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[Crimson Kicker8]

Neo, on 13 November 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

Printing money is not unconstitutional. The Federal Reserve printing worthless money that's not backed by gold, silver or any other precious metal is unconstitutional. You do know that the Federal Reserve is NOT a branch of the Federal Government right?

The Federal Reserve is about as "Federal" as Fed Ex.

Don't tell me that, tell your boy that.  "Gold and silver is the only constitutionally allowed legal tender".  55 second mark

https://www.youtube....h?v=z17hBEZpu2E

[smokeyone]

Do you understand the differnce between a controlled semi orderly group of immagrants being proccessed through the system, with their kids learning english and American customs and intergrating intosociety and an invasion with intent to occupy without intergration? The melting pot that made it work has been replaces with cohabitation and accomidation.

I might be less than 10 years older than you but growing up in 4 countrys and 3 differnt regions of the US colored my views. I got to see how others see America and how we see each other before we because the worlds Santa Claus.

nova, on 13 November 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Funny thing, people have said the same thing about every wave of immigrants this country has ever had.  From Irish, to Italians to Chinese and everything in between.  I tend to think we'll do just fine as we always have...

ETA

And like I've been saying.  Things are changing and with the arguments being made, you're not really changing anybody's minds over to your side.

You win on ideas to fix fiscal problems, but you lose bigger when it comes to the social arguments, so you lose in the places it matters.

[smokeyone]

and the immagration arguement is a fiscal one. We cant afford to go at a 47%clip of the population on the government dole and expand it via uncontrolled immagration.

[nova]

smokeyone, on 13 November 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Do you understand the differnce between a controlled semi orderly group of immagrants being proccessed through the system, with their kids learning english and American customs and intergrating intosociety and an invasion with intent to occupy without intergration? The melting pot that made it work has been replaces with cohabitation and accomidation.

I might be less than 10 years older than you but growing up in 4 countrys and 3 differnt regions of the US colored my views. I got to see how others see America and how we see each other before we because the worlds Santa Claus.

What I understand is you're repeating ridiculous shit that was said said about every single group of immigrants that has ever come to this country.  

Back in 1850 you would have made a fine member of the Know-Nothing party bitching about how those "worthless Irish and German catholics just aren't integrating and are taking over."

In 1880 you would have been bitching that American is now a "dumping ground for POS Russians who will just undermine our culture and destroy the melting pot we are."  All of which would be said after watching the previously worthless Irish and German integrate just fine over the course of 30 years.

You talk about it being unrestricted, guess what, the US HAD NO immigration restrictions till 1875 and even then the only restrictions were on prostitutes and convicts.  From then until the Quota Act of 1921, the only real restrictions were on Chinese.

And yet we survived all that, just to have you repeat some of the same asinine arguments, 100 years later...

[nova]

smokeyone, on 13 November 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

and the immagration arguement is a fiscal one. We cant afford to go at a 47%clip of the population on the government dole and expand it via uncontrolled immagration.

That is a GREAT argument....for dialing back the welfare state, not for barring people from doing the exact same things that your ancestors did, namely come here, work and build a life.

[smokeyone]

and if they could or would do it the our ancestors did it this whole discussion wouldnt be needed. But reality is that its not and hasnt been since the 80s. The ideas or oppurtunity that drew my ancestors, or the idea of freedom that drew others has been suplanet but a nanny state that is more about accomadation than earned intregration.

nova, on 13 November 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

That is a GREAT argument....for dialing back the welfare state, not for barring people from doing the exact same things that your ancestors did, namely come here, work and build a life.

[nova]

Then your whole argument boils down to the American dream being dead.  If that's the case, WTF are you fighting for again?

[ForwardRebels]

smokeyone, on 13 November 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

and if they could or would do it the our ancestors did it this whole discussion wouldnt be needed. But reality is that its not and hasnt been since the 80s. The ideas or oppurtunity that drew my ancestors, or the idea of freedom that drew others has been suplanet but a nanny state that is more about accomadation than earned intregration.

Careful now, the Dixiecrat in you is showing.