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The Joker

The Joker

Member Since 21 Jul 2004
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In Topic: Israel land invasion of Gaza begins

Yesterday, 09:00 AM

View PostDjCrenshaw, on 31 July 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

Bs. Your so one sided u cant be subjective enough to make a point. Your making your decision purely on religious ideas I am almost certain. Israel wasnt even a state when jesus was around.

Boy! You really are that ignorant in this case...

This is recorded history. It's not open for debate. Pick up a book and read it sometime. You know, a book that doesn't have "pop-up" pictures and the like. A real book.

Just because it doesn't fit "your" version of the facts doesn't make it false.

View PostThe Joker, on 31 July 2014 - 06:32 AM, said:

History states that the land was originally owned by the Jews (Decendants of the Jews) and they were displaced by the Romans and Ottoman Turks (Muslims). The Turks then gave the land to the British who in turn, gave it back to the Jews with the creation of the state of Israel.

When the British split the Mandate of Palestine up in 1948, most of it became Jordan, while the coastal strip was split into the Jewish State and Arab State.

The Arabs didn't like the partition, so they attacked and were defeated by the Israelis, who expanded their country. In 1967 (The Six Day War of 67).  The Israelis launched a strike against Jordan, Syria and Egypt, and conquered the Golan Heights, Gaza Strip, West Bank (all three are still occupied) and the Sinai Peninsula (which was later returned to Egypt).

The UN asked the Israelis to pull back their forces to the border before the Six Day War, but they refused given that this was territory that was conquered in war.

So under international law, Israel is mostly for the Jews, but parts of it, the Palestinian Territories (Gaza and the West Bank), are illegally occupied and belong to the Palestinians.

The problem with the "occupied territories" is that Israel has a right to defend herself and if that means forming a blockade around the West Bank and Gaza, then so be it. Remember, the Palestinians elected a KNOWN terrorist organization to represent them as their government. At that moment, they pi$$ed away any credibility that they had or would have earned along with any and all respect.

In Topic: Israel land invasion of Gaza begins

Yesterday, 08:38 AM

View Postnova, on 31 July 2014 - 08:35 AM, said:

Again, don't pick a fight if you're not willing to get your ass beat.  Without the various fight picking and ass beating the UN plan would be the borders of today...


All Israel has ever wanted was to live in peace and co-exist with the world. The problem? The nations surrounding them have sworn to their destruction. 99.9% of the time, when the Israeli military gets involved, it's in self defense.

In Topic: Israel land invasion of Gaza begins

Yesterday, 08:33 AM

Here are 20 conveniently overlooked facts that give some perspective to the current Middle East situation.

1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E, the Jews had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4.The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 hundred times in Bible. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees absorbed by Israel from Arab countries is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied their police and security forces with weapons.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel -- notwithstanding the fact that the Arabs refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately to undo its work by force of arms.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967.

19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967.

20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967.

In Topic: New Car

Yesterday, 08:01 AM

The mileage on most vehicle labels will be reduced by 1 to 2 MPG, and the largest adjustment will be 6 MPG highway for the Kia Soul.

In Topic: New Car

Yesterday, 07:58 AM

 MizzouMark, on 31 July 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

I'd take another look at the MPGs they're putting out now.

His Elantra gets 38,an Xdrive 328 gets 35 and a Corolla if it's an automatic gets the exact same mpg.  Depreciation is pretty rough but that happens to most cars in this category not named Honda or Toyota.

Congrats on the new Car Boba you made a good choice.

I'm talking real-life MPG and not the estimated garbage that they sell people on.

For example, my 328iXD in Eco-Pro mode on level ground driving at 70 mph with the CC on.... I average around 43 mpg. The most I've ever gotten was 57 mpg in Eco-Pro Mode. No bull$hit!

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Sport mode... That's a TOTALLY different story....

As for Hyundai and KIA overstating their fuel economy, see the link below...