TIDE in 2005

[BAMA NATE]

As the 2004 season closes, I can't help but to look ahead to next season for the Crimson Tide. If Brodie Croyle can find a way to keep healthy and with the return of Ken Darby and all of those talented Recievers and not to mention the return of most of the dominating defense, Alabama should be a BCS contender. It appears that the Tide is set for another great Recruiting season as they've already stolen a top prospect that was headed to Auburn. I see the Crimson Tide winning the SEC next year and possibly even winning it all. I still can't shake the feeling of what would have happened if we had kept Brodie Croyle, Ray Hudson, and all of the others that got hurt. We might be playing tomorrow OR LATER!

[Neo]

As the 2004 season closes, I can't help but to look ahead to next season for the Crimson Tide. If Brodie Croyle can find a way to keep healthy and with the return of Ken Darby and all of those talented Recievers and not to mention the return of most of the dominating defense, Alabama should be a BCS contender. It appears that the Tide is set for another great Recruiting season as they've already stolen a top prospect that was headed to Auburn. I see the Crimson Tide winning the SEC next year and possibly even winning it all. I still can't shake the feeling of what would have happened if we had kept Brodie Croyle, Ray Hudson, and all of the others that got hurt. We might be playing tomorrow OR LATER!

They may just do that. They have the players to do it.

[BAMA NATE]

How right you are Del.

The starting 11 on Alabama's offense and BIG D are some of the best in the country but they need a leader. Spencer Pennington does all he can but he just isn't a good QB. I've heard that he might be headed to baseball full time anyway. Ken Darby is an outstanding RB that keeps it in motion. He may not be the quickest, fastest, or strongest RB but there ain't a player in this country that tries as hard as this kid does every single play. I just admire the way he plays the game.

[Neo]

How right you are Del.

The starting 11 on Alabama's offense and BIG D are some of the best in the country but they need a leader. Spencer Pennington does all he can but he just isn't a good QB. I've heard that he might be headed to baseball full time anyway. Ken Darby is an outstanding RB that keeps it in motion. He may not be the quickest, fastest, or strongest RB but there ain't a player in this country that tries as hard as this kid does every single play. I just admire the way he plays the game.

Only time will tell. I think a lot of Alabama's success depends on if Croyle stays healthy.

[BAMA NATE]

I think he will manage to stay healthy because I think Coach Shula has learned a lesson on keeping him in a game that is in the bag but I don't disagree with Shula's decision to keep him in that game. How was he supposed to know that the kid would tear an ACL of all things? I was disgusted with the way the Alabama media heckled the Coach on that. If you start a player in a game then he should play in both halfs. That was to be Brodie's last series of that game anyway.

[Neo]

I think he will manage to stay healthy because I think Coach Shula has learned a lesson on keeping him in a game that is in the bag but I don't disagree with Shula's decision to keep him in that game. How was he supposed to know that the kid would tear an ACL of all things. I was disgusted with the way the Alabama media heckled the Coach on that. If you start a player in a game then he should play in both halfs. That was to be Brodie's last series of that game anyway.

Yeah! What luck??? Go figure?

The last series and then you go down. OUCH!

Either way, if he stays healthy they will win.

[Tidetalk]

How right you are Del.

The starting 11 on Alabama's offense and BIG D are some of the best in the country but they need a leader. Spencer Pennington does all he can but he just isn't a good QB. I've heard that he might be headed to baseball full time anyway. Ken Darby is an outstanding RB that keeps it in motion. He may not be the quickest, fastest, or strongest RB but there ain't a player in this country that tries as hard as this kid does every single play. I just admire the way he plays the game.

I agree with you that we will be solid next year. I had also heard that Pennington might go to baseball full-time, but I have since heard that he will play football, too. Apparently, Guillon is staying, too. Hopefully, Brodie will stay healthy and it won't matter who the back-up is. If SP and MG stay, we can redshirt John Parker Wilson and Jimmy Barnes and save them a year of eligibilty. John Parker is my cousin and I think he is going to surprise some people with his ability.

[Neo]

I agree with you that we will be solid next year. I had also heard that Pennington might go to baseball full-time, but I have since heard that he will play football, too. Apparently, Guillon is staying, too. Hopefully, Brodie will stay healthy and it won't matter who the back-up is. If SP and MG stay, we can redshirt John Parker Wilson and Jimmy Barnes and save them a year of eligibilty. John Parker is my cousin and I think he is going to surprise some people with his ability.

Good point.

You wouldn't wanna burn a year just to ride the bench.

[QuackAttackVan]

Bama with Croyle will be a damn good team.

Good Luck

[Volnooga]

My only fear would be injury. Due to past Scholly woes for Bama, there just isn't any depth.

Well, fear that and the vols ;)

[BAMA NATE]

Volnooga, bless your heart.

You just could'nt stay respectful in that post could you?

Nice try though. :mad:

[Volnooga]

Bama Nate, Bless your Heart,

No one has ever defined respect for you have they?

What in the world was disrespectful about that post? Was it the little jab where I stated that as a Bama fan I would have some concerns about the UT game. Is it really disrespectful to think my team has a better than average chance of winning the game?

please, fill me in.

[GeauxTo]

BAMA did not get the job done in their bowl against Minn, which was pretty lame. They will get hammered next year by several SEC opponents (LSU, Tennessee, for example), but, they are improving.
;)

[Neo]

BAMA did not get the job done in their bowl against Minn, which was pretty lame. They will get hammered next year by several SEC opponents (LSU, Tennessee, for example), but, they are improving.
;)


What hinges on Bama's success I think is the health of QB Brodie Croyle. If they can keep him healthy, they have a really good shot.

[GeauxTo]

What hinges on Bama's success I think is the health of QB Brodie Croyle. If they can keep him healthy, they have a really good shot.

Good shot at what??? Beating Ole Miss. Beating Miss State?? MAYBE beating Auburn?? They will be ravaged by LSU and the Vols. ;)

[Neo]

Good shot at what??? Beating Ole Miss. Beating Miss State?? MAYBE beating Auburn?? They will be ravaged by LSU and the Vols. ;)

Granted, I don't keep up with the SEC West as much as I should, but so far Alabama is doing a heck of a job recruiting and they will have their starting QB returning.

I think with Croyle back on the sidelines, it gives them the chance to win at least 2 more games. (Not the USC game though :p )

[GeauxTo]

Granted, I don't keep up with the SEC West as much as I should, but so far Alabama is doing a heck of a job recruiting and they will have their starting QB returning.

I think with Croyle back on the sidelines, it gives them the chance to win at least 2 more games. (Not the USC game though :p )


OH YES, I forgot about USC. That's another one Bama will lose. By the way, when does USC play LSU again? Should be a good game with Spurrier in the saddle.
;)

[Neo]

OH YES, I forgot about USC. That's another one Bama will lose. By the way, when does USC play LSU again? Should be a good game with Spurrier in the saddle.
;)

I think in 2007. Don't quote me on that though. I think with the win in Tuscaloosa this past season is really going to give USC confidence when playing Bama this coming season at Williams Bryce.

[rolltide5590]

haah lsu fans these days....do u guys know what lsu stands for losing sucks universityy....

[GeauxTo]

haah lsu fans these days....do u guys know what lsu stands for losing sucks universityy....


Bama people can't read, write, OR play football. ;)

[Neo]

Bama people can't read, write, OR play football. ;)

What's the record between the two for the last 5 years? :confused:

[GeauxTo]

What's the record between the two for the last 5 years? :confused:


Hey, DEL, we must live in the immediate past, not ancient history! Anyway, you must know that I have the utmost respect for Bama's team and fans. I'm just chiding them a little bit. Shucks, there's no way the SEC would be the SEC without Bama! And most of them probably read and write a lot better than I do (which ain't no great thang).
;)

[GRASSHOPPER]

I Don't Know How Bama Fans Feel But To Me The Jury Is Still Out On Shula!?!

[BAMA NATE]

We will win it but the LSU game will be a close one but I think they WILL beat the Vols without a doubt. Steve Spurrier will probably need a year to get established at USC so we'll probably win that one to. I think we will HAMMER Auburn next year and we have sure wins against Miss.St. and Ole Miss. And we can't forget Arkansas. That game equals a World of Hurt for the Hogs. All of that sounds good enough for a trip to Atlanta. ;)

[Neo]

We will win it but the LSU game will be a close one but I think they WILL beat the Vols without a doubt. Steve Spurrier will probably need a year to get established at USC so we'll probably win that one to. I think we will HAMMER Auburn next year and we have sure wins against Miss.St. and Ole Miss. And we can't forget Arkansas. That game equals a World of Hurt for the Hogs. All of that sounds good enough for a trip to Atlanta. ;)

I wouldn't say that Bama will beat USC. USC has won against Alabama in 2 of the last 3 meetings. With that sentiment, I think USC will win this year in Williams Bryce. Here's my prediction by the schedule.

Middle Tennessee St. (W)
Southern Miss (W)
At USC (L)
Arkansas (W)
Florida (W)
At Ole Miss (W)
Tennessee (L)
Utah State (W)
At Mississippi State (W)
Louisiana State (L)
At Auburn (W)

Total: 8-3 (5-3)

[Tidetalk]

I Don't Know How Bama Fans Feel But To Me The Jury Is Still Out On Shula!?!

I think he will do fine if given enough time. It is not fair to judge him just yet. What coach could win with a 3rd string QB, 4th string RB, 3rd string FB and 3rd string TE? That is basically what he had to work with the last 3 games. He must recruit some good players and start building depth.

[Tidetalk]

I wouldn't say that Bama will beat USC. USC has won against Alabama in 2 of the last 3 meetings. With that sentiment, I think USC will win this year in Williams Bryce. Here's my prediction by the schedule.

Middle Tennessee St. (W)
Southern Miss (W)
At USC (L)
Arkansas (W)
Florida (W)
At Ole Miss (W)
Tennessee (L)
Utah State (W)
At Mississippi State (W)
Louisiana State (L)
At Auburn (W)

Total: 8-3 (5-3)

I love Bama Nate's attitude, but I could live with 8-3 and a win at AU.

[Neo]

I think he will do fine if given enough time. It is not fair to judge him just yet. What coach could win with a 3rd string QB, 4th string RB, 3rd string FB and 3rd string TE? That is basically what he had to work with the last 3 games. He must recruit some good players and start building depth.

Tide has a point there. Look at the facts, Shula inherited a probie team that was decimated by scolly reductions. It's going to take a little time to build depth on both sides of the ball.

[Neo]

I love Bama Nate's attitude, but I could live with 8-3 and a win at AU.


I think that Bama will beat Auburn this coming season. Auburn is losing a LOT of players to the draft and graduation. Their entire backfield is gone and that's going to take a bite out of Auburn's offense.

8-3 is a very respectable position given depth and such with this team.

[Hardie]

think about this , no one predicted Auburn to do as good as they did this year and look how far they went. Alabama has alot of the qualities and returnin players that Auburn had in place when they made their run this year. I dont see a reason why Alabama cant come out in 2005 and pull a 2004 Auburn. As for Coach Shula , if you look at his record , hes improvin every year. He came in when we had probation and a reduction in scholarships. He is building dept and is recruting great talent. I think 2005 will be his breakout year personally and I really wouldnt be surprised liek I said if Alabama pulls an Auburn but I wouldnt be surprised if we dont either. I think 2005 will be another good one for Alabama as we continue to improve. The thing about being Alabama tho , even in bad years when a team beats Alabama it really means something so that says alot for itself.

[Neo]

think about this , no one predicted Auburn to do as good as they did this year and look how far they went. Alabama has alot of the qualities and returnin players that Auburn had in place when they made their run this year. I dont see a reason why Alabama cant come out in 2005 and pull a 2004 Auburn. As for Coach Shula , if you look at his record , hes improvin every year. He came in when we had probation and a reduction in scholarships. He is building dept and is recruting great talent. I think 2005 will be his breakout year personally and I really wouldnt be surprised liek I said if Alabama pulls an Auburn but I wouldnt be surprised if we dont either. I think 2005 will be another good one for Alabama as we continue to improve. The thing about being Alabama tho , even in bad years when a team beats Alabama it really means something so that says alot for itself.

I don't see Bama winning the "Brass" ring in 05 because they are still VERY thin at certain positions. Depth is what hurt the Tide this year.

[Hardie]

Injuries hurt Bama, the dept had some to do with it but had everyone stayed healthy Bama would have been alot better than the 6- 6 record. Notice Auburn didnt have injury problems. They kept their entire time just about healthy. They had that stint with the center at one point but other than that they was healthy. If Alabama can stay healthy then I dont think dept is going to be that big of a factor. I beleive we have enough now to rotate and keep things level. Ball control plays a key in that as well cuz if we continue to go 3 and out on offense no amount of dept will help our defense.

[Neo]

Injuries hurt Bama, the dept had some to do with it but had everyone stayed healthy Bama would have been alot better than the 6- 6 record. Notice Auburn didnt have injury problems. They kept their entire time just about healthy. They had that stint with the center at one point but other than that they was healthy. If Alabama can stay healthy then I dont think dept is going to be that big of a factor. I beleive we have enough now to rotate and keep things level. Ball control plays a key in that as well cuz if we continue to go 3 and out on offense no amount of dept will help our defense.

Auburn is stacked too. They are 3-4 people deep in almost every position.

In the SEC, depth and talent wins ball games.

[Hardie]

Like I said Auburn didnt really get into their dept much , they didnt have too. They kept key players healthy all season. Alabama has a lil dept not much but we can compete and win with what we have. Had Alabama kept its starting Offense healthy then what dept we had would have been sufficent enough I think.

[GeauxTo]

BAMA will likely lose these three games next year:
LSU
Tennessee
Florida

And they could very well lose to:
South Carolina
Auburn
;)

[Neo]

BAMA will likely lose these three games next year:
LSU
Tennessee
Florida

And they could very well lose to:
South Carolina
Auburn
;)

I think they will lose to Tennessee, LSU and USC.

They will beat Auburn next year.

[GeauxTo]

I think they will lose to Tennessee, LSU and USC.

They will beat Auburn next year.


But what about Florida? I don't think Bama can handle them next year. You may be right on Auburn, but I'm thinking that Tubby will outcoach Shula in that one. And, it is coaching, too, that will bring USC out on top of Bama.
;)

[Neo]

But what about Florida? I don't think Bama can handle them next year. You may be right on Auburn, but I'm thinking that Tubby will outcoach Shula in that one. And, it is coaching, too, that will bring USC out on top of Bama.
;)

Well USC has defeated Bama 2 out of the last 3 times. This past year we beat them in Tuscaloosa and now this year they come to Williams Bryce. All in all, I would have to say then mental edge goes to USC.

As for Bama/Florida, I don't think Urban's spread offense is going to last very long in the SEC. Within the first 3 weeks, defenses are going to key on it and shut it down. Plus, this is Urban's first year in a real conference. He's not going to have the luxury of overlooking Bama.

[BAMA NATE]

Now wait a minute here. :cool:

I'm hearing that Alabama will lose to Florida but I'm also hearing that defenses will key on Urban Meyer's offense. Keep in mind that 2/3 or more of Alabama's BIG D is returning next year. That will be the main reason they beat Florida, USC, and LSU. :cool:

One more thing DeL.

I think there have been 12 total meetings between Bama and USC. Keep in mind that the Tide has won 10 of those if you are so caught up in the history of the series.

[Neo]

Now wait a minute here. :cool:

I'm hearing that Alabama will lose to Florida but I'm also hearing that defenses will key on Urban Meyer's offense. Keep in mind that 2/3 or more of Alabama's BIG D is returning next year. That will be the main reason they beat Florida, USC, and LSU. :cool:

I didn't say Bama would lose to Florida. :confused: I said that Bama would lose to LSU, Tennessee and USC.

USC's defense isn't a push-over either. You know that.

[BAMA NATE]

I really see no reason why Alabama can't beat USC.

They will be better prepared for the game this year if they just stay healthy. Your right, y'all's defense was'nt a pushover but that was when Holtz was coaching.

[Neo]

I really see no reason why Alabama can't beat USC.

They will be better prepared for the game this year if they just stay healthy. Your right, y'all's defense was'nt a pushover but that was when Holtz was coaching.

Oh and our DC now isn't good enough? LOL! :)

What is your reasoning as to why Alabama hasn't defeated USC in the last two attempts? :confused:

[BAMA NATE]

I did'nt see the game back in 2001 or whenever it was. I saw this year's game and I'll admit we played one terrible game out there. We should've won that game and I think you know it DeL. There were bad decisions on the part of our QB's and Shula got out coached.

[Neo]

I did'nt see the game back in 2001 or whenever it was. I saw this year's game and I'll admit we played one terrible game out there. We should've won that game and I think you know it DeL. There were bad decisions on the part of our QB's and Shula got out coached.

Part of the QB problem was beyond Shula's control. Things happen no matter if we like them or not.

What it boils down to in my opinion is that you cannot sleep on ANYONE in the SEC and that includes Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

[BAMA NATE]

Thats the thing.

Y'all caught us sleeping. I believe that game would've been entirely different had we been prepared and I'd hate to bring it up but I think y'all's loss to Ole Miss kind of proves that.

[Neo]

Thats the thing.

Y'all caught us sleeping. I believe that game would've been entirely different had we been prepared and I'd hate to bring it up but I think y'all's loss to Ole Miss kind of proves that.

Oh c'mon...LOL! Sleeping back to back??? LOL! :)

Yall weren't sleeping. We just played smash mouth football. The score was 20-3. Now imagine what the score would have been if we didn't fumble three times on Bama's 14-20 yard line/s?

What about Holtz kneeling the ball on Bama's 15 yard line in the last 1:30 of the 4th? By the end of the night, this game could have ended up something to the tune of 40+ to 3.

As for the Ole Miss game, yeah we lost it. We came up short, but it's no different from Bama beating Ole Miss 28-7 then losing to Arkansas 27-10. Then we beat Arkansas.

[Hardie]

LOL well the thing is you are puttin alot of stock in beatin Alabama in probably the worse 5 seasons of the footballs program lol. That says alot about what a victory over Alabama means to everyone. Alabama should have won about 3 more games than we did last year but with all the injuries and things that have happend we didnt. We played every team hard and had a chance to win each game tho. This year we are going to get over that hump and we going to play up to our potental. Sc isnt a push over but I dont believe yall will be able to beat Alabama and like what was mentioned earlier if you wanna l ook at the history of things I do believe the last 2 wins by yall was pretty much the only time yall beat us. Yall have never beat us in a "usual" alabama year , yall just beat us in our down years.

[cocky4ever]

I did'nt see the game back in 2001 or whenever it was. I saw this year's game and I'll admit we played one terrible game out there. We should've won that game and I think you know it DeL. There were bad decisions on the part of our QB's and Shula got out coached.

If he got outcoached by Holtz its gonna get a lot worse with Spurrier here. Our defense will probably be much better next year too.

[Neo]

LOL well the thing is you are puttin alot of stock in beatin Alabama in probably the worse 5 seasons of the footballs program lol. That says alot about what a victory over Alabama means to everyone. Alabama should have won about 3 more games than we did last year but with all the injuries and things that have happend we didnt. We played every team hard and had a chance to win each game tho. This year we are going to get over that hump and we going to play up to our potental. Sc isnt a push over but I dont believe yall will be able to beat Alabama and like what was mentioned earlier if you wanna l ook at the history of things I do believe the last 2 wins by yall was pretty much the only time yall beat us. Yall have never beat us in a "usual" alabama year , yall just beat us in our down years.

No one is disputing that Hardie. What I am disputing is that USC has played Alabama tough consistantly and pulled it out. I have to agree with Cocky. If you think it's going to get easier, you're crazy! LOL :p

[Hardie]

Never did I say Sc was a pushover , I said and I quote "Sc isnt a push over but I dont believe yall will be able to beat Alabama " un quote. Sc has played us tought as have a number of other teams but I believe if Alabama stays healthy that we have the pieces to put together a really nice season and get back on track to being the Alabama we should be.

[GRASSHOPPER]

May Be They Should But Of All Of The Teams On The Schedule Next Year Ala. Is Not In My Top Three Of Toughest Opp.

[Hardie]

Well yanno the same thing goes for SC on Alabamas part. Not being rude or anything but we worry more about Florida, Tennessee , and Auburn than we do wether we beat SC or not. That not takin anything away from yall or anything just saying thats in my opinion the top 3 teams we will be playin next year.

[GRASSHOPPER]

We Agree--we Will See Next Year!

[Hardie]

Very true, we will see next year, I hope we stay healthy cuz if we do we will show the SEC what we are really about.

[GRASSHOPPER]

I Have No Doubt Ya'll Will Be Pretty Good. My Main Two Reasons For Not Worrying Are First Of All Ya'll Come To Columbia. Second I Don't Think Shula Is The Man. Talent Will Be There But Coaching-- I Don't Know(just My Opinion)

[QuackAttackVan]

How many starters do Alabama have back on defense?

[Tidetalk]

How many starters do Alabama have back on defense?
8 on D. 7 on O IF Darby returns at RB.

[QuackAttackVan]

Two of my good friends have torn their left ACL's (not sure if that is what Croyle did) and it took them awhile to get back 100% and running as they were both complete tears.

Hopefully Croyle will be back and running like he used to. I wouldn't hold it against him if he struggled a little bit early on.

[Hardie]

I think ya wrong about Shula , he is the man. He has improved each year and next year hes only going to get better.

[Neo]

I think ya wrong about Shula , he is the man. He has improved each year and next year hes only going to get better.

We are in agreement on that Hardie! :) I think he's the best thing for the Bama program.

[BAMA NATE]

Our program is definently headed in the right direction. Even though we lost, that bowl birth was a sign of an Alabama rebirth. It won't be long at all until we are at the top of the SEC again where we belong unlike some of the teams that have been contending for the title the last three years. Shula is the right man for the job. Alabama is not like that Fat MoneyBag of a school Notre Dame. We will be patient and give the man time. It will pay off to. :cool:

[bbqit]

Our program is definently headed in the right direction. Even though we lost, that bowl birth was a sign of an Alabama rebirth. It won't be long at all until we are at the top of the SEC again where we belong unlike some of the teams that have been contending for the title the last three years. Shula is the right man for the job. Alabama is not like that Fat MoneyBag of a school Notre Dame. We will be patient and give the man time. It will pay off to. :cool:

With Croyle quarterbacking Bama's record would have been much better. Croyle does have a history all the way back to high school of injuries but if history repeats itself this is to be an injury free year for him. (i think every third year no injury or something like that) Who knows really but at least Bama has someone who can play backup now.

[Hardie]

Croyle can definatly get the job done when hes healthy. In my opinion had Alabama kept the team healthy this year we would have been right in the thick of things for a BCS berth and could have possiblely been SEC champs. I think the pieces were and are still there for a great season. We have a young team and we have like 7 Offensive and I think 8 Defensive starters comin back so we should have a break out year this year. Word of advice..... watch out for Alabama football in 2005.

[nooneLT]

we still have depth problems, but i agree shula is definetly on the right track. i think we win 7-8 games next year. LSU, UF has new coaches, but they're stacked with talent. USC has spurrier, enough said -_-

[Neo]

we still have depth problems, but i agree shula is definetly on the right track. i think we win 7-8 games next year. LSU, UF has new coaches, but they're stacked with talent. USC has spurrier, enough said -_-

Welcome to the site Noone! :)

[BAMA NATE]

Rookie Mistake NooneLT! :D

We're gonna win 9-11 games next year buddy! :cool:

[Neo]

Rookie Mistake NooneLT! :D

We're gonna win 9-11 games next year buddy! :cool:

I'm gonna hold you to that Bama! :D

[BAMA NATE]

Uh...Oh!

A challenge from the big Admin. I'm not worried. I'll remember this when we're kicking y'all's back sides up and down William-Bryce... :D

Congrats on being named Admin by the way.

When did this happen? I missed it.

[Neo]

Uh...Oh!

A challenge from the big Admin. I'm not worried. I'll remember this when we're kicking y'all's back sides up and down William-Bryce... :D

Congrats on being named Admin by the way.

When did this happen? I missed it.


Yeah...sure..."Then you woke up." LOL!

Today is the first day. TY! :)

[BAMA NATE]

So your the Admin now.

Good thing.

You'll have to kick me off because you won't be able to face me when my Tide delivers an Alabama butt-whoopin' to your Hens...LOL :D

[Neo]

So your the Admin now.

Good thing.

You'll have to kick me off because you won't be able to face me when my Tide delivers an Alabama butt-whoopin' to your Hens...LOL :D

I'm one of the Admins. It's still Chris, Dudeman and myself.

I wouldn't say that. USC has "OWNED" Bama for the decade so far. :D

[BAMA NATE]

You call a three game streak owning?

This reminds me of the UT rivalry. They owned us for seven seasons. They still think they hold that streak but we broke in 2002. We really gave 'em a thrashin' that year to.

[Neo]

You call a three game streak owning?

This reminds me of the UT rivalry. They owned us for seven seasons. They still think they hold that streak but we broke in 2002. We really gave 'em a thrashin' that year to.

Well...Only time will tell. :)

[nooneLT]

hehe the only teams that "own" bama is ND and texas. we still haven't beaten texas :o :o :o

[BAMA NATE]

Dude, what kind of a fan are you? :mad:

Notre Dame does'nt own us. What a terrible thing to say. We broke that streak in 1986 when "The Sack" game happened. We whooped up on 'em!

[nooneLT]

the fact that we've only beaten ND once and we've never beaten texas...

[BAMA NATE]

Well, Texas has a hex over us but to say that Notre Dame "owns" us is just plain sick!

[BamaFan425]

Bama has a big chance in '05. With some coaching changes and players moving to the NFL happening in our big opponents (Florida, LSU, Auburn) we have a chance to get some big games under our belt. And we really ahve a chance at the SEC West and the whole thing. Long as we stay healthy. RTR

[volimhtown]

Thats the thing.

Y'all caught us sleeping. I believe that game would've been entirely different had we been prepared and I'd hate to bring it up but I think y'all's loss to Ole Miss kind of proves that.
SLEEPING??????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......OMG , THAT'S THE FUNNIEST THING i'VE EVER HEARED!!! So, I guess Bama "slept" through half of their games this year???? 6 awake-and 6 asleep!!! Cool!!!

[Ironica]

Now wait a minute here. :cool:

I'm hearing that Alabama will lose to Florida but I'm also hearing that defenses will key on Urban Meyer's offense. Keep in mind that 2/3 or more of Alabama's BIG D is returning next year. That will be the main reason they beat Florida, USC, and LSU. :cool:

One more thing DeL.

I think there have been 12 total meetings between Bama and USC. Keep in mind that the Tide has won 10 of those if you are so caught up in the history of the series.
Just to chime in on the Bama D - outstanding this year no doubt. However, these were mostly the same guys from the year before that got burned repeatedly -- so much that fans were calling for Kines head!

Point is that returning players doesn't equal the same performance. I have no doubt that Bama will be good -- the question is how good?

[Ironica]

I did'nt see the game back in 2001 or whenever it was. I saw this year's game and I'll admit we played one terrible game out there. We should've won that game and I think you know it DeL. There were bad decisions on the part of our QB's and Shula got out coached.
The most common Bama comment after a loss... we should have won and you know it but...

INSERT FAVORITE EXCUSE

1) injuries
2) refs
3) comment in media (e.g. Pat Dye said Georgia wasn't man enough)
4) distraction (Coach Fran was thinking about A&M instead of Auburn)
5) fluke play
6) blah blah blah

Funny how you never hear this about a Bama win.

[Jordan]

SLEEPING??????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......OMG , THAT'S THE FUNNIEST THING i'VE EVER HEARED!!! So, I guess Bama "slept" through half of their games this year???? 6 awake-and 6 asleep!!! Cool!!!
I don't really consider HALF of our season "sleeping" since 3 of those 6 losses were just a one-possession loss. Granted, we should have played better than we did. We had the talent, a decent coach, and committment to win.... but we just didn't have a decent QB to handle our offense. Unlike most Bama fans, I'm not saying that our loss of Brodie was the deciding factor in our season, but just that we should have had a good backup QB ready in case of such a situation. That's where we failed, was getting some decent depth in critical positions.

[Neo]

One more thing DeL.

I think there have been 12 total meetings between Bama and USC. Keep in mind that the Tide has won 10 of those if you are so caught up in the history of the series.

Actually they have won 9. They had to forfeit one due to NCAA infractions. :)

[Neo]

Actually they have won 9. They had to forfeit one due to NCAA infractions. :)

1993, 2001, 2004 :)

[GeauxTo]

Bama has a big chance in '05. With some coaching changes and players moving to the NFL happening in our big opponents (Florida, LSU, Auburn) we have a chance to get some big games under our belt. And we really ahve a chance at the SEC West and the whole thing. Long as we stay healthy. RTR


Don't let coaching changes lull you into delusionary thinking. Bama will lose big to LSU (they are loaded from top to bottom and have at least two quarterbacks better than Brodie); Florida will beat you (QB much better than Brodie); the Vols will destroy Bama (at least two QBs better than Brodie); and you just may not be able to beat Auburn, either. It will be at least a four-loss season for the Tuscalosers.
;)

[Neo]

Don't let coaching changes lull you into delusionary thinking. Bama will lose big to LSU (they are loaded from top to bottom and have at least two quarterbacks better than Brodie); Florida will beat you (QB much better than Brodie); the Vols will destroy Bama (at least two QBs better than Brodie); and you just may not be able to beat Auburn, either. It will be at least a four-loss season for the Tuscalosers.
;)


Hey....Go ahead and put USC in there. :) Please....:)

[nooneLT]

injuries are not excuses. it is fact. excuses are what people make up that aren't facts. the fact is, Bama had one of the worst year injury-wise, and we also had limited scholarships. those are facts, not excuses. bad calls are excuses. in the lsu game, it cost us the momentum and a td. in the minnesota game, it cost us a fumble and a minnesota td. would those calls make a difference? maybe, but we'll never know, but if we woulda played better it wouldn't have mattered.

[GeauxTo]

Oh, yes, absolutely... I forgot about that! The Gamecocks will wallop the daylights out of the Tuscalosers!

[Neo]

Oh, yes, absolutely... I forgot about that! The Gamecocks will wallop the daylights out of the Tuscalosers!

Thanks! :)

[GeauxTo]

injuries are not excuses. it is fact. excuses are what people make up that aren't facts. the fact is, Bama had one of the worst year injury-wise, and we also had limited scholarships. those are facts, not excuses. bad calls are excuses. in the lsu game, it cost us the momentum and a td. in the minnesota game, it cost us a fumble and a minnesota td. would those calls make a difference? maybe, but we'll never know, but if we woulda played better it wouldn't have mattered.
Well, the only game that Auburn nearly lost, the LSU game, hung upon a weird zebra call did it not? And you don't hear the real Tigers bawling and making excuses. We got beat; however, we led for the entire game and lost in the end by a zebra call. But, that's life. And, on the Bayou, we accept life as it comes. C'est le vie!

[Hardie]

Well the issue was injuries, ball control , and execution. We controlled the ball decently at times and when we did we won. We just had alot of key injuries and we couldnt execute. Brodie my not be the best qb in the sec but thats ok cuz he can do somethign for us that pennington nor guillen could do .... he can execute the offense. We can put up points behind him and if our D is half the D it was this year we will definatly have 2 - 3 more wins on the schedule. Yall continue to think Bama will be a pushover....... and next year when we are playing like we are capable and we are healthy then come tell me we are a pushover.

[Jordan]

Don't let coaching changes lull you into delusionary thinking. Bama will lose big to LSU (they are loaded from top to bottom and have at least two quarterbacks better than Brodie); Florida will beat you (QB much better than Brodie); the Vols will destroy Bama (at least two QBs better than Brodie); and you just may not be able to beat Auburn, either. It will be at least a four-loss season for the Tuscalosers.
;)
So what's your point here? Our defense did a great job of shutting down many great QBs this year, but we didn't have the offense needed to put points on the board for ourselves. You're sitting here saying that we are absolutely going to lose these games because the opposing team has a better QB than us.... but you've got to realize that if our defense performs even close to what they did this year, then the opposing QB won't make much of a difference at all.

Brodie HIMSELF does not make or break our team next year, as any QB that can coordinate well with our offense could get the job done. If Shula can effectively prepare 2 QBs (starter and backup) to coordinate well with the offense, then we have a shot in most games next year, as long as our defense can help out to keep points off of the board for the opposing team as they did in many situations this year. Our problem this year was not that we lost Brodie himself, it was that we lost our only QB that knew how to work with our offense. Our defense did a great job of giving us good field position in a lot of games this past season, so if we'd had a well-prepared backup QB our offense MIGHT have been able to put some points on the board instead of turning the ball back over to the opposing team. Here's to hoping for a decent backup QB next year!!!

I'm still going with my prediction of at least a 7-4 season next year, with the possibility of stretching it to 8-3 or better.

[GeauxTo]

BAMA is certainly not a pushover, next year or any other time. A 7-4 season sounds about right for next year. Brodie will not make BAMA in-and-of himself, but a healthy Croyle will help. My point is that Bama is not likely to include LSU, Tennessee, or Florida in their 7 wins. Here is what it might be for next year:

Sep 3 Middle Tennessee Tuscaloosa WIN
Sep 10 Southern Miss Tuscaloosa WIN
Sep 17 at South Carolina Columbia LOSE
Sep 24 Arkansas Tuscaloosa WIN (Maybe)
Oct 1 Florida Tuscaloosa LOSE
Oct 15 at Ole Miss Oxford WIN
Oct 22 Tennessee Tuscaloosa LOSE
Oct 29 Utah State Tuscaloosa WIN
Nov 5 at Mississippi State Starkville WIN (Maybe)
Nov 12 LSU Tuscaloosa LOSE
Nov 19 at Auburn WIN (Maybe)

[Jordan]

While I see your point, I still think a couple of those games you marked for a Bama loss are up in the air at this point. LSU will definitely be a tough game for us next year, and I do agree that it will probably be a loss. With both SC and Florida, who knows.... coaching changes can do lots to a team.

Will the players at SC shape up well QUICKLY under Spurrier, or will it take some time for them to get some games with him under their belt? We're SC's 3rd game of the year, so they had better come into their first games of the season with the ability to play well under Spurrier. This game could easily go either way....

And who can even say for sure about Florida yet? Again, their players may or may not react well to the coaching change. This is our first matchup against Florida this decade (last one was in 1999), so I guarantee that our players will be pumped up for it as they come to our stadium this time around. I think this is a likely win for us next season.

Tennessee is a big rivalry game for us every year, although it's turned into a "stupid-fest" among media/fans in recent years. The players on both sides are always playing their hearts out in this matchup, so again it could go either way..... kind of like the Auburn game is for us every year. On the books, Tennessee has the advantage next year, so it is a likely loss..... but not a blowout by any means.

I'm looking forward to seeing how we turn out this year, as I truly think we have a chance at a good season.... compared to my thoughts coming into this past season. :p

[GeauxTo]

While I see your point, I still think a couple of those games you marked for a Bama loss are up in the air at this point. LSU will definitely be a tough game for us next year, and I do agree that it will probably be a loss. With both SC and Florida, who knows.... coaching changes can do lots to a team.

Will the players at SC shape up well QUICKLY under Spurrier, or will it take some time for them to get some games with him under their belt? We're SC's 3rd game of the year, so they had better come into their first games of the season with the ability to play well under Spurrier. This game could easily go either way....

And who can even say for sure about Florida yet? Again, their players may or may not react well to the coaching change. This is our first matchup against Florida this decade (last one was in 1999), so I guarantee that our players will be pumped up for it as they come to our stadium this time around. I think this is a likely win for us next season.

Tennessee is a big rivalry game for us every year, although it's turned into a "stupid-fest" among media/fans in recent years. The players on both sides are always playing their hearts out in this matchup, so again it could go either way..... kind of like the Auburn game is for us every year. On the books, Tennessee has the advantage next year, so it is a likely loss..... but not a blowout by any means.

I'm looking forward to seeing how we turn out this year, as I truly think we have a chance at a good season.... compared to my thoughts coming into this past season. :p

I'll be surprised if Bama beats Florida or USC, but it could certainly happen. Bama has excellent talent which probably matches up well with both Florida and USC. And, while Shula is doing a good job in the tough SEC, he may not be able to match wits with "the Ball coach" at USC or with the hoped for "Urban legend" at Florida. Both games, though, should be SEC knock-down, smash-mouth slugfests.
;)

[Neo]

That's the truth. One good thing will come out in that game though. Spurrier will re-invent the forward pass to the USC team. :)

[Jordan]

That's the truth. One good thing will come out in that game though. Spurrier will re-invent the forward pass to the USC team. :)
Just remember that some of our younger defensive guys that did well agains the pass this past year are getting more and more experience now. I hope to see us as a highly-ranked pass defense next year again... :)

[Neo]

Just remember that some of our younger defensive guys that did well agains the pass this past year are getting more and more experience now. I hope to see us as a highly-ranked pass defense next year again... :)


We did too. I seem to remember the USC defensive backfield making 5 INT's the last time we played yall. We were missing one player too. He broke his foot in the UGA game and he was out for the season.

He (Jonathan Joseph) was a 5-Star BEAST according to Rivals.com and he runs the 40 in 4.3 flat!

[Jordan]

We did too. I seem to remember the USC defensive backfield making 5 INT's the last time we played yall. We were missing one player too. He broke his foot in the UGA game and he was out for the season.

He (Jonathan Joseph) was a 5-Star BEAST according to Rivals.com and he runs the 40 in 4.3 flat!
Well, wasn't the SC game also the first one that a backup QB had to start for us? We're LUCKY that it was just 5 INT's that game!! I've still got my fingers crossed that Shula will prepare us a good backup QB next season in case the same thing happens THREE years in a row. :p

[Jordan]

Correction, it was the second game.... but still the same idea. :)

[Neo]

Correction, it was the second game.... but still the same idea. :)

I'm just "rubbin" ya guy! :)

Honestly, I think that has been USC's strengths for the last few years. Our DB's & S's are some of the best in the SEC if not the best. :)

[CrimsonTide42]

The best Alabama beat in two years was Sou. Miss., and you are going to tell they are going to be BCS contenders!!! You are out of your mind!!! They will be very lucky
if they win six games this year. Looking at the schedule Alabama plays this year, they
losing alot of there offensive lineman and we have one running back. Let's be realistic.

[Neo]

The best Alabama beat in two years was Sou. Miss., and you are going to tell they are going to be BCS contenders!!! You are out of your mind!!! They will be very lucky
if they win six games this year. Looking at the schedule Alabama plays this year, they
losing alot of there offensive lineman and we have one running back. Let's be realistic.


You know you are the first "Bama" fan to say that. :)

Not aiming too high just yet huh?

[CrimsonTide42]

No WAY!! I am one of the fans that is'nt to impressed with Shula. I just don't think
Alabama is a proving ground for head coaches. I think Mal Moore has done a terrible
job at hiring these people.

[Neo]

No WAY!! I am one of the fans that is'nt to impressed with Shula. I just don't think
Alabama is a proving ground for head coaches. I think Mal Moore has done a terrible
job at hiring these people.

Stick around please. I like people with dissenting opinions. :) LOL!

Seriously, it makes for great debate. We don't all wanna be zombies and just agree with each other! :p

[BAMA NATE]

Man, this thread has SUCKED for the last two pages!!!! :mad:

Most of y'all think Alabama will be pushovers but are trying your best not to make it into a losing argument. Its also funny how everybody waits until I'm gone to start downing Alabama. I'm also tired of saying Alabama will beat USC because I've said it 1,000 times over already. We'll win that one for the last time! I don't care what Mr. Admin here says about it! :mad:

And I've also seen a pathetic excuse for a Bama fan but I won't mention his name.

[Jordan]

No WAY!! I am one of the fans that is'nt to impressed with Shula. I just don't think
Alabama is a proving ground for head coaches. I think Mal Moore has done a terrible
job at hiring these people.
I'm still not quite sure about Shula myself.... with the situation he came into, I said from the beginning that I'd give him 3-4 years to prove himself and that's what I plan to do. If he doesn't show anything this season, then it will likely be back to the drawing board for our administration. And I personally think before they even look for a new coach that they should be looking for a new AD!!

Shula might not be "the next Bear Bryant" for us, but I think he was the man we needed to get over our probation hump. With the situation he came into, I'd say that he's done a pretty good job. Just about any coach would have trouble coming into that, and I think he's done/continuing to do a good job of getting our football program straightened back with his strong recruiting this year, good morals, and his passion for our program. Again, he might not be around more than 1 or 2 more years, but he's really done a good job of getting us through the NCAA sanctions.... which will make it a much better program in the eyes of potential coaches if we starting shopping around for a new coach again.

Personally, I'd like to see him stick around for awhile. I think that he's been recruiting (with limited scholarships) pretty good for the past couple years, and is finally getting the team built up to match the type of offense/defense he is wanting to run. I wish everyone could just give him a few more years before saying things like "he sucks, get someone else." We're never going to get turned around if we keep getting new coaches every 1-2 years.... it's just too hard on the players.

[nooneLT]

The best Alabama beat in two years was Sou. Miss., and you are going to tell they are going to be BCS contenders!!! You are out of your mind!!! They will be very lucky
if they win six games this year. Looking at the schedule Alabama plays this year, they
losing alot of there offensive lineman and we have one running back. Let's be realistic.

LSU, UF, USC all have new coaches so we have a shot of winning 1/2 of these games. we have UF and LSU at home too, which should give us some sort of an advantage.

yes we lose 3 o-linemen that's gonna be hard to replace. we also are very thin in RB and TE. there's talk about darby not being able to play anymore, but we have some good recruiting coming for our RB. hopefully we'll pick up upchurch, ford, or davis (2 of those). fred rouse wouldn't hurt either :D

[Neo]

Man, this thread has SUCKED for the last two pages!!!! :mad:

Most of y'all think Alabama will be pushovers but are trying your best not to make it into a losing argument. Its also funny how everybody waits until I'm gone to start downing Alabama. I'm also tired of saying Alabama will beat USC because I've said it 1,000 times over already. We'll win that one for the last time! I don't care what Mr. Admin here says about it! :mad:

And I've also seen a pathetic excuse for a Bama fan but I won't mention his name.


Why are you being so dang hostile? Everyone here is taking everything in stride. I mean to get mad at someone just because they don't share your view is a touch much don't ya think? :)

[BAMA NATE]

I could care less if they don't share my views. But it is obvious that there are a couple that are saying that Alabama will lose next year just because they hate them.

I mean just listen to GeuxTro. Everything I've heard from him since I've been here has been a big load of BS!!! :mad:

[Neo]

I could care less if they don't share my views. But it is obvious that there are a couple that are saying that Alabama will lose next year just because they hate them.

I mean just listen to GeuxTro. Everything I've heard from him since I've been here has been a big load of BS!!! :mad:

What does that have to do with me? Because me and Jordan were joking around with each other? :confused:

[Ironica]

Just my two cents on Shula. One thing I will say that impressed me about him is that no matter what was happening - he has his team playing hard game in and game out.

Bama won't be a push over but the schedule is tough. Brodie being back will definitely help but many of the opponents are coming back stronger than last year. Time will tell. I think 7 - 4 or 8 - 3 is reasonable.

[nooneLT]

seriously, what can you ask for.

his first season he had fall practice to set up an offense, went 4-8, and got the 15th best recruiting class. second season - lot of key injuries including the whole backfield and both TE, and yet we still go bowling.

yes he's still unproven as a coach, but cut him some slack. i'd really like to see how he does next season. last year i was one of many who hated him, but i now think he's the guy to rebuild our program.

[Tidetalk]

I'm still not quite sure about Shula myself.... with the situation he came into, I said from the beginning that I'd give him 3-4 years to prove himself and that's what I plan to do. If he doesn't show anything this season, then it will likely be back to the drawing board for our administration. And I personally think before they even look for a new coach that they should be looking for a new AD!!

Shula might not be "the next Bear Bryant" for us, but I think he was the man we needed to get over our probation hump. With the situation he came into, I'd say that he's done a pretty good job. Just about any coach would have trouble coming into that, and I think he's done/continuing to do a good job of getting our football program straightened back with his strong recruiting this year, good morals, and his passion for our program. Again, he might not be around more than 1 or 2 more years, but he's really done a good job of getting us through the NCAA sanctions.... which will make it a much better program in the eyes of potential coaches if we starting shopping around for a new coach again.

Personally, I'd like to see him stick around for awhile. I think that he's been recruiting (with limited scholarships) pretty good for the past couple years, and is finally getting the team built up to match the type of offense/defense he is wanting to run. I wish everyone could just give him a few more years before saying things like "he sucks, get someone else." We're never going to get turned around if we keep getting new coaches every 1-2 years.... it's just too hard on the players.

Jordan,

I agree with almost everything you say, except I think we have to give Mal credit as AD. Much of the reason we are doing so well in recruiting is the awesome new facilities. For many years, we sat around thinking that kids would come to UA because of our tradition and our facilities lagged behind the rest of the SEC. Now they rival any in the nation. Mal is no genius, but I think he is just what UA needed -- someone to bring all the factions of the BamaNation together to move toward a common goal. He is a great fundraiser. The beauty of it all is that the revenue from the stadium expansion will pay for the $109 million bond issue and then some.

[Neo]

Jordan,

I agree with almost everything you say, except I think we have to give Mal credit as AD. Much of the reason we are doing so well in recruiting is the awesome new facilities. For many years, we sat around thinking that kids would come to UA because of our tradition and our facilities lagged behind the rest of the SEC. Now they rival any in the nation. Mal is no genius, but I think he is just what UA needed -- someone to bring all the factions of the BamaNation together to move toward a common goal. He is a great fundraiser. The beauty of it all is that the revenue from the stadium expansion will pay for the $109 million bond issue and then some.

You have a point. That's why ND and Penn State are in the shape they are in now. They assumed that recruits were going to come to their respective schools all because of tradition. They are learning the hard way that recruits don't really consider tradition like they used to. It's all about playing time now. :)

[Jordan]

Jordan,

I agree with almost everything you say, except I think we have to give Mal credit as AD. Much of the reason we are doing so well in recruiting is the awesome new facilities. For many years, we sat around thinking that kids would come to UA because of our tradition and our facilities lagged behind the rest of the SEC. Now they rival any in the nation. Mal is no genius, but I think he is just what UA needed -- someone to bring all the factions of the BamaNation together to move toward a common goal. He is a great fundraiser. The beauty of it all is that the revenue from the stadium expansion will pay for the $109 million bond issue and then some.
Well, I didn't mean to give the impression that Mal had done NOTHING right the entire time he's been here. I agree that he's done excellent things with our facilities, which in turn does really affect our recruiting. BTW, have you seen the "new" facilities? I saw some video of them last year, and all I can say is.... "WOW!" The equipment room has motorized storage shelves that all slide together to maximize the amount of equipment in the room, the rehab center has viewing windows on the pools so that trainers can monitor athletes on the underwater treadmills/bikes, huge flat panels for the players/coaches to watch game videos, etc. It's pretty impressive if you can get a chance to see some clips (or visit on-site somehow).

But I also think that there's many other AD's that could have done a better OVERALL job than Mal has done. Many years, it's seemed like for every step forward we also take one or two steps back. It would be nice to have someone that wouldn't allow us to take those steps back.

[troxel3]

I'm just wondering one thing.....when UT comes to town and beats Bama AGAIN, what will the excuse be?

[Jordan]

I'm just wondering one thing.....when UT comes to town and beats Bama AGAIN, what will the excuse be?
Won't hear one out of me if your team wins. Like I said, it will be close, so it could really go either way. I just think we'll be able to pull out of it on top this year.

[troxel3]

You would be one of the few. At least you can be a man about it.

[Jordan]

You would be one of the few. At least you can be a man about it.
Thanks for the comment. But you also have to admit that just about any team has a TON of fans that do the same thing you're referring to. Heck, even your Vols.... I heard countless numbers of Vols fans (both in-person and online) commenting on things like "If we'd had Ainge for the second half, we would have won that ND game." And other comments of that nature.

It's just a part of the game, as nobody likes for their team to lose..... so most people will make excuses. In that instance, sure Ainge would have been a big help. But people shouldn't assume the Win with him, as nobody will ever truly know what the outcome would have been.

[troxel3]

I'll agree with that.

[fernandomike]

Bama should be very strong next year, but will have to contend with a more talented LSU team. LSU's last few recruiting classes have been ridiculous and if they can get consistent quarterback play, then I think that they will represent the west. I do like Bama second in the west, but remember the strength of the this years team was the offensive line. Losing two monsters like Britt and Mathis won't help that.

[Jordan]

Losing two monsters like Britt and Mathis won't help that.

Yep, that's what I've been saying all along. They have been the heart of our offense through some tough times, so we'll be hurting without them next year (especially Britt). We've got a lot of committments from some pretty strong OLs though. We'll have a lot of younger inexperienced players on the left side of the OL next year, so our offensive game really rests on how well Shula and the other coaches do at getting these young guys prepared for SEC play.

[BAMA NATE]

Britt and Mathis can be replaced I think. Chris Capps and Justin Moon are a couple younger ones that will be very good. LSU is overrated so I think Alabama represents the West.

[Neo]

Britt and Mathis can be replaced I think. Chris Capps and Justin Moon are a couple younger ones that will be very good. LSU is overrated so I think Alabama represents the West.


I do feel that those OL's can be replaced. I do not agree that LSU is overrated. If you value "Star" ratings, LSU is off the charts. They are fully stacked with 5-Star talent and then some. Even with the coaching change, I do not feel that LSU is going to drop off the charts. Underachieving? Maybe....Overrated? Not a chance. Just my 0.02 :)

2005: http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Year=2005&School=37
2004: http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Sport=1&Year=2004&School=37
2003: http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Sport=1&Year=2003&School=37
2002: http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Sport=1&Year=2002&School=37

[Neo]

Bumpy Bump Bump

[bucksutton]

How right you are Del.

The starting 11 on Alabama's offense and BIG D are some of the best in the country but they need a leader. Spencer Pennington does all he can but he just isn't a good QB. I've heard that he might be headed to baseball full time anyway. Ken Darby is an outstanding RB that keeps it in motion. He may not be the quickest, fastest, or strongest RB but there ain't a player in this country that tries as hard as this kid does every single play. I just admire the way he plays the game.
Spencer just announced he will not return to play football for the Tide this season instead he will play for the Tide Baseball team.

[Neo]

Spencer just announced he will not return to play football for the Tide this season instead he will play for the Tide Baseball team.

Ouch! There's one more experienced player gone. At first, I thought Bama would have a shot until I did my homework and found out how thin they are at key positions.

Losing Spencer isn't helping matters either.

[bucksutton]

I think it is the Head Coach at Bama that is the problem more than the players. For example. In the Auburn game, we had the ball in the tigers redzone with a 1st down and a 3-0 lead and what does Shula do. Three straight times he runs the ball up the middle against there fine defense, so in comes the field goal unit, now 6-0. His play calling is a little to conservative an he does do the play calling I read somewhere. I don't think trying to run the ball with a banged up running game is smart in the redzone against Auburn. His play calling needs to go.

[Neo]

I think it is the Head Coach at Bama that is the problem more than the players. For example. In the Auburn game, we had the ball in the tigers redzone with a 1st down and a 3-0 lead and what does Shula do. Three straight times he runs the ball up the middle against there fine defense, so in comes the field goal unit, now 6-0. His play calling is a little to conservative an he does do the play calling I read somewhere. I don't think trying to run the ball with a banged up running game is smart in the redzone against Auburn. His play calling needs to go.

The problem with that is it's a double edged sword. If he were to call for a "fade" and it was dropped or intercepted, people would want his head on a platter. Playing the "run" is a safe bet if you have a good TB. Either way, the soonest I see Bama competiting for the SEC West is 2006. That gives them two (2) full years of recruiting to build some depth to the NCAA ravaged squad of 2004. :)

[Volnooga]

The problem with that is it's a double edged sword. If he were to call for a "fade" and it was dropped or intercepted, people would want his head on a platter. Playing the "run" is a safe bet if you have a good TB. Either way, the soonest I see Bama competiting for the SEC West is 2006. That gives them two (2) full years of recruiting to build some depth to the NCAA ravaged squad of 2004. :)


Really!! The biggest Playmaker UA had on O was Darby. In the red zone, you give the ball to your playmaker... Coaching 101

and with SP as QB, I wouldn't pass till I absolutely HAD to.

[Neo]

Really!! The biggest Playmaker UA had on O was Darby. In the red zone, you give the ball to your playmaker... Coaching 101

and with SP as QB, I wouldn't pass till I absolutely HAD to.


That's what I was saying Nooga. The poster I was responding to was complaining that they shouldn't have run Darby. I was just pointing out that I didn't think Shula had any other choice. :)

[troxel3]

Kinda seems like things are falling apart for Bama.......

[Neo]

Kinda seems like things are falling apart for Bama.......

My advice for Bama:

1. Keep running a clean program.
2. Recruit, recruit, recruit.


If Bama does those to things verbatim, I can see them contending for the SEC in 2006. :)

[Jordan]

Kinda seems like things are falling apart for Bama.......
I don't see it that way.... in what way do you see things falling apart? Because someone mentioned the loss of Pennington? Even if he did stay for next season, we've got a more talented QB that was grey-shirted this year, as well as a very talented QB recruit that is committed to us right now. One of them would likely take over the backup QB spot anyhow.

Just curious if you could extend on what other ways you think we're falling apart?

[Tidetalk]

The problem with that is it's a double edged sword. If he were to call for a "fade" and it was dropped or intercepted, people would want his head on a platter. Playing the "run" is a safe bet if you have a good TB. Either way, the soonest I see Bama competiting for the SEC West is 2006. That gives them two (2) full years of recruiting to build some depth to the NCAA ravaged squad of 2004. :)

Good point. In fact, Pennington had just thrown an interception the series before when we were on the 5 yard line. The problem, as it turns out now, was that Darby was hurt more than anyone knew at the time. Shula did not have many options.

[bucksutton]

Everyone is entiltled to there opinion. It sounds like to me you other Tide fans think Shula is doing a great job. We have not had a good coach since Gene Stallings retired. Only time will tell.

[Tidetalk]

Everyone is entiltled to there opinion. It sounds like to me you other Tide fans think Shula is doing a great job. We have not had a good coach since Gene Stallings retired. Only time will tell.

That's true, we are all entitled to our opinion. I would like to give Shula enough time to make a fair assessment before I decide if he is a good or bad coach. I think he has done fine based on the circumstances and he is doing a great job of recruiting even though it is a "down" year in the state of Alabama for high school players. That has normally spelled doom for UA recruiting, but Shula has made inroads into NW Fla to make up the difference. That should pay off down the road.

[bucksutton]

That's true, we are all entitled to our opinion. I would like to give Shula enough time to make a fair assessment before I decide if he is a good or bad coach. I think he has done fine based on the circumstances and he is doing a great job of recruiting even though it is a "down" year in the state of Alabama for high school players. That has normally spelled doom for UA recruiting, but Shula has made inroads into NW Fla to make up the difference. That should pay off down the road.
You brought up a good subject," TIME" . How long do you think a coach should be given to see if he can build a program?

[Neo]

You brought up a good subject," TIME" . How long do you think a coach should be given to see if he can build a program?

In Shula's case, I say seven (7) years. He inherited a team that had the "ball" dropped on them by the NCAA.

Other than that, I say six (6) years should be the grading point. :) Granted it takes time to build a dynasty, but the 6 year mark should be a measuring point.

[Jordan]

Seven years is a bit much IMO, even in Shula's situation. This year (year 3) will be a trying year for him, at least in the eyes of most people in Alabama. I for one will still not be judging him quite yet, based on it being the first year without scholly restrictions. I think 5 seasons is the perfect number for him to show whether or not he is the right man to stick around here for awhile. Year 4 will be the year to see what he is capable of, and year 5 will either make or break his career at UA.

Without a doubt though, I think he HAS BEEN the right man for the job to get us through our probationary period. Although his record isn't that great, he's had a heck of a first two seasons with what he had. He's really opened up the gates to recruiting for us compared to other recent years, and we should have some really good depth for quite a while to come. The next couple of seasons will prove whether or not he is the right man to stick around.

To do well, he's going to have to be much less conservative in his play-calling. As opposed to many thoughts around the area, I think he'll do just that. He had no choice but to be conservative in many situations this past year, with an injured backfield and just a mediocre QB in the game. As long as he has some decent depth for the major positions, I think he'll be able to feel more comfortable calling some more gutsy plays in years to come.

[CrimsonTide42]

I'm just wondering one thing.....when UT comes to town and beats Bama AGAIN, what will the excuse be?


By that time Ucheat maybe on probation !!!! Which is very likely.

[Jordan]

By that time Ucheat maybe on probation !!!! Which is very likely.
But even if they were on probation (which I don't think they will be), it shouldn't make a difference in this season's game. It's going to be a close one indeed. :)

[troxel3]

By that time Ucheat maybe on probation !!!! Which is very likely.

And you are assuming that on what? Let's get some facts, not your personal gripes with UT because they have owned Bama for the past decade.

[bucksutton]

And you are assuming that on what? Let's get some facts, not your personal gripes with UT because they have owned Bama for the past decade.
Trox , your bowels must be tore up because everything you say amounts to a big pile!!
I'm sorry if Bama bothers you that much, cause thats all you talk about. Let me ask you, If Tenn beats other teams, do you mention it on here? All I ever here you talk about is when you beat Bama. We really must be a Legend to you! Thank you for telling us how important it is for you to beat us.

[troxel3]

Once again, when someone who accuses UT of cheating is confronted with any type of factual evidence, they quickly change the subject to avoid humiliation.

Nice try, though. Next batter..............

[Jordan]

Once again, when someone who accuses UT of cheating is confronted with any type of factual evidence, they quickly change the subject to avoid humiliation.

Nice try, though. Next batter..............
I'm agreeing with you on this one...

UT isn't going to be on probation anytime soon. I wish everyone could put these gripes behind them, and worry about whose team will come out on top ON THE FIELD.

[GeauxTo]

Seven years is a bit much IMO, even in Shula's situation. This year (year 3) will be a trying year for him, at least in the eyes of most people in Alabama. I for one will still not be judging him quite yet, based on it being the first year without scholly restrictions. I think 5 seasons is the perfect number for him to show whether or not he is the right man to stick around here for awhile. Year 4 will be the year to see what he is capable of, and year 5 will either make or break his career at UA.

Without a doubt though, I think he HAS BEEN the right man for the job to get us through our probationary period. Although his record isn't that great, he's had a heck of a first two seasons with what he had. He's really opened up the gates to recruiting for us compared to other recent years, and we should have some really good depth for quite a while to come. The next couple of seasons will prove whether or not he is the right man to stick around.

To do well, he's going to have to be much less conservative in his play-calling. As opposed to many thoughts around the area, I think he'll do just that. He had no choice but to be conservative in many situations this past year, with an injured backfield and just a mediocre QB in the game. As long as he has some decent depth for the major positions, I think he'll be able to feel more comfortable calling some more gutsy plays in years to come.


HAS BEEN is a strange choice of words for a BAMA fan...

;)

[BAMA NATE]

Once again, all you other SEC fans are wrong about Bama.

DeL, you gave up on our chances when you heard Pennington was gone. What is that? :confused:

He was NOT a valuable player and it will have no effect on our chances this year. I'm still saying we take the West. It sounds like you were waiting for the smallest reason to down the Tide. :confused:

[Tidetalk]

You brought up a good subject," TIME" . How long do you think a coach should be given to see if he can build a program?
Generally, I think 4 years. In Shula's case, the clock starts running this year on him in my opinion. He should start showing progress each year from this year forward. But, he needs a fair chance to rebuild the program.

[CrimsonTide42]

And you are assuming that on what? Let's get some facts, not your personal gripes with UT because they have owned Bama for the past decade.

The tables will turn and your orange clad friends will be shocked !!! It is coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't worry it will happen!!!

[CrimsonTide42]

Generally, I think 4 years. In Shula's case, the clock starts running this year on him in my opinion. He should start showing progress each year from this year forward. But, he needs a fair chance to rebuild the program.

I think Shula will be given 3 yrs, and if he can't hack it - he will be gone. There is no reason to let it go on if he goes 6-6 . Alabama has not faired very
well these last two years and the schedule only get's tougher. The best team
Alabama has beaten in two years was Sou. Miss., and that's not saying very
much!!! Shula may be able to recruit and he will have to start recruiting classes in the top 5 in the nation on a consistent basis and I don't know if he
can do that. But it does not matter if he can't coach them properly.

[nooneLT]

he'll have at least 2 more years. right now the higher ups like the stability that shula is creating, and look at our recruiting, everyone's saying how surprised they are how good alabama's doing in recruiting

[Neo]

I think Shula will be given 3 yrs, and if he can't hack it - he will be gone. There is no reason to let it go on if he goes 6-6 . Alabama has not faired very
well these last two years and the schedule only get's tougher. The best team
Alabama has beaten in two years was Sou. Miss., and that's not saying very
much!!! Shula may be able to recruit and he will have to start recruiting classes in the top 5 in the nation on a consistent basis and I don't know if he
can do that. But it does not matter if he can't coach them properly.

They haven't fared well because of probation and scolly reductions. Neither one of those are Shula's fault.

[BAMA NATE]

I think Shula deserves a couple more seasons. If we're still only a six or seven -win team at the end of 2006, I think we should then give him the boot. He should do fairly well in recruiting. There are still a lot of big high school talents out there that want to come to a tradition rich school like Alabama. I'm expecting at least a TOP 15 recruiting class from him.

[Noah.Dreams]

Alabama will be fortunate to win 7 games in 2005. Injuries will be their biggest obstacle for the next two years

[Neo]

Alabama will be fortunate to win 7 games in 2005. Injuries will be their biggest obstacle for the next two years


A very good and honest post Noah. I just don't think the "depth" problem at Bama is a one year fix. I say 2006 is the year Bama needs to aim for. :D

[Jordan]

A very good and honest post Noah. I just don't think the "depth" problem at Bama is a one year fix. I say 2006 is the year Bama needs to aim for. :D
But our depth problems will only TRULY affect our season if we have injuries. But, as the past few seasons have shown us, injuries are almost a sure thing. In the unlikely event that we have no major injuries, I think we could win more than 7 games. Otherwise, I'm going with a best case 7-4 season.

[GeauxTo]

I think Shula deserves a couple more seasons. If we're still only a six or seven -win team at the end of 2006, I think we should then give him the boot. He should do fairly well in recruiting. There are still a lot of big high school talents out there that want to come to a tradition rich school like Alabama. I'm expecting at least a TOP 15 recruiting class from him.

Well, if Shula doesn't work out in the end, maybe Bama should give Mike Price another chance. Look what he's doing at UTEP.
;)

[Jordan]

Well, if Shula doesn't work out in the end, maybe Bama should give Mike Price another chance. Look what he's doing at UTEP.
;)
Bleh, I could care less what he's doing at UTEP. Everyone is so worked up over that, but look at the teams he played. I mean first off, the WAC is not that tough of a conference. And secondly, most of the teams he beat had losing records.... many even had only 2 or 3 wins all season. Fresno State and Hawaii were UTEP's only two big wins, and even the Fresno State game was a close one.

Plus, he already had multiple chances. People (including the media) back when the stripper incident happened were all criticizing Bama for not giving Price a second chance. If they had dug deeper, they would have found out that it was not the first time he had behaved this way..... it was simply the first incident that was nationally publicized. I know a few bartenders who saw him behaving inappropriately on several occasions in Tuscaloosa, but I'm not going to go into details on any of the events. And from what I've heard, he had been warned on those instances about his behavior. So in essence, he's already had a second chance and blew it.

[GeauxTo]

Bleh, I could care less what he's doing at UTEP. Everyone is so worked up over that, but look at the teams he played. I mean first off, the WAC is not that tough of a conference. And secondly, most of the teams he beat had losing records.... many even had only 2 or 3 wins all season. Fresno State and Hawaii were UTEP's only two big wins, and even the Fresno State game was a close one.

Plus, he already had multiple chances. People (including the media) back when the stripper incident happened were all criticizing Bama for not giving Price a second chance. If they had dug deeper, they would have found out that it was not the first time he had behaved this way..... it was simply the first incident that was nationally publicized. I know a few bartenders who saw him behaving inappropriately on several occasions in Tuscaloosa, but I'm not going to go into details on any of the events. And from what I've heard, he had been warned on those instances about his behavior. So in essence, he's already had a second chance and blew it.

Well, it looks like Mike Price has had ample opportunity to rectify, but evidently, he hasn't. You know, I was wondering why LSU didn't even give him a look, but I guess your post pretty much explains that, too. Too bad when someone lets a character flaw get the best of them. Looks like he would learn. Oh well...
;)

[Neo]

Well, it looks like Mike Price has had ample opportunity to rectify, but evidently, he hasn't. You know, I was wondering why LSU didn't even give him a look, but I guess your post pretty much explains that, too. Too bad when someone lets a character flaw get the best of them. Looks like he would learn. Oh well...
;)

Mike Price + Bourbon St. = Bad news! :D

[GeauxTo]

Mike Price + Bourbon St. = Bad news! :D

Probably so.
;)

[Neo]

Probably so.
;)

Probably??????

Probably more than likely. :D

[BAMA NATE]

When Alabama fired Mike Price, I thought we were making a mistake. Like him, I was wondering what ever happened to second chances. I changed my mind when he started crapping out lawsuits on us. He just could'nt let it go. Sometimes its best to just move on and never look back. I wish him the worst of luck in the future.

[fernandomike]

Mike Price is an excellent coach. Let he who has never had a hooker on his lap (or better yet in his hotel room) cast the first stone.

[Neo]

Mike Price is an excellent coach. Let he who has never had a hooker on his lap (or better yet in his hotel room) cast the first stone.

At his current progress, Price will be back in serious college football in no time! :D

[sully00]

I'm not really sure Shula makes the call with croyle. Have you ever noticied that it seems that brodie has such an ego and it seems to surface sometimes that shula seems to cave-in like brodie seems to be calling the shots. the guy is very aggressive and i actually think that MS really listens to him. Gosh i wish we had the " Ole Ball Coach ".

[Neo]

I'm not really sure Shula makes the call with croyle. Have you ever noticied that it seems that brodie has such an ego and it seems to surface sometimes that shula seems to cave-in like brodie seems to be calling the shots. the guy is very aggressive and i actually think that MS really listens to him1 Gosh i wish we had the " Ole Ball Coach ".

If I were yall, I would aim for Southern Cal's OC Norm Chow. Do you really think he's going to want to be an OC for the rest of his life? :D

[nooneLT]

norm chow will definetly get a HC somewhere. and as for brodie pushing around shula, i just don't see that.

[Jordan]

and as for brodie pushing around shula, i just don't see that.

I'll agree completely with that. From what little I've seen/heard/learned about him as a person, I have seen that he demands a lot of respect out of his players. I honestly don't think he would let anyone (even a starting QB) push him around the least...

[Neo]

I'll agree completely with that. From what little I've seen/heard/learned about him as a person, I have seen that he demands a lot of respect out of his players. I honestly don't think he would let anyone (even a starting QB) push him around the least...

Shula is a decent human being and I don't see him letting a 17 year old snotrag telling him what to do. :D

[BAMA NATE]

Snotrag? :confused:

Brodie Croyle is also a good kid. I'm sure that he would never challenge his coach's authority. There are some cases where I would rather see Brodie call the shots though. Punting on 4th and 2 millimeters.

WHAT IS THAT? :D

[Neo]

Snotrag? :confused:

Brodie Croyle is also a good kid. I'm sure that he would never challenge his coach's authority. There are some cases where I would rather see Brodie call the shots though. Punting on 4th and 2 millimeters.

WHAT IS THAT? :D


Snotrag = A stupid arrogant kid that thinks he can tell the coach what to do.

What I was saying is that Shula wouldn't put up with a player telling him what to do. The SS Bama is his ship. :D

[bbqit]

Snotrag = A stupid arrogant kid that thinks he can tell the coach what to do.

What I was saying is that Shula wouldn't put up with a player telling him what to do. The SS Bama is his ship. :D


that is a personal attack del. do onto others

[Neo]

that is a personal attack del. do onto others

Not it isn't and quit grasping at straws. Don't jump into the middle of a conversation and think you know what it's about.

[Neo]

Not it isn't and quit grasping at straws. Don't jump into the middle of a conversation and think you know what it's about.

It is not a personal attack on a member of the board. :D

Good try though.

[bbqit]

It is not a personal attack on a member of the board. :D

Good try though.

cool enough, i must have misunderstood the context. i would never say anything not deserved to a member of the board nor would i ever think a member of the board would use their position to attack anyone else.

[Neo]

cool enough, i must have misunderstood the context. i would never say anything not deserved to a member of the board nor would i ever think a member of the board would use their position to attack anyone else.

The context is that there are rumors of Bama's players telling Coach Shula what to do.

I replied by saying:

Shula is a decent human being and I don't see him letting a 17 year old snotrag telling him what to do. :D

[bbqit]

The context is that there are rumors of Bama's players telling Coach Shula what to do.

I replied by saying:

well, i would be amazed if a 17 yr snotrag did tell a sec coach what to do. since it has become known now, how many do bama have?

[Jordan]

The context is that there are rumors of Bama's players telling Coach Shula what to do.

I replied by saying:
I wouldn't even classify that as a rumor.... just a member's opinion on it.

[Neo]

I wouldn't even classify that as a rumor.... just a member's opinion on it.

You know what I was trying to say though Jordan. Some people read too far into things. :D

[troxel3]

Bama fans keep your fingers crossed......Mikell Simpson will announce tommorrow and Bama is on his list.

4 star RB. 6'0", 185lbs, 4.38-40.......that's fasssssssssssst.

[Djshockley3]

He is good bama needs him.

[Neo]

He is good bama needs him.


4.38 in the 40 is quite impressive. That tells me that he has the breakaway speed even though he doesn't have the size to plow over people. :D

[Djshockley3]

Yeah,4.3 is flying,thats fast.

[fernandomike]

4.3 is too fast. It seems like all these guys coming out of high school run a 4.3 It kinda makes me wonder who is holding the stop watch.

[Neo]

4.3 is too fast. It seems like all these guys coming out of high school run a 4.3 It kinda makes me wonder who is holding the stop watch.

((Shrugging shoulders))) :D

[Tidetalk]

Bama fans keep your fingers crossed......Mikell Simpson will announce tommorrow and Bama is on his list.

4 star RB. 6'0", 185lbs, 4.38-40.......that's fasssssssssssst.

I think he goes to Virginia. Roy Upchurch is the coaches #1 target at RB.

[GeauxTo]

I wouldn't even classify that as a rumor.... just a member's opinion on it.

You know, as a fan from an opposing school, I have a great deal of respect for Shula. To me, he is a class act; very attentive to detail, a hard worker, a good teacher, and a good model for his kids. I just cannot see a player being disrespectful to him. And, if it happened, I think he would handle it appropriately.
;)