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[smokeyone]

Matt, on 22 March 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Its only about 10% now that gas is up.  Its way too low as it fails to pay for infrastructure maintenance let alone new construction.

I seemed have missed where privately owned companies are obligated to directly pay for public use facilities. Maybe you would be willing to explain why that is a good idea to me.

[smokeyone]

zartan, on 22 March 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Unemployment numbers are kinda important to politicians

Obama must love them.

[StallingsBaldSpot]

Matt, on 22 March 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

and what would you drive on?

Privatize that shit. Sure, tolls suck. But what else sucks? Paying for roads that you never use.

[StallingsBaldSpot]

zartan, on 22 March 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Unemployment numbers are kinda important to politicians

Oh I know why they did it. Still doesn't make it right. Does this mean the govt is now going to bail out every failing business? Nah, just the ones with a lot of workers bc it'll keep unemployment down.

[L.A.Hog]

I'm not necessarily for bailing out companies,but the dominoe effect of a failed auto industry could have been pretty catastophic.Especially with the ecomomy being as fragile as it was at that point.

[Tator]

Why would anyone vote for any candidate on the political buffet of turds currently being offered? "Excuse me sir, would you like me to shoot you in the liver or hit you in the face with a prius?" "Oh, I'll take the shot to the liver for $500 Alex..."

It's ridiculous.

Most everyone who votes has some level of common sense...until they go to vote. At that point, they might as well be wearing helmets and licking the windows on the short bus...

Hmmm, I'm gonna vote for the asshole who ed everything up last time because he is black, or has an "R" behind his name, or he's a "good christian", or because he'll give me other people's money....

I've said it before, but I'll say it again....not everyone should be allowed to vote.

[Matt]

smokeyone, on 22 March 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

I seemed have missed where privately owned companies are obligated to directly pay for public use facilities. Maybe you would be willing to explain why that is a good idea to me.

What are you talking about?  You pay the gas tax directly when you buy gas.

[BlackSheep 171]

vandyfan84, on 22 March 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

If a company makes bad business decisions and does not have a good business plan...then absolutely they deserve to go bankrupt. The auto industry shouldn't have been bailed out just like the banking industry. It's capitalism. Te strong survive and the weak fail.

Forgive me for not wanton to use tax payer money to bail out an industry deemed "too big to fail."

What a crock of bullshit

Agreed. Its not always the end when a company the size of GM goes bankrupt. The govt saved them and they still almost went bankrupt. Its not bad because they can file for protections, rework their plans, and start making good automobiles again.

[A10Rebel]

Harley Davidson took 2.3 billion from the Fed at the end of 2008 for the record and the Fed's Commercial Paper Funding Facility also disbursed $26.8 billion to Ford, Toyota, and BMW.

Also this isn't a first for the wonders in Washington: "A series of government rescues occurred in the 1970s and 1980s‚ the most highly touted of which was the the 1979 bailout of the nation’s tenth largest company‚ the Chrysler Corporation. The Carter Administration arranged $1.2 billion in subsidized loans for the automaker and netted the government a profit when Chrysler paid off its obligations."

[dcbl]

Didn't it used to be that only landowners could vote?

If I am not mistaken, the original requirements were: free, white, 21 and own land.

I'd be good with going back to that (except for the caucasian caveat)

At a minimum, one should AT LEAST have to be an actual tax-payer to vote...

[StallingsBaldSpot]

dcbl, on 22 March 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

Didn't it used to be that only landowners could vote?

If I am not mistaken, the original requirements were: free, white, 21 and own land.

I'd be good with going back to that (except for the caucasian caveat)

At a minimum, one should AT LEAST have to be an actual tax-payer to vote...

Land owner wouldn't work. There are a lot of hard working, good people is very densely populate areas like NYC and Chicago that just can't afford land.

By your requirements, I couldn't vote because I don't own land. Not that I couldn't, I just don't want to set roots in Las Vegas.

[dcbl]

vandyfan84, on 22 March 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Land owner wouldn't work. There are a lot of hard working, good people is very densely populate areas like NYC and Chicago that just can't afford land.

By your requirements, I couldn't vote because I don't own land. Not that I couldn't, I just don't want to set roots in Las Vegas.

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At a minimum, one should AT LEAST have to be an actual tax-payer to vote...

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[StallingsBaldSpot]

^^^^^^^

I will agree with that.

[dcbl]

more good stuff:

Why I Am A Democrat

[To commemorate the DNC in Boston, here's a moldy oldie that first appeared at CNSNews in 2000.]

I sometimes hear the question, "Why are you a Democrat?" and frankly, I have to laugh. Laugh and laugh, because perhaps this person may tire of my laughing, and he will eventually wander off. Sometimes I ponder seriously when I hear this question, because I'll look around and around and there's nobody there asking the question. Why am I a Democrat?

I am a Democrat because I believe everyone deserves a chance. And if necessary, a second chance. And if, by the eighth or ninth chance, this guy needs another chance, I mean, come on. This guy is due.

I am a Democrat because I believe in helping those in need. All of us, you and I, have an obligation to those less fortunate. You go first, okay? I'm a little short this week.

I am a Democrat because I believe in the equality of all people, regardless of their race. That is why I think we should give free medical degrees to minorities because, well, duh. Like any of those types are going to make it through medical school.

I am a Democrat because I fervently believe in tolerance. Tolerance is critical in our diverse society, and if you have a problem with that, mister, then I will inform the authorities and I bet that after a few hours in their "special room" you too will agree that tolerance is critical.

I am a Democrat because I believe that we should take our noses out of other people's bedrooms. I say we move the noses to their banks and storage sheds and scout troops, and so forth.

I am a Democrat because I hold sacred freedom of the press, as well as freedom of the TV and freedom of the movie. Where I draw the line is freedom of the talk radio, and don't even get me started about that damn Internet business.

I am a Democrat because I recognize that education is important. Very, very, extremely very important. We must increase spending on education and enact important education reforms, such as eliminating standardized tests. Because we can never hope to measure this beautiful, elusive, important thing we call education.

I am a Democrat because I believe in the separation of church and state. We must stop the religious extremists who want school-sanctioned prayers. Now, you tell me - with all that chanting and praying and incense-burning going on, how can our kids concentrate on the big condom-and-banana midterm?

I am a Democrat because I believe in the rights of women, be they lawyers or housewives or skanky interns. For too long women have been the victims of discrimination, and we must target programs to help these women, and also the various people who have descended from women.

I am a Democrat because I believe in women's right to choose. I mean, not a church school or a tax shelter, or something like that, obviously. Let's be reasonable.

I am a Democrat because I believe in the rule of law. Or, at least, lawyers. Because hey, according to my attorney, I could have been on the Number 7 bus when it crashed yesterday. As far as you know.

I am a Democrat because I believe a healthy economy depends on good jobs at good wages. So fork 'em over, you fat bastard boss man.

I am a Democrat because I believe the government should step in to create good jobs when that fat bastard boss man moves my good job to Mexico. Hey, I know! Maybe we can take all the money that boss man spends on non-job-creating stuff, like solid gold yachts and mink spats, and use that money to create jobs.

I am a Democrat because I fear the power of giant unrestrained monopolies, such as Microsoft, Nike, Parker Brothers, Univac and the Erie Canal Company. The government must wage an unrelenting, all-out war to crush these scary monopolies to a pulp before they get too powerful.

I am a Democrat because I believe in a strong military. Strong, yes, but caring and thoughtful too, and ready to face new challenges. A military that enjoys long strolls on the beach, cuddling in front of a warm fire, unafraid to show its vulnerable side. Must be NS/DDF.

I am a Democrat because I believe there is too much violence in society, especially in our schools. To avoid another Columbine tragedy, we should have mellow "rap" sessions with at-risk teens, such as the Goths. The violence will only end after the teen Goths see that we adults really care, and are "hip" to their groovy teen Goth scene.

I am a Democrat because I believe in campaign finance reform. Sadly, our politics are dominated by advertisements, paid for by the contributions of giant corporations. All too often, these drown out legitimate grassroots opinions, like the kind heard on TimeWarner-AOL-CNN, TimesCorp, or Disney-ABC.

I am a Democrat because I believe in public support of the arts. By "the arts," I of course mean those things made by, or excreted by, an artist of some sort. It is especially important that art be provocative and take controversial stances, like opposing Jesse Helms, and so on.

I am a Democrat because I believe in the environment and conservation. For instance, we must raise the price of gasoline, like they do in Europe, to increase conservation. If we don't, there will soon be a big gas shortage, and this will mean higher gasoline prices for you and me.

I am a Democrat because I detest greed. Especially the sickening greed of those who struck it rich in the 1980s, and greedily refuse to give me any of their stuff.

I am a Democrat because I... hey look! A new episode of Survivor! Geez, I hope they don't vote off Jenna, she's my favorite.

[The Doctor]

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I'm a Republican Because...

I BELIEVE the strength of our nation lies in military might and God's help, as long as we do His Will and make this a Christian nation while supporting Israel until the day Israel is destroyed and Jesus returns.

I BELIEVE that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored unless we can encroach on these in the name of safety or other short-term excuse that the idiot populace will accept.

I BELIEVE in special rights and justice for Republican politicians, Christian leaders, the extremely wealthy and lobbyists, regardless of cause as long as the money is right.

I BELIEVE in equal justice and equal opportunity for everyone else, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability, unless we're talking about lazy black people, illegal Mexican people, uneducated women, homosexuals, or, if justice and opportunity for disabled people costs businesses money.

I BELIEVE large corporate profits, stock market wealth and protection of monopolies will bring this nation opportunity, economic growth and increased prosperity for the upper one percent of incomes.

I BELIEVE government should talk about fiscal responsibility and allowing individuals to keep more of the money they earn, but should actually borrow and spend recklessly and place the full burden of taxes on those with lower and lower incomes and future generations for short term gain. Any taxes on the rich are socialism.

I BELIEVE the proper role of government is to advance Christian evangelical morals through tax code, control of education, judicial appointments, privatization and the proper Christian philosophies of wealth and warfare.

I BELIEVE the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government run by those who know best, and all means necessary must be used to work against poll access by the lowly, the lazy, the stupid and the poor.

I BELIEVE the Republican Party was founded by America's founding fathers to fight Roe vs. Wade, to protect "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance they wrote, to put "Under God" on our money, and to keep the Ten Commandments in our Courtrooms and government buildings.

I BELIEVE that we must never speak to our enemies, unless they're very big enemies with money and cheap labor agreements.

I BELIEVE in free trade with lower nations that provide cheap labor and higher profits and any attempt to induce labor or environmental equality on these nations is liberalism.

I BELIEVE you're either with us or you're with the terrorists. If you do not have the same beliefs we do, you are un-American and worthy of derision, abuse, vandalism, placement on no-fly lists and investigation.

I BELIEVE anyone labeled "liberal" is a socialist, which is actually communist, which is actually Marxist, which means evil.

I BELIEVE abortion must be made illegal, but stopping extramarital and teen sex is more important than reducing abortion rates, so I support abstinence-only education, blocking of access to birth control by teens, and punishing poor people for being lazy by blocking access to health care to those women who want to keep their babies.

I BELIEVE Americans must retain only those principles that we consider important while developing new and innovative ideas for bringing power to a Republican executive branch and reducing the power of the annoying Congress and the activist Courts.

I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights to good Americans only, and to create international opportunities throughout the world to develop inexpensive manufacturing for American companies.

FINALLY, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government, and I believe we must use any means necessary, including lies, smears, voter suppression, federal police, the Secret Service, warrantless spying, even the destruction of lives and reputations, to progress our God-endorsed agenda.

Edited by rebelfan91, 22 March 2012 - 06:05 PM.