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JoeGator, on 20 May 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

I'd say Foley has definitely put his stamp on this award.

UF Overall Finishes
1983-84 - 2nd
1984-85 - 2nd
1985-86 - 3rd
1986-87 - 3rd
1987-88 - 1st
1988-89 - 1st
1989-90 - 4th
1990-91 - 2nd
1991-92 - 1st - Jeremy Foley is promoted to Athletics Director.
1992-93 - 1st
1993-94 - 1st
1994-95 - 1st
1995-96 - 1st
1996-97 - 1st
1997-98 - 1st
1998-99 - 1st
1999-00 - 1st
2000-01 - 1st
2001-02 - 1st
2002-03 - 1st
2003-04 - 1st
2004-05 - 1st
2005-06 - 2nd
2006-07 - 1st
2007-08 - 1st
2008-09 - 1st
2009-10 - 1st
2010-11 - 1st
2011-12 - 1st
2012-13 - 1st

Matt Bonner had 12 points, 2 rebounds, and an assist in the Spurs' game 1 win over the Grizzlies Sunday.

David Lee had 9 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, and a steal in 12 minutes for the Warriors in their series-ending loss to the Spurs.

Matt Bonner had 2 points and a rebound in 7 minutes for the Spurs in the win.

ShaunMac, on 16 May 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

Honestly, this is how I feel when I'm in the middle of one of these threads and the other Gator fans are gone for a day...

UAdan, on 16 May 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

Sorry if you misunderstood what I was saying or if I didn't say it well. I wasn't trying to compare the coaches or programs in terms of scandals.

What I was trying to say is those coaches were thought to be great disciplinarians, too; but what eventually emerged was that they benefitted from an environment of cooperation by the surrounding community... in other words, the lack of player issues being reported there wasn't SOLELY because of them or their discipline system.

The only reason I mentioned those scandals at all was not to suggest Bama is also hiding something, but to show just how much, in extreme cases, could be kept secret by a community for its program. Because we all later learned that literally thousands of people from those communities knew everything that was suddenly being reported, but had collectively kept it to themselves for years. I thought it was incredible that those things stayed secret and quiet so long without anyone ever having a bout of conscience and breaking rank.

So I'm not suggesting Bama is hiding anything at all; just that even some of the most highly regarded disciplinarians have had the help of their communities. Ohio State and Penn State were just high-profile, extreme examples of that, not comparisons of potential wrongdoing to Bama.

Saban has plenty to do with keeping Bama's players acting right; but don't you think if it was SOLELY his doing, other coaches, especially ones who've worked with him, would've picked up on it and patterned their own systems and policies the same way?

I was just countering the contention that Saban was the only reason there weren't more player issues coming out of Tuscaloosa; and that nobody else seemed to know how to do it. Sure, he's the head coach, so he gets his due credit for what he's accomplished; but it's not like what he's doing is some state secret that no other coaches can figure out or imitate.

There are schools in some college towns that would not be as accomodating to Saban, or anybody else for that matter. As I said, in some towns the athletes are not only not given any special consideration, they get the opposite... they actually get targeted and treated worse than average students by law enforcement.

I'll give you a Gainesville hypothetical. Say 2 students are speeding and acting the fool on scooters on campus, and the PD officer can only chase 1 of them. If one of those students is 250 and looks like he's chiseled out of granite, and the other guy is a buck and a quarter and looks like Myron the law student, granite's headed for jail... every time. And by the time he gets there, the reporters will already have their equipment set up.

Hell, I'd be happy if they didn't give the UF players any special treatment, as long as they'd just quit giving them unequal treatment on the opposite end of the spectrum.