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Benthelus
05-05-2004, 09:52 PM
Just thought I may as well give you peeps something to think about this offseason:
OLE MISS WILL WIN THE SEC THIS SEASON!
Anyone want to argue about this?
:cool: :confused: :cool:
Benthelus
05-05-2004, 09:54 PM
:p I mean in football, by the way. :p
dudeman0501
05-05-2004, 10:00 PM
Even though I have seen a fair amount of spring practice, I'm not ready to argue.
Chris
05-05-2004, 11:04 PM
I would only place money on one wager at this point, Alabama won't win the SEC! :mad:
dudeman0501
05-06-2004, 10:03 AM
IMO, I don 't think it will be Tennessee. :(
Benthelus
05-06-2004, 11:39 AM
Are there no LSU fans here who want to argue about this?
LOL
Chris
05-06-2004, 12:54 PM
Not yet.... Go find us some? hehe
dudeman0501
05-06-2004, 04:46 PM
ssand is LSU, isn't he?
Benthelus
05-07-2004, 06:37 AM
Yep... SuperSand is LSU through and through... but I think he trembles on the ground I walk upon.
hehehe
I'm not gonna argue b/c I think it's pointless but I'm positive Ole Miss won't win the West, and I'd be suprised if they won more than 7 games.
The Architect
05-07-2004, 08:57 PM
I can't say much about the SECCG, probably LSU and UGA....but I'll gaurantee you that my Cats will be battling for the basement spot. I think we have a great shot this year of not winning a SEC game. I'm hoping the D grows up (swells up, really) and has a monster year--("monster year" in UK terms would be holding teams to 24 or less points)--and then maybe we'll be competitve and at least have a shot at some games in the 4th.
Benthelus
05-07-2004, 11:41 PM
I can't say much about the SECCG, probably LSU and UGA....but I'll gaurantee you that my Cats will be battling for the basement spot. I think we have a great shot this year of not winning a SEC game. I'm hoping the D grows up (swells up, really) and has a monster year--("monster year" in UK terms would be holding teams to 24 or less points)--and then maybe we'll be competitve and at least have a shot at some games in the 4th.
:D LOL :D
you'll have a shot at SC, that's for sure...
ssand
05-11-2004, 11:48 PM
My good friend Bent,
I have no reason to list for you the ways that Ole Miss will not win the SEC, or the SEC West, this year. Just as last year. I have no "Rebel Envy". All things being equal, who knows what will happen? Who would have thought that your second favorite team would have won the National Title last year? Who saw that coming? I suggest that we let a few games go by before we postulate who's going to take the SEC Title. But, considering what we SEC fans know, it's a greater probability that LSU repeats than Ole Miss winning for the first time in over 40 years. Now, if you want bold preseason predictions, I suggest that you ask Big Bengal!
Benthelus
05-12-2004, 10:14 PM
My good friend Bent,
I have no reason to list for you the ways that Ole Miss will not win the SEC, or the SEC West, this year. Just as last year. I have no "Rebel Envy". All things being equal, who knows what will happen? Who would have thought that your second favorite team would have won the National Title last year? Who saw that coming? I suggest that we let a few games go by before we postulate who's going to take the SEC Title. But, considering what we SEC fans know, it's a greater probability that LSU repeats than Ole Miss winning for the first time in over 40 years. Now, if you want bold preseason predictions, I suggest that you ask Big Bengal!
First of all... postulate is far too big a word to use when talking with me. My brain cells could short out and I could drop into a deep coma, coming out of it only now and then for some cookies and/or Sugar Frosted Flakes. They're grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat, you know?
I am glad LSU won the MNC last season, but that has nothing to do with this season, especially when your qb situation is a great big question mark. And LSU has won the last two games against Ole Miss by complete luck, so we are due to win this season. And the hills are alive with the sound of music, and the rooster blast is really in the egg's white part, not the yellow... but I'm amazed at how many people don't know this.
Anywho... The worst thing that can happen to LSU or any other team this season is for the preseason experts to pick them to win the West... because we all know that the chosen ones never win it. Just look what happened to Awebun last season, for example.
The Rebels are going to be tough, but they may not win the West... the overall SEC... a bowl game... or the MNC. But, hey... right now they are undefeated and so I can claim anything I want to until they lose enough to knock them out... know what I mean? :D ;) :p
ssand
05-13-2004, 04:40 AM
First of all... postulate is far too big a word to use when talking with me. My brain cells could short out and I could drop into a deep coma, coming out of it only now and then for some cookies and/or Sugar Frosted Flakes. They're grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat, you know?
I am glad LSU won the MNC last season, but that has nothing to do with this season, especially when your qb situation is a great big question mark. And LSU has won the last two games against Ole Miss by complete luck, so we are due to win this season. And the hills are alive with the sound of music, and the rooster blast is really in the egg's white part, not the yellow... but I'm amazed at how many people don't know this.
Anywho... The worst thing that can happen to LSU or any other team this season is for the preseason experts to pick them to win the West... because we all know that the chosen ones never win it. Just look what happened to Awebun last season, for example.
The Rebels are going to be tough, but they may not win the West... the overall SEC... a bowl game... or the MNC. But, hey... right now they are undefeated and so I can claim anything I want to until they lose enough to knock them out... know what I mean? :D ;) :p
Your humor is not lost on me, Bent. After all, I don't think that I could use a word that the MS Chess Champion couldn't decipher. But I must say that UM's quarterback situation is as much of a question mark as is LSU's. Sure, the young man from Indianola has backed up Eli for years. And yes, he can run a 4.3 forty. But he's still a very generous 5'10". I'd rather have our backup that has sat behind a QB that has two SEC rings and a MNC ring...and Saban as his coach. And if luck was on our side in beating Ole Miss, who's to say that we won't be lucky again this year? "Complete" luck or not, we still won. Solidifying our place as UM's nemesis. Yeah, UM will be one the teams to beat in the West, as they were last year. But we are both undefeated at this time. So we can both make bold predictions. But I know that LSU has some very tough road games ahead. So I'll refrain until I see more than spring practice results. And from what I have read, Auburn seems to be the writer's choice in winning the West this year!
Eckwood43
05-13-2004, 08:54 PM
One thing I WON'T argue about.........is that I WILL be at Ole Miss for homecoming once again. It is a spectacle that any good southern gentleman would enjoy, watching those girls mingle down from The Grove.
Benthelus
05-13-2004, 10:24 PM
I sure hope the writers pick Auburn to win it all.
That will be good for a laugh.
By the way... I pick Florida to win the East. Anyone have a problem with that?
And yes, Eck... those Ole Miss women sure do look mighty fine!
ssand
05-14-2004, 12:27 AM
It never fails. Spoke too soon. I guess in Ivan's opinion, we are the one to win the SEC. The "Kiss of Death" has been planted squarely upon our lips. But this is just one writer's opinion! Sorry dudeman, don't know if you have posted this already and I haven't been able to figure out how to post a link on this site.
Wednesday, May 5, 2004
By Ivan Maisel
ESPN.com
Coaches are getting smarter about spring practice. That's the only logical explanation for the lack of major injuries suffered over the last two months. Oldtimers may complain about quarterbacks prancing around the backfield in pacifying colors, and about the disappearance of the traditional spring game, but I can't remember a spring when so many teams emerged intact.
All of which means there aren't a lot of changes in this Top 25. It will remain intact until our season preview begins in August. Fortunately, the season begins in fewer than four months.
1. LSU
The Tigers emerged from spring ball healthy, and senior quarterback Marcus Randall proved that his grasp of the offense is sufficient enough to keep offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher from turning to JaMarcus Russell, the immensely talented but inexperienced freshman. The holes at wide receiver will be filled in part by tailback Joseph Addai and cornerback Corey Webster.
2. USC
The arrest and suspension of right tackle Winston Justice, the man who protects the blind side of lefty quarterback Matt Leinart, leaves the Trojans with only two offensive linemen who have ever started a game. While USC still appears to be better than every team on its schedule, the lack of an experienced offensive line narrows the team's margin of error.
3. Georgia
The Bulldogs lost starting weak-side linebacker Tony Taylor (knee) for the season, but junior Derrick White, who started three games last fall, and sophomore Danny Verdun Wheeler, who started two, should be able to compensate. That's indicative of the Dawgs' defensive depth. The two biggest questions remain the health of the offensive line, and finding a replacement for kicker Billy Bennett, who set an NCAA record last season for field goals attempted (38) and made (31). Without him, the offense will have to finish more drives with touchdowns.
4. Oklahoma
A relatively uneventful spring -- quarterback Jason White did not practice much, but coach Bob Stoops said that White's injured toe has healed. And if it hasn't, backup Paul Thompson had a very good spring. Linebacker Lance Mitchell, who missed the second half of last season because of a knee injury, made seven tackles in the spring game. That's remarkable progress, and a good sign for the fall.
5. Michigan
The Wolverines fooled around with switching to a 3-4 scheme, and that was before tackle Jeremy Van Alstyne was lost for the season with a knee injury. The depth at linebacker and in the secondary gives defensive coordinator Jim Herrmann the luxury to make situational changes. Guard David Baas took a lot of snaps at center, and may end up there in the fall. At quarterback, Matt Gutierrez had a good spring and remains a step ahead of the field.
6. Texas
The more aggressive defensive scheme installed by new coaches Greg Robinson and Dick Tomey looks promising. But any defense that features linebacker Derrick Johnson looks promising. The combination of Vince Young at quarterback and Cedric Benson at tailback remain the best running-passing combo in any backfield, with the exception of Missouri quarterback Brad Smith lining up in an empty formation.
7. Miami
Can the 'Canes recover from losing six first-round draft choices? Hard to say -- no team has ever had six first-round draft choices. No quarterback emerged from the spring as the out-and-out leader, and as the old saying goes, if you have two quarterbacks (or, in this case, three), you don't have any. The 'Canes remain this high based on talent and schedule, since Florida State and Virginia Tech both go to the Orange Bowl and Miami doesn't play Maryland.
8. Florida State
Do you believe in Chris Rix or don't you? The fifth-year quarterback is spending this spring trying out for the track team as a sprinter. You might think he would be watching some video, but we digress.
9. Maryland
The Terrapins believe they found a quarterback in sophomore Joel Statham, which might make him the first Joel to be an outstanding quarterback in the history of the game. The defense looked very good in the spring. Corner Reuben Haigler tweaked a groin muscle but is expected to recover by the fall.
10. Utah
Utes quarterback Alex Smith had a good spring, better than his numbers in the spring game (17-of-42, two picks). Wide receiver Thomas Huff raised some eyebrows, but overall the defense looked better than the offense. That's never a bad sign.
11. Ohio State
The drain of talent in Columbus is tremendous -- 14 players drafted -- and the players left behind must prove they can maintain the standard of 25-2 over the last two seasons.
12. California
The Bears have injury issues that they believe will be solved by August. Let's hope so, because coach Jeff Tedford hasn't had the time to build depth.
13. Iowa
Questions on the offensive line linger. It's looking more and more as if center Brian Ferentz (son of coach Kirk Ferentz) won't be ready in the fall after suffering a knee injury last fall.
14. Tennessee
Coach Phil Fulmer tried to sound enthusiastic about C.J. (not Chris) Leak at quarterback. Fulmer nearly pulled it off.
15. West Virginia
Coach Rich Rodriguez has built a lot of capital in Morgantown. After a February signee was arrested for murder, Rodriguez is going to have to spend some of it.
16. Auburn
A new offense is installed, but that doesn't mean quarterback Jason Campbell is any closer to being the answer.
17. Missouri
In the chaos of the Big 12 North, there's an opportunity for Brad Smith and the Tigers.
18. Florida
If quarterback Chris Leak improves as much as a sophomore as he did as a freshman, watch out.
19. Virginia
Defense will have to carry a young quarterback in the early going.
20. Purdue
The Boilermakers have all year to think about that agonizing loss at Ohio State.
21. Clemson
Any schedule that opens up Wake Forest-Georgia Tech-at Texas A&M-at Florida State-at Virginia, and later includes a streak of Maryland-North Carolina State-at Miami, is not a bowl friendly one.
22. Kansas State
Darren Sproles is the best returning running back in the nation.
23. Minnesota
Marion Barber and Laurence Maroney are the best pair of running backs in the nation.
24. Boston College
My initial reaction, that the Eagles would be a communal target in their final season in the Big East, is fading.
25. Toledo
The Rockets were the almost team of the 2003 MAC season. They'll burst through this fall.
Ivan Maisel is a senior writer for ESPN.com. Send your question/comments to Ivan at ivan.maisel@espn3.com. Your e-mail could be answered in a future Maisel's Mailbag.
razorbackmarine323
05-14-2004, 05:09 AM
Watch out for Arkansas!!!! This is the year fellas.... Have Faith Hog Fans!
Benthelus
05-14-2004, 12:44 PM
SuperSand,
I'm glad to see the Rebels not even mentioned this season.
That's just the way we want it.
*wink*
razorbackmarine323
06-03-2004, 04:20 AM
Who will stop Matt Jones this year? Who stopped Matt Jones last year? I think it's payback time LSU! 55-24 ouch! I still remember watching that game on the ship. Arkansas gave the tigers a scare in the first two quarters but that was it. LSU's greatness really showed once Arkansas fumbled the ball on our own 7 yd line. Damn!
tjoiner
06-06-2004, 05:16 PM
David Pollack will stop Matt Jones. Go Dawgs!!!!!!
BamaFan
06-07-2004, 04:05 AM
I would only place money on one wager at this point, Alabama won't win the SEC!
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So lil faith :rolleyes:
I would wager my car that South Carolina won't win it either...
ssand
06-08-2004, 05:26 AM
I'll wager that no one knows who will win the SEC this year. A few teams have the potential, but only one will prevail. See Auburn of last year. Who among you would have said that LSU would have been in the BCS championship game? No one, not even me. I will say that USC, MSU, VU, Upig, and UK have no shot at making the game in Atlanta. But that is stating the obvious.
DAWG@heart
07-05-2004, 06:30 PM
I am willing to argue. You lost your team in the NFL draft! Without that little brat Eli, who is proven to step up and lead Ole Miss to where Eli couldn't?? Eli was the reason Ole Miss was descent the last two years. Good luck against LSU though !
razorbackmarine323
07-09-2004, 01:49 AM
David Pollack will stop Matt Jones. Go Dawgs!!!!!!
Yeah! David Pollack will get injured trying to contain Matt Jones when Georgia comes to fayetteville this year. Go Hogs!
VMFA-323 "DEATHRATTLERS" 'come to fight, come to win'...
USMC
oxfordrebel
07-09-2004, 07:54 AM
I am willing to argue. You lost your team in the NFL draft! Without that little brat Eli, who is proven to step up and lead Ole Miss to where Eli couldn't?? Eli was the reason Ole Miss was descent the last two years. Good luck against LSU though !
Eli was good, true, but we wouldn't have won so many games if he didn't have a great supporting cast. We return a great group WRs. Our running game was working last year. We have a good QB who can not only pass, but also run. Our DC, while struggling early last year, built a solid defense as the year went on. We lost some of our D, but we'll rebound in a hurry. Ole Miss didn't fall as much as everyone seems to think we did.
The fact is that the Rebels have the talent. The question is, can they put it all together? I think they can. Look for them to be a contender in the race for the West, and possibly in the race for the SEC.
GO REBELS!!
Benthelus
07-11-2004, 10:34 AM
I am willing to argue. You lost your team in the NFL draft! Without that little brat Eli, who is proven to step up and lead Ole Miss to where Eli couldn't?? Eli was the reason Ole Miss was descent the last two years. Good luck against LSU though !
Dude,
Ole Miss was not a one-man team last season.
We are fully loaded and ready to do battle.
All I can say is that the last time Cuttcliffe was part of a team that lost a Manning, they won the MNC the following year with a 'nobody' at the qb position.
As for Georgia... you guys are WAY over-rated this season. The Doggies are gonna fall hard like Awebun did last season.
;)
ssand
07-12-2004, 02:35 AM
Dude,
Ole Miss was not a one-man team last season.
We are fully loaded and ready to do battle.
All I can say is that the last time Cuttcliffe was part of a team that lost a Manning, they won the MNC the following year with a 'nobody' at the qb position.
As for Georgia... you guys are WAY over-rated this season. The Doggies are gonna fall hard like Awebun did last season.
;)
Okay Bent, how about this scenario? How well would have Ole Miss done last year without Eli being the quarterback? Would Ole Miss still have had the "magical" season that they did? Would they still be "Co-Western Division Champions"? It may just be me, but I don't think that they would. The kid was GOOD. Ole Miss may not have been a one man team last season, but you couldn't count Ole Miss out of any game because of one man...ELI. You mention the fact that Cuttcliffe was the OC at UT when they won the MNC after losing a Manning, but you also said in another thread that Fulmer hasn't accomplished much with the talent that he has had. Do you think that Ole Miss has recruited the same level of talent that UT has or had the year that they won the MNC? Ole Miss had better be "loaded" because you can't lose an All-Everything Quarterback and not expect there to be some drop-off. Unless Ole Miss and UT have been recruiting the same level of talent for all these years.
oxfordrebel
07-12-2004, 11:08 AM
Okay Bent, how about this scenario? How well would have Ole Miss done last year without Eli being the quarterback? Would Ole Miss still have had the "magical" season that they did? Would they still be "Co-Western Division Champions"? It may just be me, but I don't think that they would. The kid was GOOD. Ole Miss may not have been a one man team last season, but you couldn't count Ole Miss out of any game because of one man...ELI. You mention the fact that Cuttcliffe was the OC at UT when they won the MNC after losing a Manning, but you also said in another thread that Fulmer hasn't accomplished much with the talent that he has had. Do you think that Ole Miss has recruited the same level of talent that UT has or had the year that they won the MNC? Ole Miss had better be "loaded" because you can't lose an All-Everything Quarterback and not expect there to be some drop-off. Unless Ole Miss and UT have been recruiting the same level of talent for all these years.
How many times did Eli really win the game for us?
Vandy - 51 yd FG by Nichols to win the game SPECIAL TEAMS WIN
Florida - Defense holds the Gators scoreless in the 2nd half so the offense could score the same number of points in the second half as they did in the first half DEFENSIVE WIN
Arkansas - Defense held the top rushing team in the SEC to 82 yds on the ground. The Hogs had no second half points, and Nichols kicked 4 FGs in the 19-7 win. DEFENSIVE AND SPECIAL TEAMS WIN
Auburn - Ok, I'll admit, that game was won because of one dropped pass by Auburn.
Mississippi State - So we scored a lot of points, but our defense held State scoreless, something not even LSU did.
I'll give you that LA-Monroe, Ark. State (although they were held scoreless also), Alabama, South Carolina, and the Cotton Bowl were all offensive wins, but the fact remains that a quarterback is only one person. We had excellent receivers and some running backs that could draw enough attention away from the secondaries to open up some holes for the receivers. Add a kicker that was 24 for 28 with 3 of those FGs from beyond 50 yds and your looking at a team that, had it not had Eli, would have still probably racked up 8 regular season wins and possibly even a bowl game win (but probably not against OK State).
In a little less than 2 months we will know if Ole Miss was a one-hit wonder or if they are a true contender for the SEC title.
Benthelus
07-12-2004, 11:23 PM
Yeah... what Oxford said.
By the way... Ethan Flatt is one hell of a passer, and if, for some reason, Michael Spurlock can't get the job done (can't see this happening) or if he gets injured, the defenses we face this season may just think Eli has come around for another visit.
Not sure how good Lane is going to be. I will have to see him get in some real games to rate him.
Anywho... the season is almost upon us. We shall soon see.
oxfordrebel
07-13-2004, 08:07 AM
Not sure how good Lane is going to be. I will have to see him get in some real games to rate him.
Lane was a blue-chipper out of Louisiana back a couple of years ago. He was rated as one of the nation's top QBs in 2002. Is he still able to play the way he did in high school? I know he's at third on the depth chart right now, so did he drop off or is it because he's the youngest of the QBs? I wish that some info would be released about how the non-starting players are doing in practice.
ssand
07-20-2004, 05:48 AM
Valid points. But who can't say that their defense and special teams put them in a position to win a game at some time during the season? I would submit to you that offense, defense and special teams won LSU the BCS National Championship last year. And not necessarily in that order. But you lost the number one draft pick. I don't care what the receivers and backs may be, there is one man that got them the ball in the right situations. His name was Eli. Not Spurlock.
As far as Lane, there are a couple of reasons that he is number three on the chart. If this is really true. Number one, I think that he wished to be drafted higher than he was in the MLB draft. Go on some LSU boards and you will find out that this baseball thing is probably his true love. Number two, he knew that he couldn't beat out J. Russell or M. Flynn at LSU as a quarterback. Number three, if he was really a hot-shot baseball prospect, why didn't Bianco have him on the field this past season? But Mr. Lane didn't even figure in to baseball this past season. But Lane didn't play baseball and he is still THIRD on the chart? What has he been doing with his time?
oxfordrebel
07-20-2004, 10:54 AM
Was Lane up for the MLB draft? Didn't know that. If he was, why didn't he play for the baseball team? Seth Smith was at third on the depth chart in the QB spot (I think it was third) when he came in, but he also plays baseball. He's a starter in the OF and swinging a great bat, but has dropped to 4th on the QB charts, and will probably never see a collegiate snap except for the last game of his senior year when I'm sure Cutcliffe will run him in for one quick 1st-and-goal-from-the-1 touchdown play. Double sport athletes can't excel in both sports most of the time. They usually end up having to focus on one and more or less give up the other one. I'm sure you would agree with that.
Perhaps that's the reason Lane didn't go for baseball. Perhaps he was making a run at football. If that all of this is true, then if I were him, I think I might go focus on baseball and let football be the side thing. Bianco can always use more talent on the field.
But I digress. Getting back to the original point of this thread (was there one? oh well...), it's like the old saying goes, "Offense draws the crowd, but defense wins the game." A good defense will usually keep an average offense in a game. Ole Miss had a pretty good defense last year, but had a horrible game against Texas Tech that skewed the numbers against them. I think the defense should return strong this year and the Rebels should have a chance in any game they play this year.
What will Ole Miss be like this season? No one really knows, but the same goes for LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Tenn, etc. We can speculate all day long and run stats against stats, but when that kickoff happens, all the stats and predictions and speculations might as well be thrown in the garbage.
My Prediction:
USC
Wins: Vanderbilt, South Florida, Troy St., Ole Miss, Kentucky, Alabama
Toss Ups: Tennessee, Florida, Clemson
Losses: Georgia, Arkansas
Call me crazy but if you really look at those match ups. They are about right. Vanderbilt, S. Florida, Troy St., and Kentucky are going to be their easiest games. Ole Miss is going to feel the loss of Manning (considering that they let USC come from a 30 pt. deficit at half-time only to lose by 2 pts.) and Alabama is in the rebuilding stage. The past few years, USC has played Tennessee & Florida pretty close and this time UT comes to Columbia. As for Clemson, every year (except last) has always been close as rivalries are supposed to be.
Benthelus
07-21-2004, 07:18 PM
My Prediction:
USC
Wins: Vanderbilt, South Florida, Troy St., Ole Miss, Kentucky, Alabama
Toss Ups: Tennessee, Florida, Clemson
Losses: Georgia, Arkansas
Call me crazy but if you really look at those match ups. They are about right. Vanderbilt, S. Florida, Troy St., and Kentucky are going to be their easiest games. Ole Miss is going to feel the loss of Manning (considering that they let USC come from a 30 pt. deficit at half-time only to lose by 2 pts.) and Alabama is in the rebuilding stage. The past few years, USC has played Tennessee & Florida pretty close and this time UT comes to Columbia. As for Clemson, every year (except last) has always been close as rivalries are supposed to be.
Dude,
USC will not beat Ole Miss.
Just ain't gonna happen.
;)
Ok...Sure...lol USC may not win if the refs call that "magical" safety like they did this past year. lol
dudeman0501
07-21-2004, 10:02 PM
Welcome to SEC Talk, DeLoreanfan! Glad to have you join us. :)
USC and Ole Miss. Hmm...
Thank you very much dudeman <<Offering to shake hand>> I am a SEC fanatic! I think it's the best & toughest conference in the nation!
Who do you think would win dudeman? Be honest! I think a lot of people are sleeping on USC this year and there may be a few upsets.
oxfordrebel
07-22-2004, 09:09 AM
You are right about one thing...SC did come back on us more than what they should have, but we only played a 3 quarter game. It's like we went in at half time and started talking about the Auburn game that was coming up the next week. You can't rest against any opponent. That's one of those things where you have to learn or else next time it will bite you.
Ole Miss vs So. Carolina is a grey game this year. The last time we went to Columbia, y'all were...um...struggling (1999), but Holtz has definately put the fire back in the team and they've developed into a true SEC team. I'm afraid that it's going to be closer than what either team would like, but it's going to be a good game.
BTW, one day I really want to go to Columbia for a game. I know it's a great school, and I bet the campus is probably beautiful.
dudeman0501
07-22-2004, 10:20 AM
Who do you think would win dudeman? Be honest! I think a lot of people are sleeping on USC this year and there may be a few upsets.
That's a tough question. And to be honest, I don't have a solid answer.
But I can tell you this: I don't think it will be Tennessee.
I think one piece of the puzzle is missing for USC to be successful, a Div-I QB, also playing like you got a pair and have a heart would be good (see clemson 63-17). Welcome to the board my fellow gamecock fan, I recognize your name from somewhere, did you used to post of collegefootballnews.com?
Yes RW & the message boards at wwwthestate.com
I heard about this website from someone and I decided to come and check it out. I was hoping to find some die-hard SEC fans such as myself and much to my surprise, I have found just that. I'm just counting down the days until kick-off!!! :)
I hate Ron Morris at the State...
You and about 5 million other people RW lol
Benthelus
07-27-2004, 10:26 PM
Ok...Sure...lol USC may not win if the refs call that "magical" safety like they did this past year. lol
Dude...
Get real.
That was the correct call. The guy was in the air when the Rebel hit him, and he next touched-earth in the endzone. That's a safety.
But don't worry. The Rebels will take care of business this season and USC will not be close enough to whine about a bad call.
By the way...
That was a horrible call that gave your team 7 points after the Rebel let your guy go and the ZEBRAS did not blow the whistle. If the Rebel had pounded the guy into the ground, they would have penalized Ole Miss for a personal foul. He was right in letting the USC guy go, because his forward motion had been completely stopped and the play was as good as over.
So don't whine about another call that didn't go your way.
:cool:
Hey Ben,
You need to clean the dust off of that TV screen. lol If that was a safety, then I'm Axl Rose. The point is he (Pinkins) released the ball before he crossed the line into the endzone. I must have watched that play 30 times on my 42 inch HDTV and each time I got the same result. No safety! Even the commentators were saying it was a "shoddy" call. Either way, to change the subject!
Ole Miss is going to REALLY feel the loss of Manning. He was a great leader/player and attributes like leadership cannot be coached. I honestly will be surprised if Ole Miss goes to the post season this year. After losing your SUPERSTAR QB, I wouldn't go around and write checks that my team couldn't pay if ya know what I mean.
oxfordrebel
07-28-2004, 03:49 PM
Ole Miss is going to REALLY feel the loss of Manning. He was a great leader/player and attributes like leadership cannot be coached. I honestly will be surprised if Ole Miss goes to the post season this year. After losing your SUPERSTAR QB, I wouldn't go around and write checks that my team couldn't pay if ya know what I mean.
Please go read post #32 in this thread. Sure we're going to miss Manning, but not as much as people want to think. We have excellent leadership on the field, both offensively and defensively. PLUS, Spurlock (a name you're going to hear a lot this year) has taken the offense and he's going to lead it effectively. You can't be coached to be a good leader, but it looks like Manning taught Spurlock how to lead.
But people are going to think what they want until the season starts, so that's fine.
Also, that Ole Miss-USC game last year was just ugly for both teams. That's a game that should have had much fewer error by both teams. I'll admit that we didn't get the safety AS FAR AS I COULD TELL, but I also wasn't on the field when it happened. But that stupid play where we rolled your guy over and he landed and took off to the endzone more than took care of the safety. Without the safety, Ole Miss still wins by 1 and a 1 point win is the same as a 10 point or a 100 point win where win-loss is concerned.
But the past is the past. I'm looking forward to a much better game in Columbia this year with Ole Miss putting the GCs away early. :cool:
BTW, look for the Rebels to be in post-season play. I can't tell you where, but they'll be there.
What's going on at Ole Miss? It seems like they are on their way to suspending the team. I am not condoning the actions of the players in question, I think that Cutcliffe was justified in suspending them.
Benthelus
08-15-2004, 04:21 AM
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Benthelus
08-15-2004, 04:22 AM
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Benthelus
08-15-2004, 04:22 AM
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ssand
08-15-2004, 04:28 AM
Dammit! You have followed me here, as well. I can't get rid of you. But I'm beginning to think that you are right. UGA is being plagued with injuries. If this keeps up, you just may get your wish.
Benthelus
08-16-2004, 12:39 AM
Dammit! You have followed me here, as well. I can't get rid of you. But I'm beginning to think that you are right. UGA is being plagued with injuries. If this keeps up, you just may get your wish.
It's not my wish.
It's just what I think will happen based on something I feel inside.
Just like Awebun last season.
;)
Irishrebel
08-17-2004, 07:55 PM
Just thought I may as well give you peeps something to think about this offseason:
OLE MISS WILL WIN THE SEC THIS SEASON!
Anyone want to argue about this?
:cool: :confused: :cool:
Man bent and you wonder why people say things ??? What makes you think honestly without eli they can do it ?? I think ole miss will have a good year anywhere from 7-8 wins but win the sec ??? Man talk about a homer :rolleyes:
Be realistic LSu will probably win the west even if ole miss were to beat them this year.
Irishrebel
08-17-2004, 07:58 PM
Dammit! You have followed me here, as well. I can't get rid of you. But I'm beginning to think that you are right. UGA is being plagued with injuries. If this keeps up, you just may get your wish.
Guess what ?? i followed you here too LOL :D I cant get onto the other site so i said heck. lmao.
I don't think they can get it done without Manning but I think they win there yearly 7 or 8, which BTW I would love to have every year...
Benthelus
08-22-2004, 12:24 AM
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Benthelus
08-22-2004, 12:26 AM
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Dude,
Ole Miss was not a one-man team last season.
We are fully loaded and ready to do battle.
All I can say is that the last time Cuttcliffe was part of a team that lost a Manning, they won the MNC the following year with a 'nobody' at the qb position.
As for Georgia... you guys are WAY over-rated this season. The Doggies are gonna fall hard like Awebun did last season.
;)
I will beg to differ. Ole Miss is the one that's overrated. You lose one of the best QB's in the SEC and you still think Ole Miss has a shot? I don't think so. Ole Miss has gotten hit hard and they are really going to feel the loss of Manning. Being honest and not biased, do you really think that Ole Miss has someone on the bench that is going to step up and pick up where Eli left off?
I honestly see Ole Miss at best going 7-4-0 and I think that's pushing it.
Benthelus
09-02-2004, 08:06 PM
Spurlock may be more of a threat than Eli. He can take off and run at a moment's notice. If no receivers were open, all Eli could do was throw the ball away.
This will be a clock-control offense. They will score almost every time they touch the ball.
And, NO... I'm not a homer... hehehe
What experience does Spurlock have? It may take time for him to develop sorta like Chris Leak's first year at Florida. He was a little rough around the edges, but showed flash at times. I got to see Chris Leak in HS and he was totally amazing. I personally think that Leak has a chance at the heisman this year.
oxfordrebel
09-03-2004, 11:11 AM
Spurlock may not have much on the field experience (other than practice) but he has a ton of off the field experience. According to reports, he was with Eli everytime Eli watched a tape and prepared for the coming game. He's calling a few audibles at the line and will do more as he gets more experience. Basically, he was mentored (sp?) by Eli and learned the system under him. He learned how to read defenses and call the right play to exploit weaknesses. This year may not be the best year. I'd be happy if we only loose to Auburn and LSU. 9-2 is something to be very happy with and it's very possible if we will just use the talent we have out there on the field. A lot of people are over looking Ole Miss this year. We might catch a couple sleeping.
Spurlock may be more of a threat than Eli. He can take off and run at a moment's notice. If no receivers were open, all Eli could do was throw the ball away.
This will be a clock-control offense. They will score almost every time they touch the ball.
And, NO... I'm not a homer... hehehe
Spurlock has only 8 passing and 3 rushing snaps in his career. That's quite a long shot to say that he will possibly surpass Manning. I will give Manning his props and say he was one of the best in the SEC but this guy Spurlock just doesn't have enough experience in my eyes to be a real competitor this year in the SEC.
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG TD
7 8 118 87.5 14.8 2 0 0 293.9 3 -2 -0.7 1
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=117053
Benthelus
09-05-2004, 12:11 PM
Spurlock and Ole Miss will be fine... even after the Memphis Fiasco.
Bank on it, Good Buddies!
Irishrebel
09-08-2004, 03:46 PM
Spurlock and Ole Miss will be fine... even after the Memphis Fiasco.
Bank on it, Good Buddies!
We shall see, if they dont beat bama though could be a long year :( .
ssand
09-09-2004, 03:48 AM
We shall see, if they dont beat bama though could be a long year :( .
Holy Cow! Is this the same IrishReb that was comparing Utah State and Memphis on another board? If so, you don't sound nearly as confident here as you did there!
does bama play ole miss this weekend?
dudeman0501
09-09-2004, 02:41 PM
does bama play ole miss this weekend?
They sure do, in Tuscaloosa.
should be a win for bama....
should be a win for bama....
I think Alabama is going to tear Ole Miss up like a piece of paper. Spurlock's inexperience is going to be Ole Miss' downfall. Somewhere earlier someone said that Ole Miss lost to Memphis last year enroute to a 10 win season. The only difference between this year and last is that they still had a VERY experienced QB named Eli Manning.
Irishrebel
09-10-2004, 03:20 PM
Holy Cow! Is this the same IrishReb that was comparing Utah State and Memphis on another board? If so, you don't sound nearly as confident here as you did there!
Sand if you remember i said utah state was nothing compared to memphis,but i do realize that ole miss will have problems with bama but i do think they have a chance good lord these ppl think the ol bama with bear is back cause they beat utah state by 31 OH MY LORD BEAR IS DEAD AND GONE PEOPLE jeeeeeeeeeeeeesh. I think ole miss has a chance we shall see.Memphis may go undefeated this year , remember they returned ALL OF THIEr offensive starters from last years team.
Irishrebel
09-10-2004, 03:22 PM
I think Alabama is going to tear Ole Miss up like a piece of paper. Spurlock's inexperience is going to be Ole Miss' downfall. Somewhere earlier someone said that Ole Miss lost to Memphis last year enroute to a 10 win season. The only difference between this year and last is that they still had a VERY experienced QB named Eli Manning.
Yeah delorean, everyone said that last year too and what was that final ???? oh yeah 43-28 ole miss and it was what 24-0 at one time ??? please yeah bama may beat ole miss but it wont be no blowout, the glory days for that team are over with but every time they win a game its like the bear is back on the sidelines why do you people kiss bamas butt but always get on ole miss's case ???????
Irishrebel
09-10-2004, 03:24 PM
Yeah delorean, everyone said that last year too and what was that final ???? oh yeah 43-28 ole miss and it was what 24-0 at one time ??? please yeah bama may beat ole miss but it wont be no blowout, the glory days for that team are over with but every time they win a game its like the bear is back on the sidelines why do you people kiss bamas butt but always get on ole miss's case ???????
Oh and i do realize eli is no longer there but i remember before last season, people said well eli never did too great before hes overrated blah blah then ole miss won 10 games and he was the only reason they did please you people are too much sometimes :confused:
maybe it will be a close game...
Well, for starters...I'm not one of those people that said Eli Manning was overrated. I have always believed that he was a great QB waiting to break out of his shell and indeed he did. You simply cannot take away a great playmaker/leader like Manning and expect not to have some kind of negative result. For example, look at Miami when Ken Dorsey graduated. They haven't climbed back to the summit with Brock Berlin so far. I could give example after example and if you wish to hear more, just let me know. All I'm saying is that Ole Miss is going to have some kind of fall-out with the loss of Manning. Whether that means 2 losses or 6, it doesn't matter. Look at it this way, this may be a rough year for Ole Miss but Spurlock is gaining VALUABLE experience with every snap. He may turn the corner this year, but I seriously doubt it. He will be more of a threat next year though. That's why I'm thankful that Mr. Holtz is playing Svelle Newton when he can. So that way next year, he will have that game experience. It will help us in the long run.
oxfordrebel
09-13-2004, 09:03 AM
Spurlock was taken out and Flatt was put in. I thought that Spulock was just having a bad first game against Memphis, but would put it together for Bama. I was wrong. Flatt is the dominate QB in this offense and should be the starter. It is painfully obvious that Spurlock is not going to get the job done, so it's time to go with someone that will. The offense was shaky and unsure under Spurlock, but looked confident and excited under Flatt. Bama may have won the game, but at least they let Flatt show us that we've got a capable back-up QB that should be the starter. Now it's time to change the game plan and go win some games.
BTW, if Spurlock plays the Vandy game this weekend we will lose. The defense may be enough to handle Vandy, but it will do us no good if we can't put points on the board. Make Flatt a starter immediately!
Same problem we've had at SC for 3 years now, the "mobile" QB, the "athletic" QB, but one that can't throw for over 50% and can't make good decisions, I'd take a tall, lanky, slow QB who can make good decisions and display leadership over a Micheal Vick anyday....
oxfordrebel
09-13-2004, 01:50 PM
Same problem we've had at SC for 3 years now, the "mobile" QB, the "athletic" QB, but one that can't throw for over 50% and can't make good decisions, I'd take a tall, lanky, slow QB who can make good decisions and display leadership over a Micheal Vick anyday....
The difference is that Pinkins puts points on the board. Spurlock doesn't. Right now, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I'd trade Spurlock for Pinkins. Of course, I'd rather just go ahead and take my chances with an untested Flatt and see what happens.
Noah.Dreams
09-14-2004, 11:44 AM
The difference is that Pinkins puts points on the board. Spurlock doesn't. Right now, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I'd trade Spurlock for Pinkins. Of course, I'd rather just go ahead and take my chances with an untested Flatt and see what happens.
Flatts is one cool QB and it's just a matter of time before he replaces Eli's records at Ole Miss.
Roll Tide
oxfordrebel
09-14-2004, 03:54 PM
Flatts is one cool QB and it's just a matter of time before he replaces Eli's records at Ole Miss.
Roll Tide
I sincerely hope you are right. BTW, I opened the campus paper up Monday morning and there was a huge picture of Spurlock on one page and one of Flatt on the other. Someone near me just glanced at it and said "Why do they have a picture of Eli in there" and I told them that it was Flatt. They said he looked just like Eli...and he does have that type of apperance. The photo, courtesy of the Daily Mississippian newspaper, is below. Right now, Cutcliffe is saying that he will "probably" start Flatt Sat. against Vandy. I sure do hope he does. Good luck to the Tide down the stretch.
http://media.thedmonline.com/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/414544cc22db4-77-1.gif
Good luck with Flatts, I guess now Ole Miss will beat us with Flatts. When will Lou Holtz learn; Corey Jenkins, Dondrial Pinkins, Spurlock, and Shane Boyd types will not win games!!
oxfordrebel
09-15-2004, 01:24 PM
Good luck with Flatts, I guess now Ole Miss will beat us with Flatts. When will Lou Holtz learn; Corey Jenkins, Dondrial Pinkins, Spurlock, and Shane Boyd types will not win games!!
At the first of the year, I would have told you (and did tell everyone) that U of SC would not beat us this year. Now, I'm really nervous about the GCs. They are riding a pretty good wave right now and they gave UGA all they wanted and more. Flatt is pretty good, but untested, really. He came into a game that was already basically over when he played Bama. It was also his first ever snap in a game at the college level. Will he lead us to victory this year? I hope so.
Something that not many people think about is that if your opponent runs, you need to try the pass. If they pass, you need to try the run. Remember that the 1st string offense plays the 1st string defense in some practices. The defense knows the secrets to shutting down their own offense. If you run a similar offense, it's like they're reading your minds. My plan going into Columbia would be to run a little and pass A LOT! That would have been my plan with Memphis and Bama too. These are schools that run successfully. Their defense watches a running offense everyday. What makes you think that you're going to be able to run successfully? You would almost have to run a perfect triple option or a lot of misdirection or counters in order to trip up a defense like that.
I think that's the reason the GCs had such success against Ole Miss last year. We passed almost exclusively while Pinkins scrambled for several yards. We just couldn't get up on it. The D-line and LBs blitz, so the QB goes right around them. That forces a SS, FS, or CB to get Pinkins. By the time they react and get him, it's a 10-15 yd gain.
Now that plan wouldn't work with every team. There are several teams that run almost exclusively on offense, yet has an outstanding pass defense, and vice versa. But, IMHO, it's a place to start.
Benthelus
09-15-2004, 07:56 PM
Cutcliffe had better start Flatt Saturday... and if Flatt is getting the job done, he had better not mess up the 'mo' and stick Spurlock in there just to let him play.
Vandy always gives us a good game, and he had better not take any chances with playing Spurlock.
oxfordrebel
09-16-2004, 07:40 PM
Cutcliffe had better start Flatt Saturday... and if Flatt is getting the job done, he had better not mess up the 'mo' and stick Spurlock in there just to let him play.
Vandy always gives us a good game, and he had better not take any chances with playing Spurlock.
I don't remember if I said it on here or another board, but Cutcliffe is loyal to his players, and this time it will have a bad ending. Mark my words, Spulock WILL play Saturday if for no other reason than just because he's been in the program as long as he has. :(
Yeah I still think old Lou will blow it for us....
Benthelus
09-17-2004, 11:29 AM
I don't remember if I said it on here or another board, but Cutcliffe is loyal to his players, and this time it will have a bad ending. Mark my words, Spulock WILL play Saturday if for no other reason than just because he's been in the program as long as he has. :(
I agree with what you said here.
But I feel no different for Spurock than I do for the third-string tightend. In fact, Spurlock has had more chances already than a lot of players get in college. Cut needs to face the fact that he simply cannnot get it done at the qb position. If he still wants him to play, he needs to use something he hardly ever uses (his imagination) and put Michael in at another position where his speed can get in the open field and do some damage.
I think he should have tried this already. But, if he was stuck on playing him at qb, then he should have put Spurlock in a lot more last season so he could get some serious playing time in. Eli could have used a little more rest, and he didn't have to break every single record at Ole Miss at the expense of costing our future qb some valuable playing time.
I mean, when you think about it, Spurlock had not played serious football in almost four years. That's crazy! :mad:
sounds like the problem at SC, too bad for you guys....
Benthelus
09-18-2004, 01:01 PM
Cutcliffe puts Spurlock into the Vandy game and stops the good Karma the Rebels have going.
What did I tell you guys?
Benthelus
09-18-2004, 01:02 PM
HALFTIME SCORE:
VANDY 16, OLE MISS 10
Thanks to the idiot David Cutcliffe, of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
at least you guys pulled out the victory. BTW, tell me how the offense played, especially the QB's...
oxfordrebel
09-20-2004, 08:49 AM
at least you guys pulled out the victory. BTW, tell me how the offense played, especially the QB's...
Offense was decent this time. We gathered ~170 yds rushing and ~190 yds passing. Way, way, way too many 3rd and longs, but Flatt connected on several and kepts moving the chains. We had 2 TDs and Nichols kicked 4 FGs including the one to win in OT. Flatt was very composed in the pocket and stayed calm it looked like. Being down late is tough on any QB, but Flatt handled it well, I thought. Still, we just couldn't seem to get it into the endzone. We'll be ok, as long as Cutcliffe lets Flatt play EVERY DOWN of the next two games and commits to him as the starter. I'm with Bent in that we need to use Spurlock. He's a great athlete. Perhaps as WR or TE or RB or something. Somewhere that his speed will give us an advantage. He's one of the fastest players I've ever seen at Ole Miss. It's a shame to waste that talent by putting him on the bench.
With that being said, here's our offensive production for the year so far:
Offense:
Memphis - 1 TD
Bama - 1 TD
Vandy - 2 TD
Total - 28 points
Nichols (Kicker):
Memphis - 2 FGs, 1 Extra Point
Bama - 1 Extra Point
Vandy - 4 FGs, 2 Extra Points
Total - 22 points
I know that many kickers are the highest scoring player on their team, but for one person to put up almost as many points as the entire offense? That's unbelievable.
I feel for you, and can definately relate (See 2002/2003 Gamecocks)
DAWG@heart
09-22-2004, 02:29 PM
I will argue - Memphis, enough said
what are u talking about Dawgheart?
williamsjw
09-24-2004, 07:26 AM
In the fantasy world that I call my reality, Alabama goes undefeated and wins the SEC. Croyle was just a minor setback. Guillon is gonna light it up and the Tide will roll over Arkansas this week on their way to the SEC Championship. RollTide!!!
jcousybama
09-24-2004, 09:00 AM
In the fantasy world that I call my reality, Alabama goes undefeated and wins the SEC. Croyle was just a minor setback. Guillon is gonna light it up and the Tide will roll over Arkansas this week on their way to the SEC Championship. RollTide!!!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/stewart_mandel/09/23/bama.guillon/index.html
I'm not gonna argue b/c I think it's pointless but I'm positive Ole Miss won't win the West, and I'd be suprised if they won more than 7 games.
You hit the nail on the head....
Hardie
12-02-2004, 04:02 AM
Ole Miss's best chance to win the west came with Eliiiiiiiiiiiii ( gotta love the name ) last year. I dont see them challengin for the title for awhile until they get thing in order over there.
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