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In Topic: so, john chavis is suing LSU and AGGY?

Today, 07:36 PM

LSU plans to use bowl game footage to prove that Chavis quit on or before Dec. 30, 2014.

In Topic: 5.56 62 gr green tip ammo

03 March 2015 - 02:22 PM

View Postdawgbit, on 03 March 2015 - 11:07 AM, said:


I get that a law in place is still a law, good or bad (bad IMHO). That said, what I'm arguing is that this is not about the law per se, but a VERY dangerous reinterpretation of an existing law. Greentips were not designated nor have they ever been "armor piercing" and yet we suddenly have a ban. Why them and not some other arbitrary combination of 5.56 cartridge? What about .300 Blackout? Or an ar10 pistol upper?
If armor piercing is the cutoff, there should be a line of delineation, a cutoff for high powered rifle cartridges. For that matter, define a high-powered cartridge? There's not a legal definition that I'm aware if, though as i understand, the consensus thinking traditionally says a velocity greater than 2200fps and a bullet weight more than 125gr. That leaves a metric Posted Image-ton of cartridges out of the category including all iterations of 5.56.

Its a really slippery and dangerous slope we are astride right now, and yes that blame can be laid squarely at the feet of the current administration. They didn't get there without help, but we are there now based on decisions made by this sitting potus and his appointments.

I was familiar with the Teflon myth, and agree it's a bad law based on misinformation and hysteria. What is more egregious to me now is the twisting and contorting of an already bad statute to suit the gun grabbers agenda.
Cool.  You make valid points, and I'll be interested in seeing how the hearings on this proposal play out.

In Topic: 5.56 62 gr green tip ammo

02 March 2015 - 09:38 PM

View Postdawgbit, on 02 March 2015 - 06:14 PM, said:

Blaming a reinterpretation of the law by current admin on a decades gone admin is a bit disingenuous, no?

Setting aside arguments about the ban of Teflon and true armor piercing ammo, the question here is the legality of this current proposition by the current administration.
1. Not blaming, just pointing out that Obama is not to blame for this--though the confusion is understandable, since every right-wing site out there is screaming "THE DEBBIL MUSLIN OBAMA IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER" because God forbid they provide facts when whipping the masses into a frenzy is so much easier (and they don't really want you thinking anyway).

2. A law passed by a previous admin is still a law, no?

Here is the argument of the BATF (via Snopes):


Applying the sporting purposes framework set-forth above, the 5.56mm projectile that ATF exempted in 1986 does not qualify for an exemption because that projectile when loaded into SS109 and M855 cartridges may be used in a handgun other than a single-shot handgun. Specifically, 5.56mm projectiles loaded into the SS109 and M855 cartridges are commonly used in both "AR-type" rifles and "AR-type" handguns.

The AR platform is the semi-automatic version of the M16 machinegun originally designed for and used by the military. The AR-based handguns and rifles utilize the same magazines and share identical receivers. These AR-type handguns were not commercially available when the armor piercing ammunition exemption was granted in 1986. To ensure consistency, upon final implementation of the sporting purpose framework outlined above, ATF must withdraw the exemptions for 5.56 mm "green tip" ammunition, including both the SS109 and M855 cartridges.

That strikes me as sound reasoning and application of the existing statute. Now, whether the cartridges in question are true armor-piercing rounds may be a matter for debate--not that you'd know it from most discussions.

Sorry.  Been working late trying to finish a project at work, and I'm sleep-deprived and cranky.

In Topic: 5.56 62 gr green tip ammo

02 March 2015 - 05:38 PM

You clowns do understand that the law under which this ammo is being pulled was signed into law by one Ronald Reagan?

In Topic: Why did WTC 7 fall but the Dubai tower didn't?

23 February 2015 - 10:10 AM

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