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[jthomas666]

Crimson Kicker8, on 20 December 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

I already addressed your point about blades making it much harder to kill people.  You obviously missed it.

Wrong again, but don't get discouraged.  You'll figure it out eventually.  One would think.

[Crimson Kicker8]

A Poster Who Can, on 20 December 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Stop being an idiot.
However, it's harder to kill with a knife than with a gun.

Lulz

[nova]

razorhead, on 20 December 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

I support your right to have guns for protection.  If I were there I'd probably have a couple of handguns too.  But the large clip assault rifles?  There probably wouldn't be enough of them assaulting your house to need that unless you're a bad shot.

The standard carbine makes a fantastic home defense weapon.  It's compact, easy to maneuver, allows for quick follow up shots if necessary and has the stopping power that only a rifle has.  Mount a weapon light and you never have to take your hands off to sweep your home.  

And it has nothing to do with being a bad shot.  There are scores of records of guys shot with handguns who were simply tough enough, mean enough, had enough drugs in their system or no vital areas were impacted, who just keep coming.  That's guys shot by "highly trained" police officers.

Fighting for your life is not like sitting a tree stand waiting for the 8 point to stop or blasting paper targets at the range.  It's a stressful situation that makes it very easy to not get ideal shot placement to stop an attacker.  Even small differences in approach angles can mean vital areas are missed completely...



Due to the increased energy levels, a rifle round is a lot more forgiving of shot placement, at the same time the increased sight radius and having two hands on the weapon to steady provides for more accurate shots.

[shamoan]

zartan, on 20 December 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

Eh. I'm gonna walk out of this thread too.

I agree with Razor. I don't want the abolition of guns but it sure seems strange not even to consider stricter gun control as a possible solution

i dont want anybody who is a threat to use a gun in an unintended manor to get a gun either, but it does not mean i am against more stringent control manners, but when you start limiting types of guns, i have a problem.  make it as hard as you want, but guns will still find their way in the hands of those who will abuse them....and here is the most important part....REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE ILLEGAL.  i would be hesitantly willing to agree to waiting periods, more thorough background checks, and mental stability screenings, but unfortunately, that would have zero impact on what just took place.  that POS was no different that any other criminal.  he STOLE a weapon, used it on its owner, and then proceeded to murder others who had no defense.

its a multifactoral problem and people want to simply it saying that if the guns are illegal, these types of things wont happen.  i wish that were true, but i think we all know that is a pipe dream when we look to the flood of drugs that are on our streets.  making them illegal would only impact the regular joe and his ability to defend himself from anything he perceived as a threat.  its simply not as easy as many want to believe.

Edited by shamoan, 20 December 2012 - 04:36 PM.

[bbqit]

Biden will head this "disarming of america". This should be one hell of a show cause he is lost in space.

[nova]

zartan, on 20 December 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

I agree with Razor. I don't want the abolition of guns but it sure seems strange not even to consider stricter gun control as a possible solution

That's just it.  It has been considered as a solution over the last 80 years or so and it was found to be lacking as a solution.  It's like you guys aren't paying attention.  

NFA '34
GCA '68
FOPA '86
The '94 AWB
The Brady Bill

Those are just the major changes to federal law that have continually tightened who, what, when and where a gun can be bought and yet here we are, nothing has changed.

If it wasn't packed up in anticipation of selling our house, I'd take a picture of the regulation books that BATFE sends me every year as an FFL holder. It's seriously 3.5 inches thick and printed on damn near bible pages.  That's the entirety of firearms law and regulation in the US.  Pages upon pages of laws that if violated will get you a $10k fine with 10 in the pen.

JFC the definition of insanity is doing the same shit over and over again but expecting a different result...

You want to make the country safer, here's some ideas.

1.  Find a way to ID the nutjobs and treat them through involuntary committment if necessary.  As it stand we wait for the nuts to actually hurt somebody and then ship them off to prison.  I saw a stat at one point that said 20-35% of inmates were incarcerated had some form of mental illness, and a significant portion's crimes were attributable to that illness.

2.  Reform our criminal justice system to get rid of the non-violent offenders and keep the violent offenders locked up.  You've got a lot more room for armed robbers and murderers in prison when you're not locking people up for dealing weed and prostitution.

3.  Take even some minimal defensive measures at places where people congregate unarmed, especially children.

Edited by nova, 20 December 2012 - 04:46 PM.

[zartan]

Maybe the gun lobby has neutered every bit of control legislation so as to make it ineffective, same as Wall Street and financial reform

[nova]

zartan, on 20 December 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Maybe the gun lobby has neutered every bit of control legislation so as to make it ineffective, same as Wall Street and financial reform

And maybe the president is a space alien and the world is going to end at 11AM tomorrow  

If you really believe that to be the case, then explain how.  I can guarantee you that's not the case...

Edited by nova, 20 December 2012 - 04:49 PM.

[CrimsoNation713]

bbqit, on 20 December 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Biden will head this "disarming of america". This should be one hell of a show cause he is lost in space.

Aint no way I'm trusting the same government that ran "Fast and Furious" to come up with gun control. Thats a scary thought in itself and now an idiot with a title is going to lead it ? Please Mayans...be right.

[Noah]

[the Paradox]

zartan, on 20 December 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

If I had a dollar for every time you've called people water heads, booger eaters or retards, I could afford to pay Alabama's starting 11 on defense

Actually you would come up short but hey Nick is staying so look on the bright side.


RTR

[shamoan]

im ok with reaching an agreement in some way, but lets not rush into some hasty decision based off the emotional backlash to push an agenda.  if you watch cnn, its an obituary of a 6 year old followed by a story on assault weapons laced with people that have never shot a gun in their entire lives preaching about the evils of guns who just so happens to support abortion.  that is clearly playing on the heart-strings of america.  no agendas, lets find some common ground....but i have my doubts on the willingness of anyone in washington to work in a bipartisan way to solve any of americas serious problems.

[Dawgfan4life24]

Biden's group is considering reinstating a ban on military-style assault weapons, which expired in 2004, closing loopholes that allow gun buyers to avoid background checks and restricting high-capacity magazines.

Who the put Biden in charge. Good Gawd.