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Obama's recent birth certificate tampered with?

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OmahaBound said:

That quote is from the following USA Today article. The next link takes the exit polling from all the major networks and a couple other sources. The last link takes its info from the NY Times polling.

USATODAY.com - Democrats hope power of pulpit helps turn out black vote for Kerry
Demographics of How Groups Voted in the 2000 Presidential Election
http://www.iamsaam.o...s/BlackVote.pdf (Table on page 6 based on info from NY Times)

Despite that AP poll in Sept. 2004, Kerry ended up getting 88%. I assume since you see Gore got 90% I don't need to go back and find those articles again too.

well thanks...i did not know that. although, it definitely does not paint the black vote in any better light. instead, it portrays the black vote as being one gigantic voting block that simply casts their ballot in the direction of the party that has them fooled into thinking that they cannot make it on their own. you know what they say about the hand you hold...

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well thanks...i did not know that. although, it definitely does not paint the black vote in any better light. instead, it portrays the black vote as being one gigantic voting block that simply casts their ballot in the direction of the party that has them fooled into thinking that they cannot make it on their own. you know what they say about the hand you hold...


Actually, it shows that there was a difference of +10% for a black candidate of the same party, which is a HUGE swing, as these things go. It indicates that about 90% of blacks that didn't vote Democrat in the last election DID vote Democrat in 2008. So, yeah, I'd say those numbers say exactly what we thought they would.

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Well if you look at the sources I gave, they list the vote at 95% for Obama so it's a 7 point swing, and a 5 point swing from the 2000 election when fear of terrorism wasn't the prevailing issue.   So if you want to pretend all those people voted just because he's black then I can't force you to believe otherwise.   But then you'd be ignoring the huge increase in voting for 18-29 year olds (who are always going to be more idealistic and hopeful of change) which helped Obama.    And you'd be ignoring the more moderate African Americans who like many independent thinkers were sick of what they felt the Bush administration represented and at a minimum wanted a change of path from that party.

But just like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, it's so much easier to blame everything on racism, right?

As I posted earlier the +12% Hispanic swing to the Dems must have been because they thought he was Hispanic.
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OmahaBound said:

Well if you look at the sources I gave, they list the vote at 95% for Obama so it's a 7 point swing, and a 5 point swing from the 2000 election when fear of terrorism wasn't the prevailing issue. So if you want to pretend all those people voted just because he's black then I can't force you to believe otherwise. But then you'd be ignoring the huge increase in voting for 18-29 year olds (who are always going to be more idealistic and hopeful of change) which helped Obama. And you'd be ignoring the more moderate African Americans who like many independent thinkers were sick of what they felt the Bush administration represented and at a minimum wanted a change of path from that party.

But just like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, it's so much easier to blame everything on racism, right?

As I posted earlier the +12% Hispanic swing to the Dems must have been because they thought he was Hispanic.

if you read carefully- i acknowledged that it might not solely be based on race since you provided the numbers being 90% black for Gore...

let me ask you this- what other ethnic group votes overwhelmingly on party lines? 90, 95, 97% democrat? Are you kidding me? Sounds like there's a lot of ignorance if such disparity exists on ethnic lines.

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