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[PaperShaker]

All this talk about the deficit is growing almost ridiculous. What is it about Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Geithner, Frank and the like that cannot produce a plan to get this economy going again? Boehner and House Republicans have created not only a plan, but a budget and put it on the table. What does Reid do? Tables the motion, so that the Senate can't even debate it... I saw in an interview earlier Christ Matthews ask Tim Geithner 4 times what the Democratic plan is, and 4 times he dodged the question. Matthews asked him if he indeed had a backup plan if the government defaults (he is the treasury secretary) and he said "yes." When asked what it was, he said "we're not sure yet". When is the buck going to stop? Why can't our President be a leader like Boehner and draw up a budget and plan. That stupid joke of a commander in chief tried once, and it went down 0-97 :laugh:
Seriously, what is the plan that the Democrats bring to the table, and if they don't have one why is the motion on possibly the most influential economic decision in our country's history tabled? :mad:

[OneBigDawg]

PaperShaker said:

Seriously, what is the plan that the Democrats bring to the table, and if they don't have one why is the motion on possibly the most influential economic decision in our country's history tabled? :mad:

You really don't think for a second that the dems would let the republicans look like the ones who "saved the country" for a instant do you? Obama and the rest of his crony's would rather have the Great Depression #2 than to allow that to happen.

[PaperShaker]

I agree. Now that's change we can believe in, right?

[Crimson Kicker8]

Their plan is to raise the debt ceiling, raise taxes, and lower their heads into the sand.  And you're absolutely right about Geithner, the guy is a tool.  He was on Fox News Sunday today, of the 10 or so questions Chris Wallace asked him, he may have answered one.  He has no clue about anything.

[PaperShaker]

Liberals make us the laughing stock of the world...
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And they have no plan to make things any different...
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[zartan]

OneBigDawg said:

You really don't think for a second that the dems would let the republicans look like the ones who "saved the country" for a instant do you? Obama and the rest of his crony's would rather have the Great Depression #2 than to allow that to happen.

yeah right, and that's the same reason why those douches Boehner and Cantor won't let the debt ceiling stuff go anywhere. Obama wants compromise, the Right wants unconditional surrender.

[Tider27]

OneBigDawg said:

>sig<

Glad I clicked on thread.

[zartan]

can we talk about the Republican plan for a minute? cut every social program in sight, further lower taxes on the already obscenely rich and destroy any and all attempts at Wall Street regulation? i'm sure those super rich d***heads who got us into this mess and then got bailed out but still enjoy all the perks will start creating jobs any minute now, right?

[PaperShaker]

zartan said:

yeah right, and that's the same reason why those douches Boehner and Cantor won't let the debt ceiling stuff go anywhere. Obama wants compromise, the Right wants unconditional surrender.

The right wants unconditional surrender? What about the healthcare program that Americans hate and don't want that liberals crammed down our throats? What about the policies that have caused a net of 2.5 million Americans to lose jobs under Obama? What about the meetings where the Congressional meetings where the Rebublicans were locked out and the dems did all the discussing they needed to do to shove that shit down our throats?

WHERE IS YOUR PLAN? IF YOU HAVE A PLAN, NAME IT- QUIT BITCHING ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE REPUB PLAN.

[NextYearIsHere]

Liberals make us the laughing stock of the world huh? What do you know of the world? Compared to us, the rest of the world is ridiculously liberal. Moderate Liberals here are conservatives in most of the world, I know, I've lived it.

If you want to argue about this approach or that, fine. But you clearly don't understand anything if you think "The liberal/Dems would rather have another great depression before give the GOP credit for saving the economy" or whatever. As much as I hate certain BS conservative policies, I never think that the GOP would be doing them if they actually believed them to be harmful. Doesn't mean said policies work, but they don't do them knowing that they will fail. If you think the Dems would do something to hurt the nation on purpose, you have literally no understanding of anything and believe this all to be a game full of super heros and evil villains instead of people with differing ideologies.

[PaperShaker]

Hey NYIH, instead of another bleeding heart rant, why not name a plan? It's because you pretend to be all intelligent and high-and-mighty, but you obviously have no knowledge in the field of economics or you would name a plan. I hope you like it in Korea and plan on staying there indefinitely, because that's one less marxist killing capitalism and the American dream here at home.

Name the liberal plan...

[PaperShaker]

zartan said:

can we talk about the Republican plan for a minute? cut every social program in sight, further lower taxes on the already obscenely rich and destroy any and all attempts at Wall Street regulation? i'm sure those super rich d***heads who got us into this mess and then got bailed out but still enjoy all the perks will start creating jobs any minute now, right?

Was the bailout a conservative or liberal idea? Who does GE work for? What's wrong with mass producing products and hiring lots of people so that they have jobs and our products can be brought at a low price?

[zartan]

PaperShaker said:

The right wants unconditional surrender? What about the healthcare program that Americans hate and don't want that liberals crammed down our throats? What about the policies that have caused a net of 2.5 million Americans to lose jobs under Obama? What about the meetings where the Congressional meetings where the Rebublicans were locked out and the dems did all the discussing they needed to do to shove that shit down our throats?

WHERE IS YOUR PLAN? IF YOU HAVE A PLAN, NAME IT- QUIT BITCHING ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE REPUB PLAN.

Obama ran on a platform of universal health care and won. Don't cry when democracy doesn't go your way, skippy.

the debt ceiling plan is supported by a balance of revenue and spending cuts.

by the way, Obama is the incumbent. i think the burden of innovation and vision falls on the Right as the challenger in the next election.
so far the only policy platform i can see is 'NOT THAT GUY AGAIN!'

[zartan]

PaperShaker said:

Was the bailout a conservative or liberal idea? Who does GE work for? What's wrong with mass producing products and hiring lots of people so that they have jobs and our products can be brought at a low price?

in order:

1. both
2. their CEOs
3. the drive for profits leads to low wages and benefits and outsourcing

[PaperShaker]

No, Obama has no plan to make significant cuts. We are adding 1.5 trillion to the debt every year and Obama wants to cut 1.3 trillion over TEN YEARS? WTF will that accomplish? Once again, we are the only ones with a plan and you have yet to name one since you know everything... the American people have time and again showed that they oppose universal healthcare, and 70 percent were saying no at the time that Congress signed the Obamacare bill.
Revenue? There is nowhere near enough revenue, even if you close every "loophole" to cover the current deficit.