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In Topic: It's the Muslims, stupid.

16 June 2013 - 05:36 PM

View Postsmokeyone, on 13 June 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

So you will not look up a definition or look at example of state established religions. Got it. Typical, you are afraid to deal with reality because of your religious bias. Im almost disappointed.

I find it amusing that you are accusing someone of not dealing with reality... when you yourself wrote in another thread "You state that your core beliefs should evolve based on evidence and experience. I disagree."

It seems that every opinion you have is based on Mickey-mouse type logic and critical thinking skills.  Every reply of yours in this thread shows how completely ignorant you are about this subject.

In Topic: It's the Muslims, stupid.

10 June 2013 - 04:50 AM

View Postsmokeyone, on 09 June 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

Only when presented with evidence to the contrary to their convictions. For instance, using the treaty of 1797s article 11 as a foundation for this not being a Christian nation when that article was not part of the ratified treaty, was not discovered til the 1930s, the treaty was broken in 1801 and article 11 was not part of the 1806 rewrite of the treaty because you really really want something to support your side.

"Only when presented with evidence to the contrary to their convictions. "

Wrong.  Belief is only justified when there is evidence to support belief.  I've already told you this like 3 times in this thread, but you keep repeating this same statement over and over.

Just because your beliefs have not been disproven by evidence, it doesn't necessarily mean that you are justified in holding these beleifs.  If you care about the truth, then you will start believing in something once there is EVIDENCE (not a good feeling, or convenience) to support what you believe.  

I'm done talking to you.  You have repeated multiple times that you don't care about evidence, so there's no point talking to you about anything.  Keep living in your dream world were you believe whatever you want, and you look down at people who base their beliefs on reality.

In Topic: It's the Muslims, stupid.

09 June 2013 - 05:34 PM

View Postsmokeyone, on 08 June 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

My believes are supported by experience and knowledge gained by exposure to the world. The years have reinforced those core beliefs. No matter how you spin it wrong is wrong, right is right, acceptable is acceptable, unacceptable is unacceptable. Core beliefs are there to work through the gray areas.

You will understand when you grow up and develop some real core beliefs.

"My believes are supported by experience and knowledge gained by exposure to the world. "

You have yet to demonstrate this to be true, and I strongly suspect that the above statement is not true.  Especially after just 1 day ago, you wrote: "You state that your core beliefs should evolve based on evidence and experience. I disagree."

I don't know how else to explain this to you, but I value believing TRUE things more than having strong conviction.  And I'm amazed that you keep repeating over and over that you think it's childish to change one's beliefs if presented with enough evidence to warrant the change.  If you care about believing true things, then you must change your beliefs (whether you like it or not) if reality suggests that your beliefs are wrong.  I'm amazed (or maybe I shouldn't be) that you keep insisting that this is a childish way of reasoning.

You are easily the most irrational person I've ever communicated with.

In Topic: It's the Muslims, stupid.

08 June 2013 - 07:37 PM

View Postsmokeyone, on 08 June 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

Reading isnt your strong suit is it?

If I have never come across anything to change my core beliefs why should they be changed? Right is right and wrong is wrong. Acceptable is acceptable and unacceptable is unacceptable. If never presented with evidence in conflict with this why change it?

Just because you lack any sort of conviction isnt justification for expecting everyone else to be as weak as you.

I don't know why I'm replying to you.. but here it is.

The fact that you haven't found evidence to disprove what you believe, doesn't mean that what you believe is true.  There are millions of false things that you can believe in, which could not be disproven (unfalsifiable hypothesis... look it up).  Belief is only justified when there is proof FOR the belief.  

The fact that you have not found anything to DISPROVE your beliefs says nothing as to whether your beliefs are true.  And why do you care if there's proof or not?  You've repeating multiple times that you don't base your beliefs on proof.

In Topic: It's the Muslims, stupid.

08 June 2013 - 03:04 PM

View Postsmokeyone, on 08 June 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

I have never seen anything to show my beliefs to be wrong, thus no reason to change them. I can be faced with a situation, weigh it against what is right and wrong, acceptable and unacceptable and draw the correct course of action to take. According to your statements it seems you lack that ability or cant trust your decisions. Maybe when you grow up you will get there. But that would force you to re examine your life and force you to give up your childhood so its not likely.

No shit you haven't seen anything that challenges your beliefs, since you don't believe that your beliefs should conform to reality.  You wrote earlier: "You state that your core beliefs should evolve based on evidence and experience. I disagree."

If you think that it is childish to change one's beliefs if faced with the evidence to justify such change... then you are beyond hope.  There's no point in talking to you, since you have repeated multiple times that evidence doesn't matter to you, and that evidence does not shape what you believe to be true.  

I don't think I've ever seen a person so proud of admitting that they don't care about the evidence, and that they don't care if their beliefs are true or not.  The only one acting childish here is you.