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In Topic: DNC collaborating with various news outlets to conspire against Trump, Sander...

Yesterday, 07:11 PM

View Postbbqit, on 26 July 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

Lbj gets credit for equal rights but it was the republicans that voted it thru

Yes, it took bipartisanship to get a good thing done, which goes back to my original point.

In Topic: DNC collaborating with various news outlets to conspire against Trump, Sander...

Yesterday, 04:42 PM

View Postbbqit, on 26 July 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Lbj moved social security to the general fund. Thus began the great :lanekiffin:ing of the average u s citizen

Yes, and everyone hated(even at the time) his decision to go all out in Vietnam. It's what ultimately led to him not running for a 2nd term.

But his work in equal rights(granted you could probably credit a lot of that to JFK since he just continued what JFK started, but eh) led to a lot of advances in equality for all in America.

There's positives and negatives for all presidents, though. Even Abraham Lincoln, who if not rated the #1 president of all time by pretty much every publication/poll ever ran on the issue, is at least top 3 in each one, gets hate from some for numerous things.

Such is the nature of politics.

In Topic: DNC collaborating with various news outlets to conspire against Trump, Sander...

Yesterday, 04:33 PM

View PostTheRealBrave, on 25 July 2016 - 08:39 PM, said:

I call bullshat. Any good Republican president post WW1 has any of their accomplishments diminished and their failures highlighted. Every Democrat blames GWB for the economy sucking 8 years later, but try explaining how Bill Clinton contributed to the Housing Bubble a few years after his presidency. George Bush gets skewered (rightfully so) for Iraq, but you don't hear a peep about JFK getting us into Vietnam, and LBJ digging his feet in on Vietnam. The Left diminishes Reagan's contribution to ending the Cold War, but act as if President Obama himself gunned down Osama Bin Laden

I honestly don't know of anyone who agrees with us being in vietnam, republican or democrat. Pretty sure everyone agrees on that being a huge blemish on the presidencies of both JFK and LBJ.

That being said most of what JFK did(and a lot of what LBJ did) was good, so most are willing to overlook it in the long term.

Either way, the telling aspect of every even relatively successful presidency we've had is bipartisanship.

You political nuts are too busy name calling each other to actually work together though.

In Topic: 2016 "No Way In Hell" Thread

Yesterday, 02:12 PM

View PostUAdan, on 26 July 2016 - 12:38 PM, said:

NWIH will Butch Jones be the UT coach in 17 if he fails to beat UF in 16.

Vol fans will be pissed off about the loss to UF but if the Vols go 10-2 or 11-1, even if one of those/if the one loss is to Florida, Butch wouldn't be going anywhere.

That also being said, if we lose to Florida the chances of 10-2 or 11-1 are probably slim to none.

In Topic: Predict the Record (2016): Week 9 - Tennessee

23 July 2016 - 03:55 PM

View PostJoeGator, on 22 July 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

Butch will probably never beat teams more talented than his and struggles to beat those with equal talent.

3 years in, I think that says enough.

12 SC
15 UGA

Can't think of any other good wins.

I think it'll depend on the coordinators he surrounds himself with overall. Shoop is one of the best DCs in the business, but DeBord is kinda eh..Not nearly as bad as I thought he would be last year, but I think improvements could be made.

It's a somewhat similar situation with what we had with Fulmer, though I view Butch as a worse coach overall. When Fulmer had the pairing of Cutcliffe+Chavis as OC/DC his record was 64-13(.831 winning %). Without that pairing he was 88-39(.692). Obviously the second number isn't terrible but it doesn't come close to matching his success with the Chavis/Cut duo. Fulmer needed someone on offense that he fully trusted. Cut was that guy, as Fulmer always butted in on Randy Sanders' decisions as OC. He never did that with Cutcliffe, which is why if you compare the offenses we had under Cut to the ones under Sanders, you'll find far more aggressive play calling.

Butch's offense has gotten better each year he's been here. We were one of the best rushing offenses in the country last year, and should only be better this year. He has to learn when to put or keep his foot on the gas, though.