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Upcoming playoffs.... What happens when?

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(Just because I am bored at work and want to see what more educated college football fans can come up with since my coworkers are looking at me like I am crazy)

Take the four team playoff format and put it into effect this season... (hypothetically) And at the end of the regular season in the SEC you have this...

Alabama 11-1 (loses to Ark)
Arkansas 11-1 (loses to LSU)
LSU 11-1 (loses to Bama)
Georgia 10-2 (loses to SC and FL)
USCe 10-2 (loses to Ark and LSU)

So you have the final BCS rankings deciding the west (For this fun discussion we will say it is Bama since they lost earlier in the season, then beat LSU later in the season that jumps Ark's ranking after losing to LSU) vs USCe (because of the tiebreaker for direct victory over UGA).

Now, say USCe wins the SEC Championship game vs Bama.

So you would have the final polls trying to shuffle around between: (alphabetical order)

Alabama 11-2 (Lost to Ark and too SC in the SEC CG)
Arkansas 11-1   (Lost to LSU but didn't make the SEC CG because of tie breakers)
LSU 11-1 (Lost to Bama but didn't make the SEC CG because of tie breakers)
Oklahoma 11-1   (lost to Texas, with no conference CG)
Oregon 12-1    (Undefeated during the regular season but losing to USCw in the PAC-12 CG)
USCe 11-2   (who lost twice during the regular season to LSU and Ark but are the SEC Champs by beating Bama)
USCw 12-1 (Losing to Oregon during the regular season but beating Oregon in the PAC-12 CG)
Wisconsin 12-1 (losing to Mich St during the regular season but winning the BIG-10 CG)

Even if you automatically eliminated the CG losers... That takes Bama, and Oregon out of the equation. So you are still left with six teams for the four spots:

Ark
LSU
OU
USCe
USCw
Wisconsin

Four team playoff doesn't solve this... And sadly what would probably happen is they would throw in the conference champions only (OU, USCe, USCw, and Wisconsin) so they don't have to deal with the dominance of the SEC.

But, I want to know whatcha got for this scenario SECTalk?

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View Posthog_heaven, on 03 August 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

(Just because I am bored at work and want to see what more educated college football fans can come up with since my coworkers are looking at me like I am crazy)

Take the four team playoff format and put it into effect this season... (hypothetically) And at the end of the regular season in the SEC you have this...

Alabama 11-1 (loses to Ark)
Arkansas 11-1 (loses to LSU)
LSU 11-1 (loses to Bama)
Georgia 10-2 (loses to SC and FL)
USCe 10-2 (loses to Ark and LSU)

So you have the final BCS rankings deciding the west (For this fun discussion we will say it is Bama since they lost earlier in the season, then beat LSU later in the season that jumps Ark's ranking after losing to LSU) vs USCe (because of the tiebreaker for direct victory over UGA).

Now, say USCe wins the SEC Championship game vs Bama.

So you would have the final polls trying to shuffle around between: (alphabetical order)

Alabama 11-2 (Lost to Ark and too SC in the SEC CG)
Arkansas 11-1   (Lost to LSU but didn't make the SEC CG because of tie breakers)
LSU 11-1 (Lost to Bama but didn't make the SEC CG because of tie breakers)
Oklahoma 11-1   (lost to Texas, with no conference CG)
Oregon 12-1    (Undefeated during the regular season but losing to USCw in the PAC-12 CG)
USCe 11-2   (who lost twice during the regular season to LSU and Ark but are the SEC Champs by beating Bama)
USCw 12-1 (Losing to Oregon during the regular season but beating Oregon in the PAC-12 CG)
Wisconsin 12-1 (losing to Mich St during the regular season but winning the BIG-10 CG)

Even if you automatically eliminated the CG losers... That takes Bama, and Oregon out of the equation. So you are still left with six teams for the four spots:

Ark
LSU
OU
USCe
USCw
Wisconsin

Four team playoff doesn't solve this... And sadly what would probably happen is they would throw in the conference champions only (OU, USCe, USCw, and Wisconsin) so they don't have to deal with the dominance of the SEC.

But, I want to know whatcha got for this scenario SECTalk?
I think that in this scenario it would go to LSU, OU, USCw, and Wisconsin. I don't think that you would be able to send USCe to the four team playoff with 2 losses and that many 1 loss teams. I think you would have to include all of the conference champions with 1 loss and then have LSU in there. It was between LSU and Arkansas for me but LSU won the head to head so I gave it to them. However I don't think there is going to be this many teams with 1 loss seasons and I ceretainly don't think Arkansas will be 1 loss.
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Honestly, they need to go to an 8 playoff team system.

We've established that there has to be a playoff, how about one that isn't half assed.

Say
Georgia is 13-0
Michigan is 12-1(loss to 9-2 Wisconsin)
USC is 12-1(Loss to 9-2 Stanford)
Texas is 11-1(Loss to 9-2 Oklahoma)
Florida is 11-1(Loss to 13-0 UGA)

Should Florida be left out because they lost to the best team just because that other team is already there or their conference is already represented?
In that situation, Florida has the best loss and similar records to the other teams.

 bmccall, on 17 July 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

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13-0 Georgia?  Does your elevator run all the way to the top?

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View PostDawgy_Style, on 04 August 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

Honestly, they need to go to an 8 playoff team system.

We've established that there has to be a playoff, how about one that isn't half assed.

Say
Georgia is 13-0
Michigan is 12-1(loss to 9-2 Wisconsin)
USC is 12-1(Loss to 9-2 Stanford)
Texas is 11-1(Loss to 9-2 Oklahoma)
Florida is 11-1(Loss to 13-0 UGA)

Should Florida be left out because they lost to the best team just because that other team is already there or their conference is already represented?
In that situation, Florida has the best loss and similar records to the other teams.
Your scenario with Georgia and Florida is exactly the same as Bama and LSU last year. I also think that the same thing that happened last year would happen again. I think in that scenario you would have to leave off Texas. I think that we will go to an 8 team playoff before this current 4 team playoff contract is up.
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View PostKneesInTheBreeze, on 04 August 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

13-0 Georgia?  Does your elevator run all the way to the top?

Are you really going to argue about fictional future records?

Just be glad I complemented Flawda, I don't think there is a chance in hell they go 11-1 in the near future.

 bmccall, on 17 July 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

Our phenominal fan base and support is our tradition. Unfortunately winning isnt.

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How can arky lsu and bama be 11-1 when they play each other?
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View PostFlyingEagle, on 04 August 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

How can arky lsu and bama be 11-1 when they play each other?

LSU loses to Arkansas, Arkansas loses to Alabama, Alabama loses to LSU?

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View PostFlyingEagle, on 04 August 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

How can arky lsu and bama be 11-1 when they play each other?
r u serios?
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View PostFlyingEagle, on 04 August 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

How can arky lsu and bama be 11-1 when they play each other?
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View Posthog_heaven, on 03 August 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

(Just because I am bored at work and want to see what more educated college football fans can come up with since my coworkers are looking at me like I am crazy)

Take the four team playoff format and put it into effect this season... (hypothetically) And at the end of the regular season in the SEC you have this...

Alabama 11-1 (loses to Ark)
Arkansas 11-1 (loses to LSU)
LSU 11-1 (loses to Bama)
Georgia 10-2 (loses to SC and FL)
USCe 10-2 (loses to Ark and LSU)

So you have the final BCS rankings deciding the west (For this fun discussion we will say it is Bama since they lost earlier in the season, then beat LSU later in the season that jumps Ark's ranking after losing to LSU) vs USCe (because of the tiebreaker for direct victory over UGA).

Now, say USCe wins the SEC Championship game vs Bama.

So you would have the final polls trying to shuffle around between: (alphabetical order)

Alabama 11-2 (Lost to Ark and too SC in the SEC CG)
Arkansas 11-1   (Lost to LSU but didn't make the SEC CG because of tie breakers)
LSU 11-1 (Lost to Bama but didn't make the SEC CG because of tie breakers)
Oklahoma 11-1   (lost to Texas, with no conference CG)
Oregon 12-1    (Undefeated during the regular season but losing to USCw in the PAC-12 CG)
USCe 11-2   (who lost twice during the regular season to LSU and Ark but are the SEC Champs by beating Bama)
USCw 12-1 (Losing to Oregon during the regular season but beating Oregon in the PAC-12 CG)
Wisconsin 12-1 (losing to Mich St during the regular season but winning the BIG-10 CG)

Even if you automatically eliminated the CG losers... That takes Bama, and Oregon out of the equation. So you are still left with six teams for the four spots:

Ark
LSU
OU
USCe
USCw
Wisconsin

Four team playoff doesn't solve this... And sadly what would probably happen is they would throw in the conference champions only (OU, USCe, USCw, and Wisconsin) so they don't have to deal with the dominance of the SEC.

But, I want to know whatcha got for this scenario SECTalk?

That's an interesting scenario.... and the perfect storm to cock block the SEC... you certainly put a lot of thought into it. Not at all out of the realm of possibility.

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gene stallings has it right. win your games and the nc will take care of itself. damn second chance generation is going to turn college football into we don't keep score soccer. as it is this year and previous years every weekend of college football is like the first weekend of the basketball tourny. how much more fun can you get for 14 weeks?
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View PostMizzou_Fan, on 04 August 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

I think that in this scenario it would go to LSU, OU, USCw, and Wisconsin. I don't think that you would be able to send USCe to the four team playoff with 2 losses and that many 1 loss teams. I think you would have to include all of the conference champions with 1 loss and then have LSU in there. It was between LSU and Arkansas for me but LSU won the head to head so I gave it to them. However I don't think there is going to be this many teams with 1 loss seasons and I ceretainly don't think Arkansas will be 1 loss.

This was just an example of what could happen? I am not saying Arkansas will only have 1 loss. Honestly, this is what I predicted for them this year, but that has nothing to do with this thread. It is just a hypothetical situation.

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View PostGidnik, on 04 August 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

r u serios?

View PostBenny, on 04 August 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:


LSU loses to Arkansas, Arkansas loses to Alabama, Alabama loses to LSU?

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I think they'd probably take SC in that scenario, just to show that they really are putting an emphasis on winning your conference. It would be a huge clusterPosted Image in that scenario, but I'm not sure the SEC could really argue for a 2nd team. The only decent case would be to leave oklahoma out and put in a 2nd SEC team. I don't think the big 12 will be very good, and they don't have a CCG. But I don't see them doing that because lots of people still feel like they screwed ok. st. last season, so they aren't going to follow that up by leaving out a 1 loss conference champion again.

And if we wait to apply it when the playoff takes effect the big 12 will probably have a CCG by then so it won't matter.