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RDM said:

In time when I can't speak from personal experience I always love to turn to the great bastion of unquestionable information that is wikipedia -

In 1928, D. H. Lawrence's novel Lady Chatterley's Lover gained notoriety for its frequent use of the words f**k, f**ked, and f**king. Perhaps the earliest usage of the word in popular music was the 1938 Eddy Duchin release of the Louis Armstrong song "Ol' Man Mose". The words created a scandal at the time, resulting in sales of 170,000 copies during the Great Depression years when sales of 20,000 were considered blockbuster. The verse reads:

(We believe) He kicked the bucket,
(We believe) Yeah man, buck-buck-bucket,
(We believe) He kicked the bucket and ol' man mose is dead,
(We believe) Ahh, f**k it!
(We believe) Buck-buck-bucket,
(We believe) He kicked the bucket and ol' man mose is dead.

The liberal usage of the word (and other vulgarisms) by certain artists (such as James Joyce, Henry Miller, Lenny Bruce, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, in their Derek and Clive personas) has led to the banning of their works and criminal charges of obscenity. After Norman Mailer's publishers convinced him to bowdlerize f**k as fug in his work The Naked and the Dead (1948), Tallulah Bankhead supposedly greeted him with the quip, "So you're the young man who can't spell f**k." In fact, according to Mailer, the quip was devised by Bankhead's PR man. He and Bankhead didn't meet until 1966 and did not discuss the word then. The rock group The Fugs named themselves after the Mailer euphemism.
The Catcher in the Rye by J. D. Salinger featured an early use of f**k you in print. First published in the United States in 1951, the novel remains controversial to this day due to its use of the word, standing at number 13 for the most banned books from 1990–2000 according to the American Library Association.[9] The book offers a blunt portrayal of the main character's reaction to the existence of the word, and all that it means.
One of the earliest mainstream Hollywood movies to use the word f**k was director Robert Altman's irreverent antiwar film, MASH, released in 1970 at the height of the Vietnam War. During the football game sequence about three-quarters of the way through the film, one of the MASH linemen says to an 8063rd offensive player, "All right, bud, your f**kin' head is coming right off." Also, former Beatle John Lennon's 1971 release "Working Class Hero" featured use of the word, which was rare in music at the time and caused it to, at most, be played only in segments on the radio.




In 1965, U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson said to the Greek ambassador Alexandros Matsas when he objected to American plans in Cyprus, "F**k your parliament and your constitution."

During the 1968 Democratic National Convention, Chicago mayor Richard Daley became so enraged by a speech from Abraham A. Ribicoff that he shouted "Fuck you!"

The films Ulysses and I'll Never Forget What's'isname (both 1967) are contenders for being the first film to use the word 'f**k,' although the word 'f**king' is clearly mouthed silently in the film Sink the Bismarck! (1960), and the title character says it in the cartoon Bosko's Picture Show (1933).

In 1971, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the mere public display of f**k is protected under the First and Fourteenth Amendments and cannot be made a criminal offense. In 1968, Paul Robert Cohen had been convicted of "disturbing the peace" for wearing a jacket with "F**K THE DRAFT" on it (in reference to conscription in the Vietnam War). The conviction was upheld by the Court of Appeals and overturned by the Supreme Court. Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).








None of that says anything about how much people used it, but I can't believe that if movie-makers, musicians and authors were trying to slip it in, with censorship being as bad as it was back then, that Marines in WWII weren't swearing constantly.


Your knowledge in the historical use of expletives is quite fascinating.

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Robzilla said:

Your knowledge in the historical use of expletives is quite fascinating.


No, but my knowledge of the copy and paste button is renowned. :cool:

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RDM said:

No, but my knowledge of the copy and paste button is renowned. :cool:

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This is one area I definitely need work in.  I curse like a drunken sailor.  I probably make The Pacific sound PG-13.
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UKat said:

Yes they do, but not with the frequency and the f's back in the 40's. Folks had stronger morals back then. Don't get me wrong.....I know some curse a lot, but f@#k wasn't commonly used.

Oh well, I made my point, really doesn't matter....I can't change it.

I wish I could find the source but I'm having a hard time remembering where I saw it initially.   Before 'The Pacific' premiered on HBO I saw a column or video mentioning this very topic.   They were questioning the need for such language and the producers responded that their discussions with surviving veterans showed that, while the F-word wasn't prevalent in society yet, it was very prevalent amongst these men.  That doesn't mean they're not exaggerating its use further, but considering the veteran testimonies I've seen state this is as close to authentic as any war film they've seen I would imagine it's exaggeration isn't too extreme.
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I remember watching a documentary after Saving Private Ryan came out where they had a bunch of interviews with Vets and they all said that the cursing in the movie was nothing like it was back then.  That is to say, they did not say EFF, GD, JC, MEFF, etc.

Doesn't bother me that they use it just that it's historically inaccurate.  They go to such lengths to portray it visually as in the period, which costs them who knows how much.  But to portrait it accurately language-wise would not cost them a dime.

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"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight it's way out of a piss-soaked paper bag."

"As for the types of comments I make," he continued with a wry smile, "sometimes I just, By God, get carried away with my own eloquence."

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UKat, Tom Hanks actually commented on this on Colbert Report.

Tom Hanks Pt. 2 | March 8, 2010 - Tom Hanks | ColbertNation.com

Around 3 minutes in this video. If you want to watch the whole interview, here is the first part.

Tom Hanks Pt. 1 | March 8, 2010 - Tom Hanks | ColbertNation.com

Hanks goes on to say that Marines indeed used the f-word and bad language back then, but not in mixed company. I don't think he's trying to reflect on the characters in their personal life but in tough moments or times during the war.

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Exactly...
These guys weren't coming home and dropping F-Bombs and GD at the dinner table.  They were overseas, surrounded by hundreds of men their own age.  You know that when a group of guys gets together with no one else around the language automatically gets more obscene.
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Tider27 said:

but not in mixed company.

Mixed company?  As in, same rank or lower?

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I'm always amused by the inference that the use of swear words implies immorality. I'll bet God has a foul mouth on him when he sees the mess we've made of things.

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Bburton86 said:

Mixed company?  As in, same rank or lower?
Women/ Children
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adamsputnik said:

I'm always amused by the inference that the use of swear words implies immorality. I'll bet God has a foul mouth on him when he sees the mess we've made of things.
Hmm..........I'm sure your a Biblical expert and know GOD quite well in order to speak for Him.

Don't even put GOD down to our level...........I would be fearful to even speak of GOD with that lack of respect.
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Bburton86 said:

Mixed company?  As in, same rank or lower?

UKat said:

Women/ Children

I find that believable but I have to agree it's over used a little too much. Hope that sheds some light on the subject UKat.