History of USC football in the SEC

[Neo]

Way back in 1992 after being an independent for many years, USC finally found a place to call home. That home is the Southeastern Conference. The first couple of years were quite difficult, but everything has turned out ok. The rest of the SEC has always wondered why they invited USC to join. Well apparently, former commissioner Roy Kramer saw something that we all didn't.

From day one, USC has been looked upon as the bastard step-child and USC fans have ignored it. We have never gotten respect since joining the SEC and all of you know that on any given Saturday, USC can play with the best of you. We have heard it a million times. When we win it's luck, when we lose it's rightfully so. Taking all of that into consideration, USC is behind and has feverishly been playing catch-up with the rest of the SEC.
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Enter the Holtz era. Granted, he was never as successful as he wanted to be, but he commanded the respect. As one of the winningest coaches in football history, he came and took USC up to another rung on the ladder. He brought national attention to USC and in the six (6) years he was here, USC football was on TV roughly 40+ times. Otherwise unknown to a recruit, USC is now in their minds. When Holtz said goodbye to USC, it was a sad day for college football. He (Holtz) ended his career exactly where it began....USC

Even after Holtz's retirement, it would be a travesty to allow what he has created to go off and die. So the brilliant and professional AD at USC Dr. Mike McGee brought in another coaching legend. Enter Steve Spurrier. Steve's Fun-N-Gun in Columbia? Could it be true? Well yes it's true. USC is here in the SEC and we are here to stay regardless of what the other members say. What does that say about a program when they hire two (2) of the greatest coaches in college football? What does that say when Coach Spurrier had a golden ticket to ANY school he wanted, but he chose USC? I'll tell you. USC has the top facilities, money and fan support that some schools could only dream about. Those are the facts and they cannot be disputed.

For those that don't respect USC, you are going to have a rude awakening. Coach Spurrier refuses to lose. He disdains it. He will not sit on a sixteen (16) point lead, he will pad it. He will command respect from the scoreboard. So be warned Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia. Your days are numbered and these "homecoming" USC games will not and cannot be taken for granted anymore. You are going to have to kill us for the win.
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I know what everyone is going to say. Well, we heard that when Holtz was hired. That's true. I won't deny it, but Holtz and Spurrier are two totally different teachers of the game. Holtz was a conservative "just get the win" kinda coach. Spurrier is a "slap you in the face" coach that will run up the score anytime he can. Anyone that doesn't think that Spurrier will take USC to new heights needs a serious reality check. Either that or read your college football history book. This man has not lost anywhere and he doesn't know how to lose. For everyone that is ranking USC on the bottom of the totem pole, you will be regretting that decision in about 8 months.




Welcome to the SEC.


Neo

[Neo]

Any opinions? Good or bad???

[RW13]

Good article, although I'm not sure about Spurrier=success. I will say this though, for certain we will no longer lose the games where we have a lead (like the UGA 2004 one u mentioned). Those wins alone over the past 6 years would guarantee us 8,9,and 10 wins a year. Most of our losses under Holtz were close wins, Spurrier should give us a 32 ppg average at least, 8 & 9 wins should be the norm now.....

[Neo]

Good article, although I'm not sure about Spurrier=success. I will say this though, for certain we will no longer lose the games where we have a lead (like the UGA 2004 one u mentioned). Those wins alone over the past 6 years would guarantee us 8,9,and 10 wins a year. Most of our losses under Holtz were close wins, Spurrier should give us a 32 ppg average at least, 8 & 9 wins should be the norm now.....


8+ wins a year would mean success. I just don't think anyone is giving Mr. Spurrier the credit he deserves. What do you think Dudeman????

[cocky4ever]

I think the same reason that made Spurrier interested in the job is the same reason that the SEC picked us to join the conference out of all the other options. Our fan support and facilities are great. If Spurrier takes this program to the top of the nation it will be one of those rare cases where the fans actually push a program to the top. Look at the attendance record at Williams-Brice when we went 0-11. You could probably put the attendance of the 5 major NC colleges together when they are all having winning seasons and not equal the number of fans in the stands when we went 0-11. Our fans have been there through the thick and thin and I must say that it has more often than not been very thin. However, because of our fan base we were a good choice for the SEC. Because of our fan base and facilities we were able to lure Holtz out of retirement. One thing has led to another and now we have landed the biggest free agent in college football. And it all started with USC's loyal fans.

[Neo]

Like I said, the rest of the SEC isn't going to be able to write USC off anymore. You can take that to the bank.

The moment USC hired Steve Spurrier, the rest of the SEC coaches are losing sleep every night.

[volimhtown]

I REALLY don't have anything against USC and I think they were a good addition to the SEC and made it a stronger conference. Your whining, however, doesn't serve you or your school well.
From day one, USC has been looked upon as the bastard step-child and USC fans have ignored it. We have never gotten respect since joining the SEC and all of you know that on any given Saturday, USC can play with the best of you. We have heard it a million times. When we win it's luck, when we lose it's rightfully so.
First off, how do you expect to be looked upon??? You're looked upon like a fellow SEC opponent (i.e. the enemy)! What...did the SEC welcome wagon not come knock on your door??? Get over it!!! Secondly, here's a fact...respect is EARNED, not given. True, SC for the most part plays tough against the better SEC teams, BUT, they are just as likely to lose to the SEC cellar-dwellars. In the 12 years, USC has compiled a sub-.500 record in the SEC. You've gotten the respect you DESERVE!!!!
For those that don't respect USC, you are going to have a rude awakening. Coach Spurrier refuses to lose. He disdains it. He will not sit on a sixteen (16) point lead, he will pad it. He will command respect from the scoreboard. So be warned Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia. Your days are numbered and these "homecoming" USC games will not and cannot be taken for granted anymore. You are going to have to kill us for the win.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH......Just words until (again) the respect is commanded by results!! I'm really glad that you believe that Spurrier is the answer to South Carolina's prayers, BUT until your "prophecies" actually happen on the field, just sit back and try to make the most of your mediocre reality. And trust me on this one, the Gamecocks are not anywhere near the top of Mr. Saban's, Tubberville's, Richt's, Fulmer's, and Meyer's list of things that are troubling them!!
Remember....I'm not hating on the school, just the whining fan!!!

[RW13]

My "prophecy" for Volimhtown is dental implants in the very near future. Remember, I'm not hating on you, just giving an accurate portrayal of the typical Volunteer fan who enjoys beastiality...

[Neo]

My "prophecy" for Volimhtown is dental implants in the very near future. Remember, I'm not hating on you, just giving an accurate portrayal of the typical Volunteer fan who enjoys beastiality...


Not hating the team, just hating the fans. :p

[volimhtown]

The dental implant reference I get. (Big points for originality, by the way!) HAHA
The beastiality...??? Whatever!!!
I guess you haven't an inteligible retort, so resorting to personal insults is always a good way to go!! Great job!!

[Neo]

Well you know, I state facts and you reply "We're whining."

What I find humorous is that this is coming from a fan of the biggest whiner. Phil Fulmer.

Oh yeah, respect is earned, but there is a thing called professionalism, sportsmanship, and courtesy. Something that obviously some people are lacking.

You can believe what you want. Everything that I wrote was fact and you know it.

[volimhtown]

You can believe what you want. Everything that I wrote was fact and you know it.


FACT??? WHAT FACT????
Do you know the definition of "fact"?? How do you measure how South Carolina was treated when they joined the SEC to say that what you wrote is "fact"? How can you say that the success that Spurrier you believe may one day have is "fact"??
That entire post was PERSONAL OPINION!!
My reply was FACT!!! I'm sorry you can't deal with it, but that's your issue, not mine!!!
Oh yeah, respect is earned, but there is a thing called professionalism, sportsmanship, and courtesy. Something that obviously some people are lacking.

What the hell does this apply to?? Are you implying that I'm unprofessional for having a differing opinion?? What was I discourteous about??
You know, it's nothing personal, but are you listening to yourself???
I'll get you some cheese to go with your whine!!!

[Neo]

Has USC gotten one iota of respect in football since joining the SEC? No! = Fact

That's what I was implying as fact!

Are the Vols some of the BIGGEST smack talkers in the SEC? YES!

Is Phillip Fulmer one of the whiniest coaches in the SEC? YES BY FAR.

[Hardie]

I agree with the respect is earned idea. I do believe South Carolina does get respect and isnt considered just an SEC doormat. SC has beaten Alabama a few times since joining the SEC and SC has gone to 3 or 4 bowl games I believe since joining the confrense. South Carolina was a great addition to the SEC in my opinion. They have great facilties and a great fan base. I believe also that Spurrrier will have SC on an entirely diffrent level than they have ever experienced. I am very much not a fan of Phil Fulmer either but I do respect him and his program ... to a point. For thatmatter I respect each SEC team and their coaching staff to a point. The SEC is a great confrense and there is no weak link in the SEC every school brings a diffrent strength to the confrense wether its in athletics or in the class room.

[Neo]

I agree with the respect is earned idea. I do believe South Carolina does get respect and isnt considered just an SEC doormat. SC has beaten Alabama a few times since joining the SEC and SC has gone to 3 or 4 bowl games I believe since joining the confrense. South Carolina was a great addition to the SEC in my opinion. They have great facilties and a great fan base. I believe also that Spurrrier will have SC on an entirely diffrent level than they have ever experienced. I am very much not a fan of Phil Fulmer either but I do respect him and his program ... to a point. For thatmatter I respect each SEC team and their coaching staff to a point. The SEC is a great confrense and there is no weak link in the SEC every school brings a diffrent strength to the confrense wether its in athletics or in the class room.

While USC has not won in football that much, it cannot be disputed that we are a serious force in the SEC when it comes to Baseball, Soccer and Basketball.

[RW13]

personal insults vol? or accurate portrayals like I mentioned earlier? You're gonna tell me the family cow (or wife) doesn't look good after a little Tennessee whiskey(good stuff, no joke there)?

[Hardie]

Thats the point im tryin to make , The SEC is alot more than just football and every school in the confrense brings a strenght wether its baseball , basketball , education and each school in the SEC makes a contribution. Thats why the SEC is a great quality confrense. Each school brings something special to the table.

[Neo]

Thats the point im tryin to make , The SEC is alot more than just football and every school in the confrense brings a strenght wether its baseball , basketball , education and each school in the SEC makes a contribution. Thats why the SEC is a great quality confrense. Each school brings something special to the table.

That is 110% true. Some teams are better at certain sports.

[cocky4ever]

While USC has not won in football that much, it cannot be disputed that we are a serious force in the SEC when it comes to Baseball, Soccer and Basketball.
Not to mention that USC athletes brought home 7 medals from the olympics.

[Hardie]

Auburn contributes with swimming , Alabama with Gymnastics , LSU with baseball and thats just a few schools and what they contribute outside of football.

[GRASSHOPPER]

Lets Face It. It's All About Football. That's The Money Sport.

[Hardie]

Yeah football brings in the most but I wouldnt rule out basketball in being a very close 2nd.

[Neo]

Ditto that Hardie!

[GRASSHOPPER]

Unless Your Kentucky

[Hardie]

Florida , Miss St , Alabama, Auburn , LSU , Arkansas , all these schools have a very rich basketball tradition. From Shaq-fu to Chuck Person , Charles Barkley , Sprewell throw in some national titles from Arkansas , final fours from LSU , MIss ST , Florida and some other things and SEC basketball is right up there with any confrense. This yeah college basketball is ruled by the ACC no doubt!

[QuackAttackVan]

8+ wins a year would mean success. I just don't think anyone is giving Mr. Spurrier the credit he deserves. What do you think Dudeman????


IMO, people are giving USC tons of respect.

Spurrier is known as a great coach but he has yet to actually win anything at all.

I am not sure what else USC fans want. You need to win to earn respect. Not expect others to just give it.

[Neo]

IMO, people are giving USC tons of respect.

Spurrier is known as a great coach but he has yet to actually win anything at all.

I am not sure what else USC fans want. You need to win to earn respect. Not expect others to just give it.

What do you mean by he has yet to actually win anything at all? Please explain that?



HA! That's coming from a fan of a school that thought they got the shaft in 2002. Considering that Nebraska won 1 more game than Oregon and beat more ranked teams than Oregon.

[QuackAttackVan]

What do you mean by he has yet to actually win anything at all? Please explain that?

HA! That's coming from a fan of a school that thought they got the shaft in 2002. Considering that Nebraska won 1 more game than Oregon and beat more ranked teams than Oregon.

Spurrier has won nothing at USC. Different school, Different state, and much different players.

And what does Oregon have to do with this? Do you see me telling others that they better be afraid of our team?

I am actually objective on our troubles in the next few years.

Heck, when was the last BCS game that South Carolina went to? :D :D

[Neo]

Objective huh?

That's like telling a crack-head he's on the honor system....Puhleeze!

[QuackAttackVan]

How am I not being objective? Because I am not kissing your teams butt?

You are complaining about respect yet have never won anything to deserve it. That is a fact.

[Neo]

No...that's not it. It just seems as though you are blowing Spurrier off as well. This man hasn't lost anywhere and I don't believe he's going to lose now.

[QuackAttackVan]

So, I am blowing him off by stating he must win to give USC respect?

Dude, its the truth. His reputation will not make people fear your school as UGA, UT, and UF give off.

When he wins the East or SEC, it will come.

[Neo]

Not USC! I'm talking about Spurrier. It's like everyone is blowing him off. He won a title at Duke for crying out loud. He doesn't know how to lose.

[rabidcock]

OK, OK...........we can all chime and harp all we want.....but, time will tell! Let's just wait and see.

It's true. Steve Spurrier hasn't won anything ...YET. And we won't get the (football) respect we deserve (by the upper tier teams----we already have the cellar dweller's respect) until we DO deserve it---by WINNING (8+ wins per year). Let's face it, we have averaged 4th in our division for the last few years.

But I, like you Del, am confident good times are a'comin'. Heck, we would have won 8 games this year if we didn't go into "freeze mode" offensively whenever we took a lead in any game. With Spurrier at the helm, Georgia would have been finished, as well a Mississippi (we almost let Arkansas come back on our two touchdown lead with such a philosophy).

With our usual defense and a 30+ points per game average, there is simply NO way we aren't going to be a force to reckon with.

But.....we're just going to have to wait and see!

[I know I can't wait 'til the '05 season to begin.]

[Volnooga]

He doesn't know how to lose.

Hello. Washington.

I do think that given a few years, you will see SC at the next level, but it is going to take some time. Holtz was a winner, he was a great coach and he did really well to get USC where they are now. With time Spurrior should be able to take it to the next level. BUT UF was a recruiting dream for Spurrior, he didn't have to try as hard. SC is a beautiful campus, with extra beautiful girls, but it still isn't Florida as far as recruiting goes, so this is where I think Spurrior will be tested.

[Hardie]

Look at the team USC fielded this year with Holtz as the coach. They was bowl eligable and if it wasnt for a few let downs here and there they could have easily won 2 - 3 more games. Now they have Spurrier comin in there with pretty close the same team plus a full shot at recruiting , I dont see how SC isnt going to be alot better and contending and maybe winnin the East next year. Spurrier isnt going to have as hard of a time recruiting as you think tho. Alot of kids are attracted to the kinda offense he is going to bring to SC because it plays to the strength of the players plus everyone is going to be looking at SC this year anyways so that gives them national exposure and thats going to help raise their stock for when its time for the NFL draft. I think Spurrier will recruit really well in the Carolinas and I think hes going to have a strong recruiting season in the state of Georgia and Florida just because of the rep he earned at Florida.

[volimhtown]

NOBODY'S blowing Spurrier off....geez!!!
But, just because Spurrier's there doesn't gain you instant respect.
AGAIN.....RESPECT IS EARNED!!! His history of success doesn't mean CRAP!!!
He couldn't translate all of that sucess into any meaningful success at Washington by any stretch of the imagination, so AGAIN, he's going to have to prove himself!!
And by the way, stay off of Oregon. They DID deserve that shot at the NT a few years back and you are again talking smack with a program out of SC's league in terms of recent success!!

[GRASSHOPPER]

Vol- I Do Think Steve's Record Speaks For Itself But I Do Agree Winning Elsewhere Dos'nt Mean Winning At Carolina But The Talent Is There- Lou Made Sure Of That! Lou's Record Might Have Been Better If His Offense Was'nt So Predictable. As A Carolina Fan For Many Years That Was Our Biggest Downfall In Lou's Era- It Won't Be With Spurriur.you Won't Here Me Crow About How Good We Are Gonna Be But When We Get There I Won't Stop. I Have Waited A Long Time For A Consistant Winning Program And I Hope The Wait Is Over--go Cocks

[Volnooga]

But The Talent Is There

So Fulmer out coached Lou? Randy Sanders is a better coordinator than SC's was? Is that what you are saying? I don't think so. I think Holtz coaching was what made them so competitive and I think Spurrior will see some of the same results, I think after time, teaching an entire new system to the kids, once they get it, they will compete at a higher level, but it isn't going to happen immediately. It's like having a team full of freshmen, everyone is learning something new, and it will take time. Also, Spurrior never had a problem recruiting UF because it was Florida, He HATES to recruit, and left the cupboard bare at UF till Zook had his recruits come in. He didn't leave UF for more money in Washington, he jumped a sinking ship. Until Carolina Starts winning the ball games, they are going to continue to be seen by media and outside fans as a second tier team, once they start winning the big games consistantly, then they will be looked at differently. Look at UGA. 2nd rate through the 90's til they started winning, then everyone expected everything out of them. USC will be the same way, Once the games are won everything changes, but not until then.

[Neo]

NOBODY'S blowing Spurrier off....geez!!!
But, just because Spurrier's there doesn't gain you instant respect.
AGAIN.....RESPECT IS EARNED!!! His history of success doesn't mean CRAP!!!
He couldn't translate all of that sucess into any meaningful success at Washington by any stretch of the imagination, so AGAIN, he's going to have to prove himself!!
And by the way, stay off of Oregon. They DID deserve that shot at the NT a few years back and you are again talking smack with a program out of SC's league in terms of recent success!!

How did they deserve a shot when Nebraska was the better team? Had more wins and more quality wins.

[Volnooga]

NOBODY'S blowing Spurrier off....geez!!!
But, just because Spurrier's there doesn't gain you instant respect.
AGAIN.....RESPECT IS EARNED!!! His history of success doesn't mean CRAP!!!
He couldn't translate all of that sucess into any meaningful success at Washington by any stretch of the imagination, so AGAIN, he's going to have to prove himself!!
And by the way, stay off of Oregon. They DID deserve that shot at the NT a few years back and you are again talking smack with a program out of SC's league in terms of recent success!!

Oregon? Out of SC's League? Are we talking about the Pac 10 Oregon? the ducks? I think they would be a pretty close game, maybe, nah, hell SEC wins it hands down.

Do you even watch football?

[Neo]

Oregon? Out of SC's League? Are we talking about the Pac 10 Oregon? the ducks? I think they would be a pretty close game, maybe, nah, hell SEC wins it hands down.

Do you even watch football?

Thank you Vol. Yes that Oregon. The one that went 5-6 with a loss to INDIANA of all teams this year. Their best win this year was against IDAHO!

[cocky4ever]

So Fulmer out coached Lou? Randy Sanders is a better coordinator than SC's was? Is that what you are saying? I don't think so. I think Holtz coaching was what made them so competitive and I think Spurrior will see some of the same results, I think after time, teaching an entire new system to the kids, once they get it, they will compete at a higher level, but it isn't going to happen immediately. It's like having a team full of freshmen, everyone is learning something new, and it will take time. Also, Spurrior never had a problem recruiting UF because it was Florida, He HATES to recruit, and left the cupboard bare at UF till Zook had his recruits come in. He didn't leave UF for more money in Washington, he jumped a sinking ship. Until Carolina Starts winning the ball games, they are going to continue to be seen by media and outside fans as a second tier team, once they start winning the big games consistantly, then they will be looked at differently. Look at UGA. 2nd rate through the 90's til they started winning, then everyone expected everything out of them. USC will be the same way, Once the games are won everything changes, but not until then.
I agree that respect shouldn't be given until it's earned. I'm not really concerned about how other teams look at us anyway. On the player aspect of it I don't really the top SEC East football players being scared to play against our players because the talent level is high at all schools. I do think that the coaches, defensive coordinators especially are at least slightly nervous about playing against a Spurrier ran offense next year. When Lou was here the Defensive Coordinator of opposing schools had a much easier job. As far as recruiting you failed to mention the number of big name programs in FL. Not to mention that Tenn. usually gets a fair number of players from FL. you also have Miami and FSU right in your backyard. Spurrier currently has a GREAT recruiting coordinator who has ties to basically every high school coach in the state. The state of NC, while not overflowing with talent, doesn't have a great NCAA team right now so recruiting against them shouldn't be too hard, although we did lose Sexton to UNC. At this point the name Spurrier is enough to make recruits take a second look. Couple that with a great recruiting coordinator and we should land a great class.

[Neo]

Amen brother.

[rabidcock]

I'll third the notion...er, motion. All's falling into place for USC fans getting in on the ground floor of one fantastic rocket ride.

[volimhtown]

Oregon? Out of SC's League? Are we talking about the Pac 10 Oregon? the ducks? I think they would be a pretty close game, maybe, nah, hell SEC wins it hands down.

Do you even watch football?

How many Oregon games did YOU watch this year??? Here's a good idea....Before you make ignorant comments like that, make sure that you can look in the mirror and know that your comments aren't biased and full of prejudice!! (Get a dictionary and get back with me) Let me add that Oregon gave #1 ranked USC all they could handle this year as well!!
My point is that Oregon's resume is miles more impressive than Carolina's resume over the past 5 years. I'm confident that had USC and Oregon played THIS year that USC would have definitely been favored to win, BUT that wasn't my point!!

[volimhtown]

I agree that respect shouldn't be given until it's earned. I'm not really concerned about how other teams look at us anyway. On the player aspect of it I don't really the top SEC East football players being scared to play against our players because the talent level is high at all schools. I do think that the coaches, defensive coordinators especially are at least slightly nervous about playing against a Spurrier ran offense next year. When Lou was here the Defensive Coordinator of opposing schools had a much easier job. As far as recruiting you failed to mention the number of big name programs in FL. Not to mention that Tenn. usually gets a fair number of players from FL. you also have Miami and FSU right in your backyard. Spurrier currently has a GREAT recruiting coordinator who has ties to basically every high school coach in the state. The state of NC, while not overflowing with talent, doesn't have a great NCAA team right now so recruiting against them shouldn't be too hard, although we did lose Sexton to UNC. At this point the name Spurrier is enough to make recruits take a second look. Couple that with a great recruiting coordinator and we should land a great class.

Outstanding post....I agree 200%!!

[Volnooga]

I agree as well, but I think that this great class, plus the fact that you will be teaching the entire team a new package, on both sides of the ball, will cause the Gamecocks to have another year similar to the last. After Spurriors first season, we wil really start to see improvement and USC should be contending for the east title in 2 years, prolly winning it in 3.

[Neo]

How many Oregon games did YOU watch this year??? Here's a good idea....Before you make ignorant comments like that, make sure that you can look in the mirror and know that your comments aren't biased and full of prejudice!! (Get a dictionary and get back with me) Let me add that Oregon gave #1 ranked USC all they could handle this year as well!!
My point is that Oregon's resume is miles more impressive than Carolina's resume over the past 5 years. I'm confident that had USC and Oregon played THIS year that USC would have definitely been favored to win, BUT that wasn't my point!!


Don't you mean Oregon State???????? Now who's making ignorant statements?

Yes I have seen Oregon this year and they suck! Anyone that gets whipped by Indiana has problems!

[Volnooga]

They DID deserve that shot at the NT a few years back and you are again talking smack with a program out of SC's league in terms of recent success!!

Sorry I'm so ignorant, but let's talk of Oregon "recent success".

2004 5-6
2003 8-5
2002 7-5

I guess that does make them out of SC's league. You need to back up off the attitude a bit bub. Different opinions about the current state of football is no reason to start talking about another person's intellegence level, nor do I need a dictionary to look up two and three syllable words such as biased and prejudice. Although I'm sure you thought you were only trying to help me understand what you saw as big and complicated words, I'll be just fine, thank you.

I still stand that based on recent success, USC would do fine against Oregon. If you want to talk the teams from 3 years ago, that would make things a little different. In the future if you would like to discuss football with me, I will ask that you do so with common courtesy and the respect that any person deserves, if you would not like to speak with me on this level, then so be it.

Although I guess you probably could have done without the "Do you even Watch football" comment yourself.

[Neo]

Volnooga,

It's a regular thing. It's classless for me to call someone out, but not him.

BTW: Wasn't it Oregon State that almost beat Southern Cal this year? The really foggy game that was on FOX Sports Pacific.

[Volnooga]

Oregon did not play USC (California) this season, you are correct.

[Neo]

Oregon did not play USC (California) this season, you are correct.


Thank you! <<Taking bows>> :p