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cocky4ever
12-28-2004, 03:07 PM
VERY good points made.
http://www.scam.com/images/pentagon.swf
dudeman0501
12-28-2004, 03:17 PM
Wow. I'd say. So, where did that plane go?
Wow. I'd say. So, where did that plane go?
Dang...That was creepy!
volimhtown
12-28-2004, 04:23 PM
WOW...That'll get your attention!!!
it's not playing, what was the jist?
dudeman0501
12-28-2004, 07:11 PM
Works for me.
You might need to download Macromedia Flash Player.
allaboutavol
12-28-2004, 07:28 PM
Alrighty then, cozy little bedtime story ya got there. Very interesting. I would love to see those other "unreleased" tapes
allaboutavol
12-28-2004, 07:31 PM
Wow. I'd say. So, where did that plane go?
No plane boss.
I get to the green screen and it gives the rating, but that's all it does, it never starts to play....
dudeman0501
12-28-2004, 08:03 PM
Does the loading bar at the bottom move?
no, what do I need to do?
dudeman0501
12-28-2004, 08:33 PM
Weird. If you have a slow connection, it could take some time to load.
I don't know what to do.
cocky4ever
12-28-2004, 08:48 PM
Wow. I'd say. So, where did that plane go?
If it was a plane where did it go? If it wasn't a plane then what was it?
dudeman0501
12-28-2004, 08:57 PM
If it was a plane where did it go? If it wasn't a plane then what was it?
Well, there was a AA flight 77. It and all the people on board had to go somewhere.
From the pictures, it don't look like a plane hit it.
Well, there was a AA flight 77. It and all the people on board had to go somewhere.
From the pictures, it don't look like a plane hit it.
Like I said before, I have worked with the NTSB & FBI before. The NTSB will say anything that the FBI tells them to say.
All of yall may write me off as a "crackpot", but you really need to check out the book "Breakdown" by: Bill Gertz (Washington Post Investigative Reporter)
In his book, he gave explainations on all of this and has circumstantial evidence that links 9/11/01 to the passing of the Patriot Act. It was a very good book and it had me asking myself as a "Fed" really big questions.
It also talks about TWA Flight 800 that was SHOT down.
a little off topic, are the fed benefits pretty good? how many years till you draw pension?
a little off topic, are the fed benefits pretty good? how many years till you draw pension?
I quit the Federal Service. There are a lot of screwed up things there that I felt I could NOT be a part of. (Lots of sweeping under the rug)
a little off topic, are the fed benefits pretty good? how many years till you draw pension?
Their benefits are great.
You cannot draw a pension until you have been there at least 15 years I believe. I was there for 5 years when I decided I had enough.
jesus christ, I just got to see the thing. What in the hell is going on? What would be the purpose of covering up that either a smaller plane or missile hit the pentagon, I didn't know it went through 4 rings of the pentagon, how could even a smaller plane do that? It had to have been a missile if you ask me. I can only think that the only reason they are covering it up is because AA 77 is lost...??? Anybody got anything, theories?
jesus christ, I just got to see the thing. What in the hell is going on? What would be the purpose of covering up that either a smaller plane or missile hit the pentagon, I didn't know it went through 4 rings of the pentagon, how could even a smaller plane do that? It had to have been a missile if you ask me. I can only think that the only reason they are covering it up is because AA 77 is lost...??? Anybody got anything, theories?
It's like Bill Gertz was saying in his book (Breakdown). He believes and has circumstantial evidence to prove his point that this was orchestrated to pass the controversial Patriot Act.
The P.A. was passed into law less than 2 weeks after Sept 11th. Fear can be a beautiful thing when you want to do something that may have resistance otherwise. Think of the irony, we are going to take away a few certain freedoms that Americans enjoy to protect your freedoms from terrorists.
Total Bull....! As a former employee of the Dept. of Homeland Security, it's a crock of ......
I could see that, how about Iraq 2003-to present, that obviously was not an immediate threat to us, so it was orchestrated to cover our eyes for what? Sept.11th for the P.A., but what about Iraq War #2? I wonder what's really going on, I never believed in x-file, gov't conspiracy stuff until the aftermath of Sept.11th, there is so little that me and average joe citizen actually know about the attacks, all we know is that we hate al quadea, hate bin laden, who actually hasn't been seen alive by u.s. officials since the 90's (is he really still alive or just a convenient scape goat), and we hated Iraq in 2003 b/c the gov't told us to, I'm guilty of it too, I didn't really start thinking of these things until early 2004.....
I could see that, how about Iraq 2003-to present, that obviously was not an immediate threat to us, so it was orchestrated to cover our eyes for what? Sept.11th for the P.A., but what about Iraq War #2? I wonder what's really going on, I never believed in x-file, gov't conspiracy stuff until the aftermath of Sept.11th, there is so little that me and average joe citizen actually know about the attacks, all we know is that we hate al quadea, hate bin laden, who actually hasn't been seen alive by u.s. officials since the 90's (is he really still alive or just a convenient scape goat), and we hated Iraq in 2003 b/c the gov't told us to, I'm guilty of it too, I didn't really start thinking of these things until early 2004.....
Why do you hate Osama Bin Laden & Al Qaeda?
Because the US Government has told you that he was responsible for Sept 11th.
This is the same government that had our own president assassinated. The same government that has constantly tried to crack down on your liberties. The same government that has tried to restrict gun ownership, etc, etc.
Here's a quote that I liked from that webpage:
Look at it this way. If the US (or any) government states that something is "the truth", but does not provide any evidence to back up their claim, and if there is evidence to show that what they have said is actually unlikely to be "the truth", then is it not reasonable to assume that the government may be attempting to hide something? Furthermore, in this case, is it not reasonable that some people might try and find out what the real truth is?
We think that it is not only reasonable for us to search for the truth but it is also our responsibility. It is not however our responsibility to attempt to defend the government and explain on their behalf WHY they are not providing all the facts to the people. When clear questions are raised about the official government story, it is the government's responsibility to clear up those questions.
Here's another quote from the site....It was an interview with a former Russian high official and specialist in Russian Secret Services
"You see, analyzing this situation, I was struck by one significant fact: it is known that there were telephone calls from the plane. One of the calling persons was a professional journalist. And yet, not one of the calling individuals said that they were being hijacked by "muslim terrorists." There was, apparently, nothing unusual about the appearance of the hijackers. There was no attempt to describe them. No one said: "Muslim terrorists have hijacked the plane," which would have logically been the first comment by this journalist IF it was apparent that the hijackers were "foreign." There was obviously nothing unusual about them in terms of appearance, accent, pronunciation, or other similar factors."
that's what I was implying, we hate osama, al quadea, etc., but don't really know why (i.e. don't have conclusive proof to back up the hate). Hell we supplied/financed Osama in the 1980's..., although I will say gov't conspiracy or not, Osama is one of the bad guys on this planet, he had done alot of bad things many years before 9/11, that's besides the point though....
that's what I was implying, we hate osama, al quadea, etc., but don't really know why (i.e. don't have conclusive proof to back up the hate). Hell we supplied/financed Osama in the 1980's..., although I will say gov't conspiracy or not, Osama is one of the bad guys on this planet, he had done alot of bad things many years before 9/11, that's besides the point though....
Like I said, check out the book "Breakdown". You are a student at USC right RW? If so, just head to the main library. They should have it. Here's a few interesting reads....
Breakdown
By: Bill Gertz
Dereliction Of Duty
By: Lt. Col. Robert Patterson (Carrier of the nuclear football)
BlackHawk Down
By: Mark Bowden
Ambush at Ruby Ridge
By: Alan W. Bock
Some of these books are in my personal collection and they WILL open your eyes.
Here's another interesting Rumsfeld quote out of Parade Magazine and it it published at the DOD.gov webpage:
Interview with Lyric Wallwork Winik, Parade Magazine
Q: This is a question that's been asked by many Americans, but especially by the widows of September 11th. How were we so asleep at the switch? How did a war targeting civilians arrive on our homeland with seemingly no warning?
Rumsfeld: There were lots of warnings. The intelligence information that we get, it sometimes runs into the hundreds of alerts or pieces of intelligence a week. One looks at the worldwide, it's thousands. And the task is to sort through it and see what you can find. And as you find things, the law enforcement officials who have the responsibility to deal with that type of thing -- the FBI at the federal level, and although it is not, it's an investigative service as opposed to a police force, it's not a federal police force, as you know. But the state and local law enforcement officials have the responsibility for dealing with those kinds of issues.
They [find a lot] and any number of terrorist efforts have been dissuaded, deterred or stopped by good intelligence gathering and good preventive work. It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them.
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html
Then you have the following statement during the Sept 11 hearings:
Then again, there is this statement from the questioning of Rumsfeld by 9/11 Commissioner Jamie S. Gorelick during the commission hearings:
GORELICK: Well, I expect that you would. So now I would like to talk about the aspects that were in your control. I had a conversation with Secretary Wolfowitz's -- one of his predecessors, when the 1996 Olympics were being planned about what do we do when an aircraft is being hijacked and is flying into a stadium at the Olympics? What is the military's response? What is it's role? And it has always been my assumption that even though, yes, you were looking out, that you have a responsibility to protect our airspace. So my question is: In this summer of threat, what did you do to protect, let's just say the Pentagon, from attack? Where were our aircraft when a missile is heading toward the Pentagon? Surely that is within the Pentagon's responsibility to protect -- force protection, to protect our facilities, to protect something -- our headquarters, the Pentagon. Is there anything that we did at the Pentagon to prevent that harm in the spring and summer of '01?
I don't understand the gorelick quote, wolfowitz is the asst. sec. of defense, william perry was the sec. of defense in 1996, gorelick asked who about what they did in 1996?
cocky4ever
12-29-2004, 08:25 AM
jesus christ, I just got to see the thing. What in the hell is going on? What would be the purpose of covering up that either a smaller plane or missile hit the pentagon, I didn't know it went through 4 rings of the pentagon, how could even a smaller plane do that? It had to have been a missile if you ask me. I can only think that the only reason they are covering it up is because AA 77 is lost...??? Anybody got anything, theories?
Thats a good point that they are covering up for the fact that 77 is lost. I also think that the plane being shot down in PA and the attack on the pentagon could have possibly been done by the same plane. It had to be a missle that hit the pentagon because no wings or tail was ever found at the pentagon. Who launched the missle? Also even a smaller plane would have caused a wider area of damage on the outer layers but not made it to the inner layers. Bush jr. said even before he was "elected" the first time that he felt his dad had ruined a perfectly good opportunity in Iraq and should have stayed there and gotten power in that country. Their family is an oil empire. Of course they want oil. Iraq is the easiest target because our govt. isnt friends with them like they are the Saudi's. Supposedly most of the hi-jackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden grew up in Saudi Arabia.
Our govt. would never fight with Saudi Arabia though, because they have too much money in our economy. In fact, their financial interest is almost the same as the Bush administrations: oil, rebuilding programs like Halliburton, and military equipment. Instead of fighting them they go to an easy target in Afghanistan and start dropping billions of dollars worth of bombs on mountains and killing relatively few people. Afghanistan would also be an easy project for a group like Halliburton because the people have been so poor there that any improvement would be welcomed by the majority. So Afghanistan was an easy target that helped companies with those certain interests. It also helped to turn the attention away from Saudi Arabia. It was a win/win situation for the Bush cabinet.
That was just the 1st step though. The real target was Iraq and the oil that came with it. Like I said before bush jr. thought his dad made a mistake in Iraq. Jr. would use any reason to go into that country for what he wanted. He put the american people in a state of fear and then told them of the weapons of mass destruction over there. By this time he had already been spending the money he planned to get from the oil. Thats why the first thing he did when he got there was to secure the oil wells. Well, as I'm sure it's becoming more and more obvious, Iraq is no Afghanistan. Before we got there Iraq was a small threat like many of the other countries over there. We have turned Iraq into the demon that bush jr. made it out to be in the first place to convince us to go over there. I must say that I am a lot more scared of the American govt. than I am of most govts. in the world.
cocky4ever
12-30-2004, 08:33 AM
Here's a quote that I liked from that webpage:
Look at it this way. If the US (or any) government states that something is "the truth", but does not provide any evidence to back up their claim, and if there is evidence to show that what they have said is actually unlikely to be "the truth", then is it not reasonable to assume that the government may be attempting to hide something? Furthermore, in this case, is it not reasonable that some people might try and find out what the real truth is?
We think that it is not only reasonable for us to search for the truth but it is also our responsibility. It is not however our responsibility to attempt to defend the government and explain on their behalf WHY they are not providing all the facts to the people. When clear questions are raised about the official government story, it is the government's responsibility to clear up those questions.
Here's another interesting point. The missle or whatever it was hit the pentagon in the very same area that had been under renovation for months. Did the govt. prepare the area for the strike, as if they knew it was coming?
TigerFanatic
12-30-2004, 06:44 PM
just saw the video, and wow. just wow. a lot of very interesting questions brought up by what that showed.
i'm a big fan of conspiracies and such, but i just find it hard to believe with all the leaks and such that something of THIS magnitude could be hidden this long from the press, the american public,much less the world.
yea, i think there's a lot of shady and ugly things going on withen our government that we the people are completely oblivious about, but i just can't picture something of this magnitude.
i'm a firm believer that our current president is an extremely intelligent man, much more intelligent then most people give him credit for, but i don't think he is capable of orchestrating and manipulating enough people to pull something like this off. t
great point cocky4ever, just happened to be renovating that side....
cocky4ever
01-14-2005, 05:59 PM
just saw the video, and wow. just wow. a lot of very interesting questions brought up by what that showed.
i'm a big fan of conspiracies and such, but i just find it hard to believe with all the leaks and such that something of THIS magnitude could be hidden this long from the press, the american public,much less the world.
yea, i think there's a lot of shady and ugly things going on withen our government that we the people are completely oblivious about, but i just can't picture something of this magnitude.
i'm a firm believer that our current president is an extremely intelligent man, much more intelligent then most people give him credit for, but i don't think he is capable of orchestrating and manipulating enough people to pull something like this off. t
So you are saying that our president could not orchestrate something like that but bin Laden can?
AuburnandGamecockGirl
01-14-2005, 06:56 PM
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
If you look at the slideshow on the original link on this thread, you can see that a whole second has been skipped over. It goes from 19 to 21 and leaves out 20...when the plane hit. Please go to this link and see the REAL undoctored photos of the plane that crashed into the pentagon on Sept. 11th. Scroll down to see the pictures that include the wreckage of the plane.
SeattleGamecocks
01-14-2005, 06:56 PM
Thats a good point that they are covering up for the fact that 77 is lost. I also think that the plane being shot down in PA and the attack on the pentagon could have possibly been done by the same plane. It had to be a missle that hit the pentagon because no wings or tail was ever found at the pentagon. Who launched the missle? Also even a smaller plane would have caused a wider area of damage on the outer layers but not made it to the inner layers. Bush jr. said even before he was "elected" the first time that he felt his dad had ruined a perfectly good opportunity in Iraq and should have stayed there and gotten power in that country. Their family is an oil empire. Of course they want oil. Iraq is the easiest target because our govt. isnt friends with them like they are the Saudi's. Supposedly most of the hi-jackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden grew up in Saudi Arabia.
Our govt. would never fight with Saudi Arabia though, because they have too much money in our economy. In fact, their financial interest is almost the same as the Bush administrations: oil, rebuilding programs like Halliburton, and military equipment. Instead of fighting them they go to an easy target in Afghanistan and start dropping billions of dollars worth of bombs on mountains and killing relatively few people. Afghanistan would also be an easy project for a group like Halliburton because the people have been so poor there that any improvement would be welcomed by the majority. So Afghanistan was an easy target that helped companies with those certain interests. It also helped to turn the attention away from Saudi Arabia. It was a win/win situation for the Bush cabinet.
That was just the 1st step though. The real target was Iraq and the oil that came with it. Like I said before bush jr. thought his dad made a mistake in Iraq. Jr. would use any reason to go into that country for what he wanted. He put the american people in a state of fear and then told them of the weapons of mass destruction over there. By this time he had already been spending the money he planned to get from the oil. Thats why the first thing he did when he got there was to secure the oil wells. Well, as I'm sure it's becoming more and more obvious, Iraq is no Afghanistan. Before we got there Iraq was a small threat like many of the other countries over there. We have turned Iraq into the demon that bush jr. made it out to be in the first place to convince us to go over there. I must say that I am a lot more scared of the American govt. than I am of most govts. in the world.
Yup. Ditto that mostly. Afghanistan was a good move. We should have gone in there in 2000 to assassinate Bin Laden w/ the plan Clinton's administration handed over to Condoleeza Rice.
Yup. Ditto that mostly. Afghanistan was a good move. We should have gone in there in 2000 to assassinate Bin Laden w/ the plan Clinton's administration handed over to Condoleeza Rice.
Now that I don't agree with. The only thing "Billy" cared about was getting his mug on TV. BTW: How many terrorist attacks did this country endure during Clinton's term?
1. WTC (1st Bombing)
2. Oklahoma City
3. TWA Flight 800
4. USS Cole
5. Barracks in Saudi Arabia
6. US Embassy's in Africa
I find it funny that he had a "plan" in place when Bush took over considering all of the attacks this country suffered. For me to believe that Clinton had a plan to combat terrorism, I would have to believe in the "Single Bullet" theory also. :)
SeattleGamecocks
01-17-2005, 01:44 PM
Now that I don't agree with. The only thing "Billy" cared about was getting his mug on TV. BTW: How many terrorist attacks did this country endure during Clinton's term?
1. WTC (1st Bombing)
2. Oklahoma City
3. TWA Flight 800
4. USS Cole
5. Barracks in Saudi Arabia
6. US Embassy's in Africa
I find it funny that he had a "plan" in place when Bush took over considering all of the attacks this country suffered. For me to believe that Clinton had a plan to combat terrorism, I would have to believe in the "Single Bullet" theory also. :)
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=350#a011901sanctions
The plan was there.
Stockcock
01-17-2005, 06:23 PM
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
If you look at the slideshow on the original link on this thread, you can see that a whole second has been skipped over. It goes from 19 to 21 and leaves out 20...when the plane hit. Please go to this link and see the REAL undoctored photos of the plane that crashed into the pentagon on Sept. 11th. Scroll down to see the pictures that include the wreckage of the plane.
Thank you for debunking all this conspiracy stuff. Events can be manipulated so easily by people who are inclined to revise history for political reasons.
cocky4ever
01-17-2005, 09:29 PM
Thank you for debunking all this conspiracy stuff. Events can be manipulated so easily by people who are inclined to revise history for political reasons.
By this thread I just intended to open peoples eyes to another possibility of what happened. If you believe a certain way you are goin to accept anything that supports your point of view and discredit anything that goes against what you believe. I personally find the video, of which I posted a link to at the beginning of this thread, to be more convincing than the pictures at the link that AuburnGamecockGirl posted. I dont see how these pictures debunked the "conspiracy", as you call it. You feel how you feel and I cant change that, but there are intersting points brought up by this video.
By this thread I just intended to open peoples eyes to another possibility of what happened. If you believe a certain way you are goin to accept anything that supports your point of view and discredit anything that goes against what you believe. I personally find the video, of which I posted a link to at the beginning of this thread, to be more convincing than the pictures at the link that AuburnGamecockGirl posted. I dont see how these pictures debunked the "conspiracy", as you call it. You feel how you feel and I cant change that, but there are intersting points brought up by this video.
Look at it this way Cocky, after I saw that, I began my own research on 9-11 and posted what I had found on this site. For those that automatically refuse to accept this video as a possibility, I dug up my own info.
A month or two ago, I called up a few friends of mine that work/worked with the NTSB back when I was with the Dept. of Homeland Security. All but one of them thinks that a plane wasn't involved. One of them by the name of Thomas stated that the NTSB was NOT allowed to investigate ANY of the crashes on 9-11. The FBI handled all of the investigations. Why is that? Why is it when the NTSB requested to analyze the "black" boxes and the FBI's reports, they were denied the reports and were told the black boxes were destroyed.
You can draw your own conclusions from that. :cool:
cocky4ever
03-18-2005, 07:28 AM
Look at it this way Cocky, after I saw that, I began my own research on 9-11 and posted what I had found on this site. For those that automatically refuse to accept this video as a possibility, I dug up my own info.
A month or two ago, I called up a few friends of mine that work/worked with the NTSB back when I was with the Dept. of Homeland Security. All but one of them thinks that a plane wasn't involved. One of them by the name of Thomas stated that the NTSB was NOT allowed to investigate ANY of the crashes on 9-11. The FBI handled all of the investigations. Why is that? Why is it when the NTSB requested to analyze the "black" boxes and the FBI's reports, they were denied the reports and were told the black boxes were destroyed.
You can draw your own conclusions from that. :cool:
Yeah, it's like I said though, it's easier to get someone to believe what makes them feel better than it is to get someone to look at something from another point of view, and I think the govt. uses that to its advantage a lot.. I appreciate all the research you did on those other threads. Im glad to see someone who thinks for themselves and doesnt just accept what they are told as the truth. By the way, I saw the special on the history channel about the pentagon attack and they showed video of the fire truck trying to put out the flames. Guess what, the yard of the pentagon WASNT messed up, just like it was shown in the video at the beginning of this post. Anyone who doesnt believe that should either regularly check the histroy channel to see when it comes on or order the special.
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