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[razorhead]

smokeyone, on 07 November 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

Most want no war, free pot and legal prostitution. Most cant explain Ron Pauls idealogy so they just adopt his banner and make it into what they want.

No, most want to stop giving our money away to foreigners and defending people who detest us.  I would like to see that money shore up medicare and social security.  I would like to see my tax money stay here, and eventually be drastically reduced.

The bottom line is, the Republicans sent out a candidate that had no shot at winning.  I didn't expect him to, yet I did vote for him.  He went too far right.

[TheRealBrave]

smokeyone, on 07 November 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Home growns pot is free pot and justified to whos standard?

Home grown pot is free? So I guess every farm or plant grown in america is free...

Justified in, as we were attacked or an attack is indisputably imminent.

[razorhead]

Here's my prediction.  Obama will further run us into the ground.  In 2016 Joe Biden will run and get embarrased.  Hillary will get the nod, but if she couldn't beat Obama she won't beat Christie.  So, a republican gets the white house back, and congress probably shifts again.

[smokeyone]

Or every small herb garden in america provides free herbs to the person that has one. If I buy a product use it but harvest a seed from it and plant it I am getting a free product. I am not paying a tax on it and it generates no revenue nor am I paying for the product. As for the war thing, so you want national security briefings and a vote on intent?  

TheRealBrave, on 07 November 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

Home grown pot is free? So I guess every farm or plant grown in america is free...

Justified in, as we were attacked or an attack is indisputably imminent.

[nova]

Here's the deal, people are in general lazy, if something is legal to buy and sell for the most part they will.  It's not all that hard to make whiskey but at the end of the day more people go buy jack at the liquor store than brew up shine.

And as far as wars go, personally I want much more thoughtful and considerate use of the military and only for the purposes of kicking asses when necessary, not nation building.  We owe it to the people that volunteer to do our dirty work not to engage them in needless wars where we have no business and building countries up for people that despise us.  If we've gotta go kick somebodies ass because they threaten us directly, then do it but let them dig out the hole themselves.

In general, I want the gov't to leave people alone to live their life as they see fit, personally and economically.  Those are not difficult principles.

[Colonel Black Bear]

smokeyone, on 07 November 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Or every small herb garden in america provides free herbs to the person that has one. If I buy a product use it but harvest a seed from it and plant it I am getting a free product. I am not paying a tax on it and it generates no revenue nor am I paying for the product. As for the war thing, so you want national security briefings and a vote on intent?  

No monetary taxes.  But the product from the plant is not free.

[Neo]

smokeyone, on 07 November 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

Most want no war, free pot and legal prostitution. Most cant explain Ron Pauls idealogy so they just adopt his banner and make it into what they want.

Not true at all.

My vision along with Paul's was that we CANNOT AFFORD these wars right now. War should be a last resort when all other avenues have been exhausted.

Even then, war should be declared by Congress and not the stroke of a pen by a sitting president. Getting a declaration by following the Constitution is the only way of making it legal.

[The Doctor]

TheRealBrave, on 07 November 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Free pot, nobody wants that

Speak for yourself, I'd love free pot.

[Herschel Talker]

smokeyone, on 07 November 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

I support my Ga party with time, money and voice. I actively find local people to run in primaries and am working even now to find another challenger to the clerk of courts in my county. I volunteer at 3 local Republican offices and donate seperate money to 3 college repulican groups. What do you do?

What you're doing is called propping up a broken system. It is not helping people or fixing anything.

[Herschel Talker]

Crimson Kicker8, on 07 November 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Here we go again.  The Libertarian crowd thinking they're smarter than the rest of us because they read an article about Libertarianism on Wikipedia.  Typical.

The elephants and jackasses seem to be pretty smart. They've done a standup job with the budget, war on drugs, foreign policy, corruption, the deficit, and the economy.

Oh, wait...

[Crimson Kicker8]

Herschel Talker, on 07 November 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

The elephants and jackasses seem to be pretty smart. They've done a standup job with the budget, war on drugs, foreign policy, corruption, the deficit, and the economy.

Oh, wait...

And you think a loose confederacy of ideas is going to be the answer?  Hardly.

[Herschel Talker]

Crimson Kicker8, on 07 November 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

And you think a loose confederacy of ideas is going to be the answer?  Hardly.

No. Some libertarians are nuts. But no more nutty than current ideas.

Bottom line is that there are a lot of common sense ideas in the camp that are ignored because they wouldn't be popular with the sheep.

[The Doctor]

Crimson Kicker8, on 07 November 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

And you think a loose confederacy of ideas is going to be the answer?  Hardly.

Better than the immovable, unchangeable ideology of the current two parties.

At least a loose confederacy is willing to investigate new ideas as opposed to outright shutting them down.

[smokeyone]

Colonel Black Bear, on 07 November 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

No monetary taxes.  But the product from the plant is not free.

Seeds are an unwanted by product so while you pay for the bag you are not buying the seed.

[nova]

Crimson Kicker8, on 07 November 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

And you think a loose confederacy of ideas is going to be the answer?  Hardly.

Did you not pay attention last night? A "loose confederacy of ideas" is what just beat your ass.  The demographics that Capt. Worthless won last night don't have a whole lot in common other than they're willing to tolerate each other to win.