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Old 12-30-2004, 03:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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well actually licoln did almost the same thing during the war between the states/civil war- he passed a law where one could be arrested and held in jail for "suspicion" of being a spy and the government-aka army- could use anything of citizens they needed with out permission. this is not a new thing to happen in time of war. and not just the president passed this. 2/3 of the senators elected by the people had to approve it. and it is only good while we are at war. its not like the government is going to go to your house and just arrest you for no reason, they are just trying to speed up the process of capturing terrorist by not needing such things as search warrents.
That statement alone goes against what our forefathers died for. The 4th Amendment protects us against searches and seizures without a court issued warrant and due process of law. The USA Patriot Act nullifies the following amendments;

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation


Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


One thing that people don't realize is that the Bill of Rights does NOT say what we can or cannot do. It limits what the GOVERNMENT can or cannot do. If you allow walls to be put up concerning certain God given freedoms, then we may wake up and find out that walls have been built up around ALL of our freedoms.

So based on your assumptions on arrest and search powers, we are going to trust the government (A government that has lied to it's people consistantly) to not abuse their powers? HA! I'll believe that when I win the lottery, have a car accident, open heart surgery and get struck by lightning in the same day.

If you don't think they arrest US CITIZENS without probable cause, do a Google.com search on US born citizen Jose Padillia.

I love this country with all of my heart. I'm a registered Libertarian here in NC and I DO NOT believe in trading my freedoms to make peoples lives easier. Our freedom is exactly what makes this country the best in the world.
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