaud the administration for dismissing the players, even though they were key players for the team. The players knew better than that and should have known the repercussions for committing such an act.
Gamecock47
01-10-2005, 06:31 AM
if this is true...they should have been kicked off the team...
I'm beyond pissed off at Andrew Sorensen right now, and MGee is not far behind.....
UPDATE: The university is supposed to release a statement within the coming weeks about this. :)
pc72687
01-16-2005, 08:11 PM
I am grateful as a Gamecock fan that Steve Spurrier is taking this stance. Obviously we have some players on the team that don't have any sense of deciency and Spurrier taking a hard stance now will make it better for the future. Once again Spurrier is making good choices for the University of South Carolina.
I am grateful as a Gamecock fan that Steve Spurrier is taking this stance. Obviously we have some players on the team that don't have any sense of deciency and Spurrier taking a hard stance now will make it better for the future. Once again Spurrier is making good choices for the University of South Carolina.
I agree 150%. Spurrier comes across to me as a no "BS" kinda guy. You either pass and act accordingly or you don't play. :D
GTmorris1970
01-17-2005, 05:58 AM
I agree 150%. Spurrier comes across to me as a no "BS" kinda guy. You either pass and act accordingly or you don't play. :D
Me too. And, no more of that dad gum fried chicken!! :p
TrueGamecock
01-17-2005, 06:52 AM
:) I have to tell you, i have been reading post on this borad for a couple of weeks now. i currently overseas with the military and this keeps me up to date on the Gamecocks. thanks for all your post.
Stockcock
01-17-2005, 07:07 AM
:) I have to tell you, i have been reading post on this borad for a couple of weeks now. i currently overseas with the military and this keeps me up to date on the Gamecocks. thanks for all your post.
Hey - no problem. Thank you for serving our country.
:)
Stockcock
01-17-2005, 07:10 AM
I agree 150%. Spurrier comes across to me as a no "BS" kinda guy. You either pass and act accordingly or you don't play. :D
I think that is true. Holtz got too "grandfatherly" with the players. The Derek Watson thing was the turning point. For the sake of the team he should have been booted off sooner.
:) I have to tell you, i have been reading post on this borad for a couple of weeks now. i currently overseas with the military and this keeps me up to date on the Gamecocks. thanks for all your post.
Welcome to the site TrueGamecock! If you ever need anything, feel free to PM me.
PS: Thanks for what you're doing for us! :D
In response to the thefts:
As for what I was told concerning the thefts, I have already made a call and chewed some butt. I was given bad information and if Noah or Troy were right in front of me right now, I would apologize profusely for this situation.
I deemed the info I received legit because of who it came from. I am now thinking that maybe this situation was being kept very quiet and this individual that gave me this information was speculating at best.
I will admit to the fact that I am wrong from time to time. That much is certain. When I am wrong, I always hold my head high and admit when I'm wrong. Is that the right thing to do? Yes! It's the "adult" thing to do.
cocky4ever
01-21-2005, 07:33 PM
In response to the thefts:
As for what I was told concerning the thefts, I have already made a call and chewed some butt. I was given bad information and if Noah or Troy were right in front of me right now, I would apologize profusely for this situation.
I deemed the info I received legit because of who it came from. I am now thinking that maybe this situation was being kept very quiet and this individual that gave me this information was speculating at best.
I will admit to the fact that I am wrong from time to time. That much is certain. When I am wrong, I always hold my head high and admit when I'm wrong. Is that the right thing to do? Yes! It's the "adult" thing to do.
I respect your response to this. From the time I've been on here you have proved to be accurate a very large part of the time. Everyone comes across bad information sometimes.
Drakeman
01-22-2005, 03:14 AM
I will admit to the fact that I am wrong from time to time. That much is certain. When I am wrong, I always hold my head high and admit when I'm wrong. Is that the right thing to do? Yes! It's the "adult" thing to do.
Absolutely Monroe & that's all anyone can do. Nobody's perfect so you just keep passing along info & continue to substantiate it when you can, & at the same time shoot it down when you find out it's bad or inaccurate info.
I doubt anyone here's keeping score.
King Ward
01-22-2005, 08:19 AM
Now that is just stupid. Why in the world would someone feel like they need to steal stuff, especially if they know that they could jeopardize their football career.These are not particularly cerebral people, Man. No future PHD's in this group. These people operate on a visceral level. They are thugs.
What did I tell you, Mutha!! :p
Stockcock
01-22-2005, 09:23 AM
Hey King Ward. Glad you joined us over here. The conversations have been kinda dull. ;) Seriously, I have missed your posts since AST has been down.
cocky4ever
01-22-2005, 09:30 AM
These are not particularly cerebral people, Man. No future PHD's in this group. These people operate on a visceral level. They are thugs.
What did I tell you, Mutha!! :p
How would you feel in their situation? You worked so hard to do good. Went through so many coaches and dissapointing seasons. After going to Lou Holtz' classes about teamwork and coming together to be better people. They ran the plays last season very well and were better than their record shows. Even Lou Holtz took part of the blame this year because of coaching. After they become bowl eligible they get blown out by chumpson far worse than the score shows. Those 7 points came on a miracle. We were down late in the game and still getting the qb with a bad ankle to run the ball 50% of the time. A lot of emotions came out about the last 3 years during that game and in the weeks following. Even Lou Holtz praised Rodriques Wilson all year as being such a model student athlete of our football team. I will trust Lou Holtz' assessment of his character. All you are using is a label to define something which you know very little about.
JBryant12
01-22-2005, 09:37 AM
I agree with some of your points i mean you cant judge a person on one action however stupid it was. If you take the worst thing you have ever done would you really want someone to judge you on that alone? I know i wouldnt.
I agree with some of your points i mean you cant judge a person on one action however stupid it was. If you take the worst thing you have ever done would you really want someone to judge you on that alone? I know i wouldnt.
No way...Not me! LOL!
I would be done for! :D
UPDATE:
This was posted on another site:
It was reported on Sports Talk radio last night that it was the practice of the senior players to be allowed to take the photographs of themselves at the end of the season. IF SO then the players who only took the photographs of themselves are NOT GUILTY under South Carolina Code Section 16-13-30 which deals with the common law crime of petit larceny. There are several elements to larceny but in this case the most important one is that "If the accused have taken the goods under a claim of right, however unfounded, he has not committed a larceny." Obviously Sorenson has not sought the advice of the University's lawyers in this witch hunt, else three, maybe four of these young men would never have been charged. Newton is on the bubble because he wasn't a senior and took a photograph of himself and Lou Holtz, in his case it would depend if this was also traditionally allowed. But for three of these young men a great injustice has been done and if I was in their shoes I'd sue the crap out of Sorenson.
Now for the two who took laptops and video equipment let justice take its course.
JBryant12
01-22-2005, 10:03 AM
With Newton takin the picture of Lou it shows loyalty...however he shouldnt have done it because it might jepordize his college career.
With Newton takin the picture of Lou it shows loyalty...however he shouldnt have done it because it might jepordize his college career.
If it's true about the pictures, then someone needs to do something. :D
King Ward
01-22-2005, 10:46 AM
How would you feel in their situation? See, that's just the point. There goes someone feeling again. Feeling is what screws people up. That's why thinking has to come to the fore sometime.
There's a place for feeling, but this ain't that kind of place.
CockyTatGuy
01-22-2005, 11:35 AM
King what exactly is the UPC tigers... the University of Pickens County... cuz if so I am moving.
King what exactly is the UPC tigers... the University of Pickens County... cuz if so I am moving.
:D :) :D :) :D :) :D :) :D :)
Stockcock
01-22-2005, 02:42 PM
With Newton takin the picture of Lou it shows loyalty...however he shouldnt have done it because it might jepordize his college career.
I don't know for sure, but I think the picture was of Lou and Syvelle together. If so, it was probably more about Syvelle than him wanting a picture of Lou.
Anyway, of them all Newton is the one who can probably come back. Now that Whiteside has been exonerated that means we "might" have two receivers with experience coming back. Telfort is gone (the most serious of all the charges) and I thought St. Preaux had used his eligibility up. Pinkins I know is finished as is Wilson.
Frankly, if they are thugs I just as soon they leave. I'm sure Spurrier has no place for kids like that on his teams.
King Ward
01-22-2005, 09:43 PM
King what exactly is the UPC tigers... the University of Pickens County... cuz if so I am moving.That's exactly right. I coined that term on AST to counter a UPC fan who tried to assert that they were THE University of South Carolina.
We all know how absurd that assertion is; but so they could be the university of something or somewhere, I made them the University or Pickens County, or UPC. I never refer to them in any other way on any board on which I post.
Garnet&BlackAttack
01-23-2005, 12:02 AM
Good Job in blaming Whiteside for stealing labtops, when he is really innocent...real inside information I tell ya.
Good Job in blaming Whiteside for stealing labtops, when he is really innocent...real inside information I tell ya.
Garnet,
I go by the information that was given to me. Maybe you should read a few posts back before you start flaming. Just a little advice. Page 9 to be exact. :D
GTmorris1970
01-23-2005, 01:22 AM
Garnet,
I go by the information that was given to me. Maybe you should read a few posts back before you start flaming. Just a little advice. Page 9 to be exact. :D
One other note, through life experience I have learned that just because he was not sitting in jail with the others, does not NECESSARILY mean he was not involved. I am not saying he is, and i'm not saying he isn't. I am simply saying that your info. may or may not have been accurate. That is why I do not get all up in arms about these things. It may simply be that he was lucky enough to not have enough evidence against him to be charged. It has also been reported just today that more arrests are possible. Who is to say it's not him. Anyway, I have been keeping up with this, being a criminal justice major and all, and this is my opinion on the whole thing. If they are guilty of a crime, they should be punished. If they are not, I am sure the judge will let them go. They should not be judged as football players, but normal members of society, and go through the same process anyone else should have to go through. If they are convicted, IMO, should be released from the football team. This program has had enough black eyes, and are these the type of individuals we want representing our program on Saturday afternoon? IMO, let's clean this program up NOW, and look for brighter days in the years ago with Steve Spurrier. Hope I didn't ramble too much!! :)
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cocky4ever
01-23-2005, 07:38 AM
One other note, through life experience I have learned that just because he was not sitting in jail with the others, does not NECESSARILY mean he was not involved. I am not saying he is, and i'm not saying he isn't. I am simply saying that your info. may or may not have been accurate. That is why I do not get all up in arms about these things. It may simply be that he was lucky enough to not have enough evidence against him to be charged. It has also been reported just today that more arrests are possible. Who is to say it's not him. Anyway, I have been keeping up with this, being a criminal justice major and all, and this is my opinion on the whole thing. If they are guilty of a crime, they should be punished. If they are not, I am sure the judge will let them go. They should not be judged as football players, but normal members of society, and go through the same process anyone else should have to go through. If they are convicted, IMO, should be released from the football team. This program has had enough black eyes, and are these the type of individuals we want representing our program on Saturday afternoon? IMO, let's clean this program up NOW, and look for brighter days in the years ago with Steve Spurrier. Hope I didn't ramble too much!! :)
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I agree that they should be punished if they are guilty and should be looked at as regular students because we shouldnt put them on a different level just because they play football. I dont know all the details so I cant judge them or say what should happen to them for punishment. What I do know is that I trust Spurrier to do what is right for the team. He knows how to run a team and knows the importance of education and behavior. Most other coaches I would feel nervous about having here when something like this happened, but with Spurrier running things I think we can feel better that he will take the best steps towards fixing this situation and the team.
Chikin Scratch
01-23-2005, 09:27 AM
I haven't read all the posts in this thread so forgive me if I'm repetitive...
The school had no choice but to charge everyone involved (or at least those they had hard evidence against). I don't want to see a player severely punished who took a couple of pictures thinking it was no big deal (if such a situation exists). The guys charged with grand larceny: they should serve jail time. There are no "emotions" that justify taking computers and projectors. I can see a "gray area" existing for guys who took pictures thinking that might be ok...at the same time, no DA or judge will punish a person in that situation. Charging everyone is in the school's best interest b/c the Judicial system will now look at each case, individually, and act accordingly. USC would be crucified if they were to choose who would and would not be punished. In the public legal system, these men can choose to have a trial and publicly defend themselves if necessary. I feel much better about this than a private decision by USC.
As far as kicking them off the team goes: These guys have to pass through the courts, the school's student council, and the athletic department. SOS will really have no choice in what to do with the players. They'll either be kicked out of school before it gets to him or else they are essentially cleared by the time they get to him. So, I don't think he has much choice in the matter. I just want them "handled" like the men they are and as students at USC. They aren't kids and they shouldn't be punished more or less just b/c they are athletes.
I haven't read all the posts in this thread so forgive me if I'm repetitive...
The school had no choice but to charge everyone involved (or at least those they had hard evidence against). I don't want to see a player severely punished who took a couple of pictures thinking it was no big deal (if such a situation exists). The guys charged with grand larceny: they should serve jail time. There are no "emotions" that justify taking computers and projectors. I can see a "gray area" existing for guys who took pictures thinking that might be ok...at the same time, no DA or judge will punish a person in that situation. Charging everyone is in the school's best interest b/c the Judicial system will now look at each case, individually, and act accordingly. USC would be crucified if they were to choose who would and would not be punished. In the public legal system, these men can choose to have a trial and publicly defend themselves if necessary. I feel much better about this than a private decision by USC.
As far as kicking them off the team goes: These guys have to pass through the courts, the school's student council, and the athletic department. SOS will really have no choice in what to do with the players. They'll either be kicked out of school before it gets to him or else they are essentially cleared by the time they get to him. So, I don't think he has much choice in the matter. I just want them "handled" like the men they are and as students at USC. They aren't kids and they shouldn't be punished more or less just b/c they are athletes.
Very good post! :D
GTmorris1970
01-23-2005, 02:06 PM
I haven't read all the posts in this thread so forgive me if I'm repetitive...
The school had no choice but to charge everyone involved (or at least those they had hard evidence against). I don't want to see a player severely punished who took a couple of pictures thinking it was no big deal (if such a situation exists). The guys charged with grand larceny: they should serve jail time. There are no "emotions" that justify taking computers and projectors. I can see a "gray area" existing for guys who took pictures thinking that might be ok...at the same time, no DA or judge will punish a person in that situation. Charging everyone is in the school's best interest b/c the Judicial system will now look at each case, individually, and act accordingly. USC would be crucified if they were to choose who would and would not be punished. In the public legal system, these men can choose to have a trial and publicly defend themselves if necessary. I feel much better about this than a private decision by USC.
As far as kicking them off the team goes: These guys have to pass through the courts, the school's student council, and the athletic department. SOS will really have no choice in what to do with the players. They'll either be kicked out of school before it gets to him or else they are essentially cleared by the time they get to him. So, I don't think he has much choice in the matter. I just want them "handled" like the men they are and as students at USC. They aren't kids and they shouldn't be punished more or less just b/c they are athletes.
Very good post, and I agree 100%. Part of my point was part of your post. No DA or prosecutors office, IMO, is going to be prepared to serve an arrest warrant and go the distance with Newton if that is all there was to it. I do not know all the details either, but I do know that. Those prosecutors have more than plenty on their plate than to deal with someone simply pulling two pictures of themselves off the wall thinking it was ok. Also, from a legal perspective, that would be VERY risky indeed for the school administration to do such a thing. It's funny, on another note, I have messaged back and forth to Del a couple of times about this situation, and I spoke to my fiance briefly this morning about this situation. She was a student at Carolina. I asked her opinion of Newton being kicked off the team. Believe it or not, she is a BIG Carolina football fan as well, and a pretty well rounded intelligent individual. Her response was "absolutely". I asked her why she said that, and felt she brought up another valid point. He, from what I know, is on football scholarship to go to Carolina. She said, "you go commit a misdemeanor on your job, by stealing, and see if you have a job the next day. This is no different. It's stealing, if that is what he did. You are stealing from the very people who are paying for your education, and Steve Spurrier and the university are not going to tolerate the publicity of this. They cannot afford to." Anyway, just one other perspective, from someone who's opinion I value a great deal. :D So, once again, it will certainly be interesting to find out the WHOLE story about this, and see how it turns out. As I have said before, I feel Spurrier will be fair, but I also hope to see him go ahead and do some "spring cleaning", and if that includes Newton, it includes Newton. His decision is good enough for me!! :)
GRASSHOPPER
01-28-2005, 07:47 AM
Sos Said Last Night Two Players Involved Would Recieve"pardons" And Two Would Get The Boot. Of Course What He Meant Was That The Two Who Took The Laptops Were Gone.
drkralc
01-28-2005, 08:36 AM
That's exactly right. I coined that term on AST to counter a UPC fan who tried to assert that they were THE University of South Carolina.
We all know how absurd that assertion is; but so they could be the university of something or somewhere, I made them the University or Pickens County, or UPC. I never refer to them in any other way on any board on which I post.
They should be The University of South Carolina Agriculture and Turdology. At least that way you'd know what state they reside in. All school pride and none civic.
GTmorris1970
01-29-2005, 10:18 AM
He was very blunt on the news about the fact that a couple would be "booted". I hope this sends a CRYSTAL clear message to the other players on this football team. As I have said before, SS decision is good enough for me. That is why he is paid the big bucks. I also noticed in the paper the other day that Carolina football players grades are down, below 3.0 if I remember correctly. Makes me wonder how many may not be able to play for acedemic reasons next season. Also makes me wonder what the heck was going on in Lou's last season here. Boy, what a shame.
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