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Old 03-06-2009, 11:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Judgment day: Florida State learns fate from NCAA Committee on Infractions, report on academic fraud case to become public later today

Florida State has received ruling from the NCAA Committee on Infractions regarding the university’s academic fraud case. The report will be released to the public later today, and there will be a 3 p.m. teleconference with the NCAA Committee on Infractions to discuss the case, NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn said earlier today.

Stay tuned to the Chopping Block for further updates.
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Most 'Nole fans I've seen commenting on the possible sanctions think they'll get a few more schollies cut than the school already suggested, forfeit some wins, and lose at least 1 track National Championship. Sounds like some pretty steep penalties; and if that's what happens, it'll be verification that the NCAA is, in fact, trying to take a tougher stance than in the past, imo.
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I think they should also consider limiting the number of Papa Bowden interviews to 14 per year. It would be a welcome change from the 37 or so they do annually now.
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I think they should also consider limiting the number of Papa Bowden interviews to 14 per year. It would be a welcome change from the 37 or so they do annually now.
He gives 3 or 4 on the sideline during the game. Good thing they dont need him to coach.
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He gives 3 or 4 on the sideline during the game. Good thing they dont need him to coach.
I think it takes 3 or 4 before anyone understands what he's trying to say. So much for going out with grace, and on a high note.
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Judgment day: Florida State learns fate from NCAA Committee on Infractions, report on academic fraud case to become public later today

Florida State has received ruling from the NCAA Committee on Infractions regarding the university’s academic fraud case. The report will be released to the public later today, and there will be a 3 p.m. teleconference with the NCAA Committee on Infractions to discuss the case, NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn said earlier today.

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Most 'Nole fans I've seen commenting on the possible sanctions think they'll get a few more schollies cut than the school already suggested, forfeit some wins, and lose at least 1 track National Championship. Sounds like some pretty steep penalties; and if that's what happens, it'll be verification that the NCAA is, in fact, trying to take a tougher stance than in the past, imo.
I will buy that when they start to actually care what USC and Cheaty Petey are doing.


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Dennis Thomas, the vice chair of the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions and the acting chair for the FSU academic fraud case, is speaking on a teleconference right now.

Thomas was one of five people who heard the case. He said FSU committed "major violations."

"This case is extremely serious because of the large number of student-athletes involved and because academic fraud is considered by the committee to be among the most egregious of NCAA infractions," Thomas said.

He said the online exams in the music course were not administered in a structured environment. He also said that FSU's academic advising services department was not supervised in a consistent manner.

Posted at 3:25: Thomas was asked whether any consideration was given to Bobby Bowden's all-time wins total, and Thomas responded that Bowden's record was not a consideration when the committee made its findings.

Posted at 3:27: Thomas was asked about how many games each sport will have to forfeit. His answer was unclear. It's important to know largely to see where Bowden's all-time wins total stands. An NCAA spokeswoman clarified that it's FSU's job to determine whether ineligible students participated in an intercollegiate event. Anytime ineligible students participated in an intercollegiate event, the school must vacate wins from those games. Then, the school must report those findings to the NCAA.

Posted at 3:30: An NCAA spokeswoman clarified the difference between forfeitures and vacating games and records. Vacating records means that FSU will lose wins or records, but that the opponents' records from those games will not change.

Posted at 3:33: Thomas called this a "very difficult case," largely because of the number of athletes involved.

Posted at 3:34: Thomas was asked whether FSU has given any indication that it wants to appeal. "You have to ask Florida State that," Thomas said. "They have an appropriate time to appeal after we finish the press conference today."

Posted at 3:42: Thoomas acknowledged that the Committee had no evidence that FSU played ineligible athletes it knew to be ineligible. Earlier in the call, Thomas praised FSU for cooperating with NCAA enforcement officials.

Posted at 3:46: The question-and-answer period has ended. An NCAA spokeswoman said no one from the NCAA will make any further comment about the case.

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Pending any appeals by Florida State or any amendments by the NCAA, this is how the summary record of the academic fraud investigation will be recorded in the NCAA's major infractions database:

Institution: Florida State University
Date: 06-MAR-09

Violation Summary: Violations of NCAA legislation involving three former University Athletics Academic Support Services staff members (including a former learning specialist) who gave improper assistance resulting in academic fraud to numerous student-athletes representing multiple sport programs. There were also associated violations relating to the provision of impermissible benefits and a failure to monitor by the institution.

Penalty Summary: Additional penalties imposed by the committee were as follows: public reprimand and censure; four years of probation (the institution had proposed a period of two years); additional limits in the number of grants-in-aid in football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's track and field, baseball, softball and men's golf; vacation of all records in which the 61 student-athletes competed while ineligible during 2006 and 2007 in the sports of football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's track and field, baseball, softball and men's golf; show-cause order for the former learning specialist for a period of four years; show-cause order for the former tutor for a period of three years; show-cause order for the former academic advisor for a period of five years; annual compliance reporting required.

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However much I dislike FSU, it seems very fishy how fast the NCAA is to slam probations and such on schools in the South, meanwhile schools such as USC are practically paying recruits and their families.


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My conclusions:

Things that will happen:

1) Loss of 6 scholarships in football over 3 years........NOTHING

2) Loss of approx 1 scholarship in each minor sport...............NOTHING

3) Four year probation..............doesn't hurt if you're careful over 4 years

4) Public reprimand................NOTHING unless TK and Bobby are publicly spanked

5) Vacationg wins.......WILL NOT HAPPEN since it's being left up to FSU and would cost Bobby a chance at the record.


This punishment IMO isn't even a slap on the wrist. Bama and Kentucky got destroyed in 2001 for violations that involved only 1 sport. FSU is skating for something that involves 10 sports.
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My conclusions:

Things that will happen:

1) Loss of 6 scholarships in football over 3 years........NOTHING

2) Loss of approx 1 scholarship in each minor sport...............NOTHING

3) Four year probation..............doesn't hurt if you're careful over 4 years

4) Public reprimand................NOTHING unless TK and Bobby are publicly spanked

5) Vacationg wins.......WILL NOT HAPPEN since it's being left up to FSU and would cost Bobby a chance at the record.


This punishment IMO isn't even a slap on the wrist. Bama and Kentucky got destroyed in 2001 for violations that involved only 1 sport. FSU is skating for something that involves 10 sports.
The vacating wins isn't actually being left up to FSU. What's being left up to them is identifying which student-athletes actually participated while they should have been ineligible; and then they have 3 months to send the report to the NCAA. It's not like FSU can leave athletes out who participated or anything; the records of them playing or participating are on a couple hundred sports websites. I don't think they win any appeal on vacating wins, either. Too many athletes involved (61). It's going to cost them games, competitions, and records in 10 sports over 2006 and 2007, including at least 1 NC in track, perhaps 2. It's got a lot more bite than it seems at first glance. Also consider that they're going to be heavily monitored and scrutinized for the next 4 years... if they can stay out of trouble for the next 4 years (instead of their recommended 2), while under the NCAA microscope, I'll be amazed. Also consider the ACC has yet to hand down their sanctions, which they've said repeatedly are coming.

Looks like the football team alone may have to cough up 14 wins.

The NCAA Committee on Infractions’ decision to make FSU vacate its records for the fall of 2006, spring of 2007 and fall of 2007 dominated a Q&A with Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference Commission Dennis Thomas, the acting committee chair for the FSU case.

Here are some excerpts from Thomas’ answers to questions he fielded during the 45-minute news conference. Note: Reporters from a handful of state media outlets, including the Tallahassee Democrat, and from other parts of the country participated in this interview session.

Thomas: “The institution would have to determine the student-athletes who participated while ineligible.

Q: The committee doesn’t have that information?

Thomas: “The institution is responsible for going back and identifying student-athletes who actually participated in the different sports while ineligible. The institution is responsible for going back in identifying the student-athletes who participated in 2006 (academic year) and possibly 2007, the fall of 2007 academic year.

Q: Even if one ineligible player participated in any of those games, those wins are vacated for either of those years?

Thomas: Yes. … Those team records would have to be vacated.

Q: I just wonder if the committee in general was aware of the gravity of accessing a forfeit penalty in football given that it may involve one of the all-time records. (FSU coach Bobby Bowden trails Joe Paterno in all-time wins by one. At jeopardy are 14 wins accumulated over the 2006 and 2007 seasons.)

Thomas: The committee does not get into whether or not you have a famous athlete or famous coach and a record is involved. The committee adjudicates the facts and really reviews the facts as presented.

Q: Can I get a little more clarity on the vacating? I talked to the university vice president and the response was “our position was we didn’t play ineligible players so we shouldn’t be losing games.” That’s the university’s position and that seems to conflict a little bit with your thinking that they are going to go back and start vacating games.

Thomas: “I can only speak to what we (understand) here is that any ineligible student-athlete that has participated, the committee has rendered there will be vacation regarding those games that student-athletes participated in that were ineligible.”

Q: You’re leaving it to the university, is that correct?

Thomas: “It’s on the university to identify who those student-athletes are or were who participated while ineligible. I have stated that on several occasions.”

Q: One of the most difficult aspects of this whole process is identifying these students. How concerned are you guys that Florida State is going to be able to do that in 90 days?

Thomas: We have the utmost confidence in Florida State being able to identify those student-athletes who actually participated while ineligible.

Q: The university’s contention is that as soon as they found out about this they did not play players and they worked with the NCAA to hand down the 30-percent suspension. Is that where the timeline (for ineligible players) begins? When they knew who the players were or does it begin before they got involved in the self-reporting?

Thomas: “There was no evidence that indicates Florida State knowingly played ineligible players...”

Q: What if in 90 days Florida State comes back and says, ‘We’re not vacating any victories.’ -- what happens then?

Thomas: “I’m not going to get into what Florida State has said to you or other reporters. … And clearly I state again it’s up to Florida State University to identify those student-athletes that participated while ineligible.

Q: You’re saying as soon as a player cheats, that he’s ineligible whether the school knows it or not? They have to vacate the game?
NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn answered the question: Correct.

Q: If an athlete competes in a game or event and it’s later found out he should have been ineligible, does it matter what he did. If he signed with a sports agent and should have been ineligible -- should those games be vacated or is this a special case?

Osborn: No, this isn’t a special case.

Q: So whenever an athlete does something against the rules and should have been ineligible, then the school has to vacate games?

Osburn: For equity purposes for all of our institutions the rules are as soon as a student-athlete violates an NCAA rule that effects their eligibility, they are ineligible at the time of that violation until they are reinstated.

Q: I want to clarify a statement that you made earlier that you guys had no evidence that the university knowingly played inelibble athletes. Is that correct?

Thomas: Yes, that is correct.

Q: The student-athletes clearly incurred a penalty ? 30-percent loss of his or her season. Is going back after they were penalized on that front and having them vacate performances, an additional punishment and is that very common?

Thomas: “…once a student was determined to be ineligible and if they did indeed participate in games while they were ineligible, those games or individual records would be vacated.”

Q: Florida State, after working with the reinforcement staff re-interviewed student athletes and essentially offered this deal to take this deal and moved. If Joe Smith had won the 400-meter dash at the NCAA championship he vacates that record and is penalized the second time for a second offense.

Osburn: The student-athlete reinstatement process -- that is a process that is completely separate. A vacation of record from the Committee on Infractions, that is an institutional thing. Student-athlete reinstatement is an individual penalty. You can’t get benefit from participating while ineligible.


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Eh...just give 'em the death penalty. They've certainly done enough in the last 15 years to deserve it...

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It's so funny to hear Florida people hating on Bowden... it makes the Alabama/Florida rivalry so much better.

... Except the fact that Florida wasn't anywhere near good when Bowden played at Bama.





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Bowden is from Alabama, he didnt play at Alabama

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It's so funny to hear Florida people hating on Bowden... it makes the Alabama/Florida rivalry so much better.

... Except the fact that Florida wasn't anywhere near good when Bowden played at Bama.
What rivalry would that be? Most Bama and UF fans have respect for each other. That Bowden played 3rd or 4th string QB for Bama all the way back in the '40's ('46-'48) doesn't have anything to do with it. The only time UF even played Bama back then was in '48, and it was a 34-28 win for Bama... not exactly a killing. In fact, we probably have one of the better series records with them, 14-21... certainly nothing like the 16-71-3 series record MSU has against them.

The reason UF fans hate Bowden is because he's a proven liar, cheater, and con-artist, who tries to hide behind fake faith and folksiness to cover up all his improprieties. And, he raised a bunch of kids the same way to do the same things. As for Bowden vs. UF, he has no bragging rights... the series record during his coaching career is 17-17-1; and all-time, it's 32-20-2 in UF's favor.
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He did. So did Sherrill. And Croom. And probably everyone else who sucks at life.

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What rivalry would that be? Most Bama and UF fans have respect for each other. That Bowden played 3rd or 4th string QB for Bama all the way back in the '40's ('46-'48) doesn't have anything to do with it. The only time UF even played Bama back then was in '48, and it was a 34-28 win for Bama... not exactly a killing. In fact, we probably have one of the better series records with them, 14-21... certainly nothing like the 16-71-3 series record MSU has against them.

The reason UF fans hate Bowden is because he's a proven liar, cheater, and con-artist, who tries to hide behind fake faith and folksiness to cover up all his improprieties. And, he raised a bunch of kids the same way to do the same things. As for Bowden vs. UF, he has no bragging rights... the series record during his coaching career is 17-17-1; and all-time, it's 32-20-2 in UF's favor.
Wow wow wow... no need to get hostile. I was just putting that out there. Over half of the SECCG's have been Bama vs UF, and if you don't call that a rivalry then you're crazy.

As far as the comment about the 16-71-3... That's bold coming from a team that hasn't won in Starkville since 1983. Actually, I think MSU and now Ole Miss are always there to end a great Florida season. Will it happen next year? No, but that was bold.





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wow, I feel incredibly stupid either not knowing or forgetting that Bowden played for Bama

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