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[PaperShaker]

zartan said:

in order:

1. both
2. their CEOs
3. the drive for profits leads to low wages and benefits and outsourcing

In order.
1. Liberal designed, liberal driven. Don't complain about the bailouts that your people gave.
2. Wrong, they are President Obama and NBC's little pet. They work for President Obama.
3. Okay, then lets see how much computers cost if every one is assembled by hand. Same thing if you have to drill for your own oil, make your own car, weave your own clothes, etc... the "big business" argument is among the most stupid, and for a liberal that's quite a feat.

[NextYearIsHere]

PaperShaker said:

Hey NYIH, instead of another bleeding heart rant, why not name a plan? It's because you pretend to be all intelligent and high-and-mighty, but you obviously have no knowledge in the field of economics or you would name a plan. I hope you like it in Korea and plan on staying there indefinitely, because that's one less marxist killing capitalism and the American dream here at home.

Name the liberal plan...

First off, you clearly can't read the location bar under my photo. They don't even have any good Korean restaurants in Charleston. 2nd, Marxist? LOL. 3rd, "The liberal plan" is not the current administration. I am a liberal. Obama is a Democrat. And a fairly moderate one at that. He's got most of us "Bleeding hearts" pissed at him for how moderate and accommodating to the republicans he has been.

If you want the "Liberal plan", then speaking as a liberal, it would be a return to Clinton era taxes on the wealth (an increase of 3% on the richest Americans). Obama used to talk about that before he caved to the GOP and extended the Bush Tax Cuts.

Now if you want the "Democrat's Plan" (because remember smart guy, one is an ideology and one is a party) then that has been for Obama to offer the republicans everything they want only to have them reject it to get him to give them more. But I guess we really need to keep those private jet tax loopholes because closing a loophole is really just raising taxes on the "job creators"

Edited by NextYearIsHere, 24 July 2011 - 11:00 PM.

[PaperShaker]

NextYearIsHere said:

First off, you clearly can't read the location bar under my photo. They don't even have any good Korea restaurants in Charleston. 2nd, Marxist? LOL. 3rd, "The liberal plan" is not the current administration. I am a liberal. Obama is a Democrat. And a fairly moderate one at that. He's got most of us "Bleeding hearts" pissed at him for how moderate and accommodating to the republicans he has been.

If you want the "Liberal plan", then speaking as a liberal, it would be a return to Clinton era taxes on the wealth (an increase of 3% on the richest Americans). Obama used to talk about that before he caved to the GOP and extended the Bush Tax Cuts.

Now if you want the "Democrat's Plan" (because remember smart guy, one is an ideology and one is a party) then that has been for Obama to offer the republicans everything they want only to have them reject it to get him to give them more. But I guess we really need to keep those private jet tax loopholes because closing a loophole is really just raising taxes on the "job creators"

What has he offered? Name one thing he has agreed to... he won't agree to cuts or budgeting from Republicans. He won't agree to anything. He is

[zartan]

PaperShaker said:

No, Obama has no plan to make significant cuts. We are adding 1.5 trillion to the debt every year and Obama wants to cut 1.3 trillion over TEN YEARS? WTF will that accomplish? Once again, we are the only ones with a plan and you have yet to name one since you know everything... the American people have time and again showed that they oppose universal healthcare, and 70 percent were saying no at the time that Congress signed the Obamacare bill.
Revenue? There is nowhere near enough revenue, even if you close every "loophole" to cover the current deficit.

fair enough, but the GOP has no real solution either. when confronted with a deficit this large, any plan that does not call for raising revenues (yes that's right, TAXES. i'm not afraid to say it) is not a serious solution. you can't close this deficit by cuts alone. the only thing the GOP is doing is using the crisis to try to smite poor people.

[PaperShaker]

Smite poor people? You are a joke.
Secondly, what is wrong with a plan that raises the debt ceiling to avoid default, cuts taxes, opens up drilling in the U.S, has a balanced budget amendment, and I will even concede to close tax loopholes for companies. Will that not work?

[zartan]

PaperShaker said:

In order.
1. Liberal designed, liberal driven. Don't complain about the bailouts that your people gave.
2. Wrong, they are President Obama and NBC's little pet. They work for President Obama.
3. Okay, then lets see how much computers cost if every one is assembled by hand. Same thing if you have to drill for your own oil, make your own car, weave your own clothes, etc... the "big business" argument is among the most stupid, and for a liberal that's quite a feat.

1. hmm...who was it that signed off on TARP? i think it was 'the decider'.
2. um, OK buddy. whatever gets you through the night.
3. so your solution is that we should outsource them to India? great plan.

[ForwardRebels]

You know, both parties should be ashamed of themselves for this fiasco.

Please note this, PS, as you are a Poly Sci major as well.
1. It is interesting to note that the Republicans under Shrub the Lesser (43) raised the debt ceiling 5 times. Here is a timeline:

At the beginning of the Bush presidency, the United States debt limit was $5.95 trillion. Despite promises that he would pay off the debt in 10 years, Bush increased the debt to $9.815 trillion by the end of his term, with plenty of help from the four Republicans currently holding Congressional leadership positions: Speaker John Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl. Here is a breakdown of the five debt limit increases that took place during the Shrub the Lesser presidency and how the four Republican leaders voted:

-June 2002: Congress approves a $450 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $6.4 trillion. McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor vote “yea”, Kyl votes “nay.”

-May 2003: Congress approves a $900 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $7.384 trillion. All four approve.

-November 2004: Congress approves an $800 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.1 trillion. All four approve.

-March 2006: Congress approves a $781 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.965 trillion. All four approve.

-September 2007: Congress approves an $850 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $9.815 trillion. All four approve.

Database searches revealed no demands from the four legislators that debt increases come accompanied by drastic spending cuts, as there are now. In fact, the May 2003 debt limit increase passed the Senate the same day as the $350 billion Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

2. Democrats are no less guilty than the Republicans. We go from $9.815 trillion to $14.3 in a matter of 4 years. That is horrific by any sane person.

3. It is interesting to also note that the Democrats in power (Reid, Piglosi, etc) that now want to raise the ceiling, including B.H. Obama, all voted against raising the ceiling in each of these years that the Repubs lifted the ceiling. The hypocrisy is staggering.

4. Conclusion: This is all political theatrics, and if those sons of bitches don't get their acts together very soon, we are all going to experience socialism, as in we are all going to pay the price for not raising the ceiling.

[PaperShaker]

zartan said:

1. hmm...who was it that signed off on TARP? i think it was 'the decider'.
2. um, OK buddy. whatever gets you through the night.
3. so your solution is that we should outsource them to India? great plan.

Outsource to India? I will bet you a lifetime ban you can't quote me saying that.

[zartan]

PaperShaker said:

Smite poor people? You are a joke.
Secondly, what is wrong with a plan that raises the debt ceiling to avoid default, cuts taxes, opens up drilling in the U.S, has a balanced budget amendment, and I will even concede to close tax loopholes for companies. Will that not work?

you're compromising more than the GOP would. Obama is spineless, i'm sure he'd sign off on that^.

[zartan]

PaperShaker said:

Outsource to India? I will bet you a lifetime ban you can't quote me saying that.

no, i'm not saying you actually said that. i'm proposing to you that unrestricted capitalism leads to an never-ending quest for profits that leads to outsourcing. you argue with me on this, so i'm guessing you must be in favor of outsourcing.

[PaperShaker]

TheNotoriousFCN!dawgfan said:

You know, both parties should be ashamed of themselves for this fiasco.

Please note this, PS, as you are a Poly Sci major as well.
1. It is interesting to note that the Republicans under Shrub the Lesser (43) raised the debt ceiling 5 times. Here is a timeline:

At the beginning of the Bush presidency, the United States debt limit was $5.95 trillion. Despite promises that he would pay off the debt in 10 years, Bush increased the debt to $9.815 trillion by the end of his term, with plenty of help from the four Republicans currently holding Congressional leadership positions: Speaker John Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl. Here is a breakdown of the five debt limit increases that took place during the Shrub the Lesser presidency and how the four Republican leaders voted:

-June 2002: Congress approves a $450 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $6.4 trillion. McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor vote “yea”, Kyl votes “nay.”

-May 2003: Congress approves a $900 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $7.384 trillion. All four approve.

-November 2004: Congress approves an $800 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.1 trillion. All four approve.

-March 2006: Congress approves a $781 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.965 trillion. All four approve.

-September 2007: Congress approves an $850 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $9.815 trillion. All four approve.

Database searches revealed no demands from the four legislators that debt increases come accompanied by drastic spending cuts, as there are now. In fact, the May 2003 debt limit increase passed the Senate the same day as the $350 billion Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

2. Democrats are no less guilty than the Republicans. We go from $9.815 trillion to $14.3 in a matter of 4 years. That is horrific by any sane person.

3. It is interesting to also note that the Democrats in power (Reid, Piglosi, etc) that now want to raise the ceiling, including B.H. Obama, all voted against raising the ceiling in each of these years that the Repubs lifted the ceiling. The hypocrisy is staggering.

4. Conclusion: This is all political theatrics, and if those sons of bitches don't get their acts together very soon, we are all going to experience socialism, as in we are all going to pay the price for not raising the ceiling.

Very good writeup, I agree on every point. The issue at hand isn't GOP vs DNC, it's conservative capitalism vs liberal socialism. I'm headed to bed, up at 4 to travel in the AM but well done.

[w00k]

cut military spending by a third and stop giving Israel money.

BOOM

I just saved us ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS

[PaperShaker]

Hate outsourcing. Good stereotype, though.

[PaperShaker]

w00k said:

cut military spending by a third and stop giving Israel money.

BOOM

I just saved us ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS

MIC cut, yes. Cut Israeli support, no.

[w00k]

PaperShaker said:

Cut Israeli support, no.

Oh, you're one of those.