Jump to content

Welcome to SECTalk.com

Welcome to SECTalk.com -- The Home of 6 Straight National Titles!

You are currently accessing our site as a guest which means you can't access all of our features such as social groups, sports betting, and many more. By joining our free community you will have access to all of these great features as well as to participating in our forums, contacting other members, and much more. Registration only takes a minute and SECTalk.com is absolutely free, so please join today!

If you have any problems registering or signing in, please contact us.


USA: More States Discussing Secession

- - - - -

This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
249 replies to this topic

#241
The Joker

The Joker

    Let's put a smile on that face.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Posts:
    16,687
  • Joined:
    Jul 2004
  • Location:
    Greenville, SC
  • Cash:
    0
  • High Fives:
    983

View PostGidnik, on 13 November 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

the patriot act has already been through the ringer and has been accepted as constitutional.


You sir are beyond help.
Blu-ray Disc Movie Collection: 927
Newest Purchase: Sin City: A Dame To Kill For

Gov. Gary Johnson for President in 2016


"Honor the vision of your founders, and respect the most sublime Constitution devised by human intelligence." - Daniel Hannan - British Member Of Parliament.

#242
GatorLaw

GatorLaw
  • Members
  • PipPip
  • Posts:
    939
  • Joined:
    Sep 2012
  • Cash:
    1,000
  • High Fives:
    233

View PostNeo, on 13 November 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

Like I've said before. My allegiance is with the Constitution and not any president. Obama is no different than Bush. Bush signed the Patriot Act into law and Obama went one step further with the NDAA. Both of them are tyrannical and have nullified their oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

Agreed.  But the members here will defend Bush's actions for some incoherent reason, and then get all upset when Obama does something.  When complaining about Obama, they will say "that was unconstitutional" but when pointed to them that Bush did things that were not constitutional, their response is "well... anyone with a brain will know that it was still ok."

Incredible.

Edited by GatorLaw, 13 November 2012 - 08:31 AM.

Posted Image

#243
The Joker

The Joker

    Let's put a smile on that face.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Posts:
    16,687
  • Joined:
    Jul 2004
  • Location:
    Greenville, SC
  • Cash:
    0
  • High Fives:
    983

View PostGidnik, on 13 November 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

would you like to know what is unconstitutional? forcing hobby lobby to pay for abortions for its employees or fining it 1.3 million dollars per day


What you listed above is just another example of a tyrannical government.....

You're proving my case for me.
Blu-ray Disc Movie Collection: 927
Newest Purchase: Sin City: A Dame To Kill For

Gov. Gary Johnson for President in 2016


"Honor the vision of your founders, and respect the most sublime Constitution devised by human intelligence." - Daniel Hannan - British Member Of Parliament.

#244
GatorLaw

GatorLaw
  • Members
  • PipPip
  • Posts:
    939
  • Joined:
    Sep 2012
  • Cash:
    1,000
  • High Fives:
    233

View PostNeo, on 13 November 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

You sir are beyond help.

That's nothing.  When I confronted SECats about Padilla being held for years without a trial, his response was "Bush rightfully declared that Padilla lost his constitutional rights when he joined the enemy."  When I asked him to cite the law/article/opinion that backed this crazy legal analysis, he came back to the "common sense dictates...."

You can't argue rational arguments with people who refuse to think logically.
Posted Image

#245
The Joker

The Joker

    Let's put a smile on that face.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Posts:
    16,687
  • Joined:
    Jul 2004
  • Location:
    Greenville, SC
  • Cash:
    0
  • High Fives:
    983

View PostGatorLaw, on 13 November 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

Agreed.  But the members here will defend Bush's actions for some incoherent reason, and then get all upset when Obama does something.  When complaining about Obama, they will say "that was unconstitutional" but when pointed to them that Bush did things that were not constitutional, their response is "well... anyone with a brain will know that it was still ok."

Incredible.


Some of the old members here will vouch for my consistency. I'm a die-hard Libertarian/Constitutionalist. If it's not an enumerated power, then the US Government doesn't have the authority. PERIOD

Both Bush and Obama should be charged with treason. They have willfully and freely violated their oath and as such, should be placed under arrest.
Blu-ray Disc Movie Collection: 927
Newest Purchase: Sin City: A Dame To Kill For

Gov. Gary Johnson for President in 2016


"Honor the vision of your founders, and respect the most sublime Constitution devised by human intelligence." - Daniel Hannan - British Member Of Parliament.

#246
The Joker

The Joker

    Let's put a smile on that face.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Posts:
    16,687
  • Joined:
    Jul 2004
  • Location:
    Greenville, SC
  • Cash:
    0
  • High Fives:
    983

View PostGatorLaw, on 13 November 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

That's nothing.  When I confronted SECats about Padilla being held for years without a trial, his response was "Bush rightfully declared that Padilla lost his constitutional rights when he joined the enemy."  When I asked him to cite the law/article/opinion that backed this crazy legal analysis, he came back to the "common sense dictates...."

You can't argue rational arguments with people who refuse to think logically.


I normally agree with SECCats on a wide array of issues, but if this is true, then we will have to agree to disagree.

Jose Padilla was a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN. No matter how much of a scumbag he is, he is entitled to Constitutionally protected rights. PERIOD! Charge and try him or release him. It's just that simple. Enough of the *secret* courts and such.

People really need to read about this man.

http://en.wikipedia....illa_(prisoner)
Blu-ray Disc Movie Collection: 927
Newest Purchase: Sin City: A Dame To Kill For

Gov. Gary Johnson for President in 2016


"Honor the vision of your founders, and respect the most sublime Constitution devised by human intelligence." - Daniel Hannan - British Member Of Parliament.

#247
GatorLaw

GatorLaw
  • Members
  • PipPip
  • Posts:
    939
  • Joined:
    Sep 2012
  • Cash:
    1,000
  • High Fives:
    233

View PostNeo, on 13 November 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

I normally agree with SECCats on a wide array of issues, but if this is true, then we will have to agree to disagree.

Jose Padilla was a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN. No matter how much of a scumbag he is, he is entitled to Constitutionally protected rights. PERIOD! Charge and try him or release him. It's just that simple. Enough of the *secret* courts and such.

People really need to read about this man.

http://en.wikipedia....illa_(prisoner)

"But it doesn't matter because he wanted to destroy our country.. and thus lost his constitutional rights."

Typical response you will get by a lot of people here.
Posted Image

#248
The Joker

The Joker

    Let's put a smile on that face.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Posts:
    16,687
  • Joined:
    Jul 2004
  • Location:
    Greenville, SC
  • Cash:
    0
  • High Fives:
    983
History Class today! The lesson plan.... You guessed it. The Bill of Rights.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.



Here's another BIG one....


AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.




Nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it say you lose your Constitutional protections. Not even in cases of treason or insurrection....
Blu-ray Disc Movie Collection: 927
Newest Purchase: Sin City: A Dame To Kill For

Gov. Gary Johnson for President in 2016


"Honor the vision of your founders, and respect the most sublime Constitution devised by human intelligence." - Daniel Hannan - British Member Of Parliament.

#249
nova

nova

    Intergalactic planetary bulldawg!

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • Posts:
    8,777
  • Age:
    31
  • Joined:
    Dec 2009
  • Location:
    Huntsville, AL
  • Cash:
    1,000
  • High Fives:
    4,103

View PostGidnik, on 13 November 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

just saying, every single one of those people are traitors to their country and should be treated accordingly

Traitors?  lolz

The one and only crime defined in the Constitution is treason and asking to leave peacefully is not in that definition.  Levying war against the US, levying to enemies of the US and giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US.  Two witnesses to any of those three actions and treason ye have, otherwise not so much...

#250
Colonel Black Bear

Colonel Black Bear
  • Members
  • PipPip
  • Posts:
    1,705
  • Joined:
    Sep 2012
  • Cash:
    1,000
  • High Fives:
    943

View PostGatorLaw, on 12 November 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Says the person who is fine with arresting and detaining US citizens with warrants or trial.  This goes to show how you will defend what Bush did... even after it was already pointed out to you that it was unconstitutional, but go crazy over anything that Obama does.

The first thing that one learns about the Constitution is that it is to be applied no matter the circumstances.  If you start to pick and chose when to apply it, then it no longer serves it's purpose.  I'm sorry that you can't see that.

Are you okay with taking from the rich and giving to the poor?  Even if the rich have earned it?  Even if the poor have been drug users/lazy?

That's my only question.

#251
The Joker

The Joker

    Let's put a smile on that face.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Posts:
    16,687
  • Joined:
    Jul 2004
  • Location:
    Greenville, SC
  • Cash:
    0
  • High Fives:
    983
Secession?

By Neal Boortz

Yesterday, my dear listeners were all abuzz over the fact that citizens in 20 states are petitioning the federal government to consider their request for secession.  These states are Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina and Tennessee.  If any of these petitions get more than 25,000 signatures by December 7th, the federal government will be required by law to respond.  Apparently Texas has already achieved that goal.

First of all … you can petition the federal government for anything you want.  The Constitution (not that the current administration gives a flying Frisbee about the Constitution) guarantees that right.  Petition for purple fire hydrants if you wish, and see where that gets you.  Just about the same place you will get petitioning for succession.

Actually … I rather like this talk of secession.  It’s not going anywhere, at least not yet, but the more people who sign those petitions the clearer the message to those self-important politicians in Washington that the people out here in the hinterlands are royally pissed and frightened about the future of their country.  Plus .. in my reading of the Constitution I see absolutely NOTHING that speaks against states – and they call them sovereign states for a reason – withdrawing from the union.   I know it’s been tried before, but at some point the preservation of liberty might dictate that it be tried again.  There are a lot of former states of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) that are now thriving while Russia declines into criminal mayhem.

How about this for a book plot.  Slowly at first, but then with increasing speed, those people who believe in self-reliance, property rights, minimal government, economic liberty and the rule of law migrate to some areas of the United States with minimal moocher and parasite populations.  Suddenly the moochers and the parasites find themselves living in places that have been largely abandoned by achievers.  The takers living here looking for jobs that aren’t coming, the makers living over yonder enjoying a relatively parasite-free life.  And on that point, know this … if Romney supporters decided to up and leave for greener pastures out of the reach of Obama’s tax and regulate dreams,  this country would simply not survive.  Conversely, if Obama supporters decided that they wanted to leave America, America would be the better off.  Sounds harsh … but it’s the truth and no matter which side you’re on, you know it to be the truth.  Think about it from an economic standpoint: A country cannot survive without the producers, but it can without the moochers.  Simple as that.

http://www.boortz.co.../13/succession/
Blu-ray Disc Movie Collection: 927
Newest Purchase: Sin City: A Dame To Kill For

Gov. Gary Johnson for President in 2016


"Honor the vision of your founders, and respect the most sublime Constitution devised by human intelligence." - Daniel Hannan - British Member Of Parliament.

#252
The Joker

The Joker

    Let's put a smile on that face.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Posts:
    16,687
  • Joined:
    Jul 2004
  • Location:
    Greenville, SC
  • Cash:
    0
  • High Fives:
    983

View PostColonel Black Bear, on 13 November 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

Are you okay with taking from the rich and giving to the poor?  Even if the rich have earned it?  Even if the poor have been drug users/lazy?

That's my only question.


NO!

The Government uses extortion to redistribute wealth in this nation. Bernie Madoff went to prison for the same thing that the Federal Government does each and every day.  (Social Security)
Blu-ray Disc Movie Collection: 927
Newest Purchase: Sin City: A Dame To Kill For

Gov. Gary Johnson for President in 2016


"Honor the vision of your founders, and respect the most sublime Constitution devised by human intelligence." - Daniel Hannan - British Member Of Parliament.

#253
Colonel Black Bear

Colonel Black Bear
  • Members
  • PipPip
  • Posts:
    1,705
  • Joined:
    Sep 2012
  • Cash:
    1,000
  • High Fives:
    943

View PostGatorLaw, on 13 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

"But it doesn't matter because he wanted to destroy our country.. and thus lost his constitutional rights."

Typical response you will get by a lot of people here.

I really think you would do anything in your power to defend Obama/Liberals.  I think you could care less about the actual state of the country.

#254
GatorLaw

GatorLaw
  • Members
  • PipPip
  • Posts:
    939
  • Joined:
    Sep 2012
  • Cash:
    1,000
  • High Fives:
    233

View PostColonel Black Bear, on 13 November 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

Are you okay with taking from the rich and giving to the poor?  Even if the rich have earned it?  Even if the poor have been drug users/lazy?

That's my only question.

What does that have to do with anything I said?
Posted Image

#255
GatorLaw

GatorLaw
  • Members
  • PipPip
  • Posts:
    939
  • Joined:
    Sep 2012
  • Cash:
    1,000
  • High Fives:
    233

View PostColonel Black Bear, on 13 November 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

I really think you would do anything in your power to defend Obama/Liberals.  I think you could care less about the actual state of the country.

If you think that demanding that the Constitution be followed at all times is defending Obama/Liberals, then I guess you are right.
Posted Image