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[SECats]

You can be an athiest but "do good" just like a Christian can "do bad".  The difference is AFTER death.

[ForwardRebels]

shamoan, on 21 February 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

I don't believe in atheists.

Bravo good Sir! What you did there, I see it.

But come on Shamoan, to play off the OP's question, which atheists do you trust the least? Positive Atheists? Negative/Weak Position Atheists? Broad Atheists? Narrow Atheists? Evangelical Atheists (I'm sure that someone will inquire as to wtf that is, and I will explain later on, but it should be common sense )?

[bijoukaiba]

http://www1.umn.edu/...E_MIG_2816.html

There was a similar study conducted by the University of Minnesota in 2006, where the survey said "I find this group of Americans to be the most untrustworthy..." and some of the answers included blacks, Jews, Hispanics, immigrants, homosexuals, Muslims, and atheists. Atheists were the most often voted as 'untrustworthy'. If I remember correctly, Muslims ranked 2nd and homosexuals ranked 3rd.

[Haymaker]

funny thing is, I know a man who is a property manager of homes and he has office policy that specifically states he will not represent nor rent to car salesmen, cops, attorneys or preachers

[ElephanTideis]

FCN!dawg, on 21 February 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

4. I'll not lie, I've said it once and I'll say it again, I fail to see how the purposeful suspension of reason within one's mind is something to be celebrated.

5. Regarding ElephanTideis comment, "I can see where religous people would have questions about atheists because of a lack of religous convictions (meaning they do not fear the eternal consequences of their actions)" : I don't quite understand you here man. Are you saying it is a must in life to have a supervisor in your life all the time? You think it's weird that we don't believe in some invisible sky daddy always looking over our shoulder? If so, please consider it from the other point (Atheist) of view.

In response to 4, I fail to see how thinking this universe happened by chance is reasonable. How can you look around and see trees that give us oxygen, the complexity of the human body, the sun that provides light and heat, and conclude that it happened because of a random explosion that came from nothing?

In response to 5, I don't really know how else to say it. None of what you said is what I meant. What I mean is you guys don't believe in Hell so if you wanted to commit some sort of crime the only thing holding you back would be the earthly consequences. I am not saying atheists would want to commit crimes so please don't read that. I hope I made this clear and you don't find a way to twist my words into something else again.

TheRealBrave, on 21 February 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

Wow, this is the most hilariously stupid and poorly thought out "study" I have ever read. The title of this thread is - remarkably - even dumber. The title of the study and topic should be "Christians find atheists as trustworthy as rapists". If you have to fear eternal damnation to have any moral value, you're a terrible human being.

That was the title of the article, Einstein. And by the way, it didn't specify christians as finding atheists as trustworthy as rapists.

Edited by ElephanTideis, 21 February 2012 - 04:06 PM.

[Herschel Talker]

There's a lot of mutual respect lacking in general between atheists and Christians

[TheRealBrave]

ElephanTideis, on 21 February 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

In response to 4, I fail to see how thinking this universe happened by chance is reasonable. How can you look around and see trees that give us oxygen, the complexity of the human body, the sun that provides light and heat, and conclude that it happened because of a random explosion that came from nothing?

In response to 5, I don't really know how else to say it. None of what you said is what I meant. What I mean is you guys don't believe in Hell so if you wanted to commit some sort of crime the only thing holding you back would be the earthly consequences. I am not saying atheists would want to commit crimes so please don't read that. I hope I made this clear and you don't find a way to twist my words into something else again.



That was the title of the article, Einstein. And by the way, it didn't specify christians as finding atheists as trustworthy as rapists.

Well gee, considering the vast majority of the United States' population would identify themselves as Christians - where the 300 people were surveyed one would assume that also makes up the vast bulk of the population surveyed. "Earthly consequences" see, that's the difference between us I guess - I elect to not do bad things because of my moral views - not the consequences of my actions. I don't have to be strong armed into being a good person.

Edited by TheRealBrave, 21 February 2012 - 04:34 PM.

[cocky4ever]

I see a lot of atheists posting in this thread, but I'm not sure how much I can trust what they're saying.

[ElephanTideis]

TheRealBrave, on 21 February 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Well gee, considering the vast majority of the United States' population would identify themselves as Christians - where the 300 people were surveyed one would assume that also makes up the vast bulk of the population surveyed. "Earthly consequences" see, that's the difference between us I guess - I elect to not do bad things because of my moral views - not the consequences of my actions. I don't have to be strong armed into being a good person.

I'm not sure it matters where the survey took place. Do you think people of other religons would provide different results?

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"Earthly consequences" see, that's the difference between us I guess - I elect to not do bad things because of my moral views - not the consequences of my actions. I don't have to be strong armed into being a good person.

Not sure what I said to deserve that one.

[ElephanTideis]

I am sorry if I offended anyone with this thread. I was only relaying the article so we could discuss it. I did not realize I would offend anyone with anything I said. In the OP, I was only trying to provide the point of view of the people surveyed, not my own. I really didn't mean for it to get this heated.

Edited by ElephanTideis, 21 February 2012 - 05:11 PM.

[zartan]

ElephanTideis, on 21 February 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

I am sorry if I offended anyone with this thread. I was only relaying the article so we could discuss it. I did not realize I would offend anyone with anything I said. In the OP, I was only trying to provide the point of view of the people surveyed, not my own. I really didn't mean for it to get this heated.

I can't speak for everyone, but it was clear to me your intention was not to offend

[TheRealBrave]

ElephanTideis, on 21 February 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

I'm not sure it matters where the survey took place. Do you think people of other religons would provide different results?




Not sure what I said to deserve that one.

Most definitely.

[TigerWalk]

ElephanTideis, on 21 February 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

. I really didn't mean for it to get this heated.

Any religious discussion on the internet is almost guaranteed to get heated. Throw in an article like this and you're going to get a  5 alarm fire.

[Haymaker]

ElephanTideis, on 21 February 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

I am sorry if I offended anyone with this thread. I was only relaying the article so we could discuss it. I did not realize I would offend anyone with anything I said. In the OP, I was only trying to provide the point of view of the people surveyed, not my own. I really didn't mean for it to get this heated.

it was a fair post........you have nothing to be sorry about

[bmccall]

Benny, on 21 February 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

Study: Way less atheists in jail than theists

Response			  Number	  %
----------------------------  --------
Catholic			   29267   39.164%
Protestant			 26162   35.008%
Muslim				  5435	7.273%
American Indian		 2408	3.222%
Nation				  1734	2.320%
Rasta				   1485	1.987%
Jewish				  1325	1.773%
Church of Christ		1303	1.744%
Pentecostal			 1093	1.463%
Moorish				 1066	1.426%
Buddhist				 882	1.180%
Jehovah Witness		  665	0.890%
Adventist				621	0.831%
Orthodox				 375	0.502%
Mormon				   298	0.399%
Scientology			  190	0.254%
Atheist				  156	0.209%   *****
Hindu					119	0.159%
Santeria				 117	0.157%
Sikh					  14	0.019%
Bahai					  9	0.012%
Krishna					7	0.009%
----------------------------  --------
Total Known Responses  74731  100.001% (rounding to 3 digits does this)
Unknown/No Answer	  18381
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Total Convicted		93112  80.259% (74731) prisoners' religion is known.
Held in Custody		 3856  (not surveyed due to temporary custody)
----------------------------
Total In Prisons	   96968

Once you are spending many years or life in prison, lots of people turns to God when times are bad or at least thats what they'd say. How many of them are true to God and feel his love are how you act when you are out of prison or your bad situation. Most people (not all) turn to God or at least say they do when they have no other options of forgiveness and condolence (sp?)

You would find the same results in a terminal illness facility. People can say what that they are one way or another depending on the day or the situation they are in. Whether or not they really are.... no one can survey that.

Edited by bmccall, 21 February 2012 - 06:21 PM.