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[Hoopergdawg]

Good job changing the conversation. How has Georgia done against Florida the last 18 times? 15-3 i think...?

And would it be 2-2 the last four years? If you would like to bring up the past, we can go to the scorecard and see who owns the all time series. Florida OWNED uga in the 90s just like uga OWNED fla before spurrier arrived. That is why I said the 'floriday glory days'....you'll most likely never see 40-4 again. UT/FLA cost each other at least a couple of trophies each during the 90s. Who do you wish you had right now? Spurrier or Meyer?

[Hoopergdawg]

GatorHunter said:

:laugh:...FLORIDA lost to Auburn in '93...again in '94...didn't lose an SEC game in '95 or 96'...and lost 2 SEC games in '97...let's see...that's 4 SEC losses in 5 years.:ph34r:



Nope...but we've won one of these:



Too bad they don't award trophies and/or rings for back-to-back 10 win seasons:lol:

And did you send Michigan a thank you note for that ring? Perhaps ESPN for hyping the gators to back into the championship? It takes a little luck to get one, and congrats on getting one. Richt had the same record as Meyer in his second year, 13-1, just the chips fell florida's way in 06. I hope we get a chance to steamroll OSU again this year b/c we all know they will be there AGAIN. Yeesh.

[GatorHunter]

Hoopergdawg said:

And would it be 2-2 the last four years? If you would like to bring up the past, we can go to the scorecard and see who owns the all time series. Florida OWNED uga in the 90s just like uga OWNED fla before spurrier arrived.

Actually, the difference in the "all time series" came prior to WWII.:)  It's the same old argument..."we've won 15 of the last 18"..."well, we have the all time series"...blah blah blah...trophies matter...rings matter.  UGA's won 52% of the games they've played vs UF...whew hoo.  Florida's won 15 of the last 18...forget about the '80's when UF only beat UGA twice...costing us at least 2 SEC Championships.  Maybe it's just me...but this argument is so played out.

Hoopergdawg said:

That is why I said the 'floriday glory days'....you'll most likely never see 40-4 again.

Who will?  Only losing 4 games in the SEC over a 5 year period is an amazing feat...what's even more amazing, if you go from '93 to '96...the Gators only lost 2.  No team will "likely never" do that again.

Hoopergdawg said:

UT/FLA cost each other at least a couple of trophies each during the 90s.

UT only cost UF one SEC Championship game appearance in the '90's...'98...the year they won the National Title.

Hoopergdawg said:

Who do you wish you had right now? Spurrier or Meyer?

That's like me asking you, "Who do you wish you had right now...Richt or Dooley?"  Right now...I'd rather have Meyer...way better recruiter, younger...and his offense hasn't been floating around the SEC for DC to analyze for nearly 20 years.  Besides...Meyer did something no other SEC Coach has ever done...won the National Championship his second season.

Hoopergdawg said:

And did you send Michigan a thank you note for that ring? Perhaps ESPN for hyping the gators to back into the championship?

Yea...we sent Michigan a "thank-you card" for losing their last game of the season...and if anything, ESPN did everything they could do to bolster an all-Big Ten BCS Title Game.  You're grasping at straws hooper.  Besides, I think the final outcome of the game showed who deserved to be there and who didn't.

Hoopergdawg said:

It takes a little luck to get one, and congrats on getting one. Richt had the same record as Meyer in his second year, 13-1, just the chips fell florida's way in 06. I hope we get a chance to steamroll OSU again this year b/c we all know they will be there AGAIN. Yeesh.

It does take a little luck...especially playing in this conference.  The luck for Florida in '06 came from Gary Daniels comparing Michigan's schedule and Florida's schedule at half-time of the SEC Championship Game.  Not to mention he threw a few barbs at ESPN for trying to promote a re-match of OSU and Michigan.

[BAMAPERRY]

"Who will? Only losing 4 games in the SEC over a 5 year period is an amazing feat...what's even more amazing, if you go from '93 to '96...the Gators only lost 2. No team will "likely never" do that again."

Never say never. From 1971 through 1979, Alabama only lost THREE SEC games. :)

[GatorHunter]

BAMAPERRY said:

"Who will? Only losing 4 games in the SEC over a 5 year period is an amazing feat...what's even more amazing, if you go from '93 to '96...the Gators only lost 2. No team will "likely never" do that again."

Never say never. From 1971 through 1979, Alabama only lost THREE SEC games. :)

Hence the use of "likely never".  Besides...the SEC is a lot stronger now than it was in the '70's or 90's...I doubt very seriously a team, no matter how talented, well coached...is capable of making the kinda runs Bama and Florida did in the past.

[GatorUnvrsty]

Hoopergdawg said:

Good job changing the conversation. How has Georgia done against Florida the last 18 times? 15-3 i think...?

And would it be 2-2 the last four years? If you would like to bring up the past, we can go to the scorecard and see who owns the all time series. Florida OWNED uga in the 90s just like uga OWNED fla before spurrier arrived. That is why I said the 'floriday glory days'....you'll most likely never see 40-4 again. UT/FLA cost each other at least a couple of trophies each during the 90s. Who do you wish you had right now? Spurrier or Meyer?

:whistle: Here we go again. Why do you say the last 4 years; like there weren't any games prior to that? When UGA fans talk about their recent record vs. UF, they only say the last 4 years; but, when they talk about UF's recent record, they say since Spurrier left, which, by the way, was only 6 years ago. They do it that way to get Zook's years in there, and say UF hasn't "had back-to-back 10-win seasons since Spurrier left". Well, maybe not, but even Zook beat UGA 2 out of 3 times, and Meyer has already done the same.

If you're going to be selective about the stats, at least be consistent. Don't use the year 2002 as a starting point to talk about 10-win seasons, and then use 2004 as the starting point to talk about the recent series record. If you don't like talking about the Spurrier years, fine... even without them, UF is 4-2 against UGA. Even our lousiest coach went 2-1 against Richt, and one of those years was 2002... Zook's first year as a head coach anywhere, and Richt's best year ever at 13-1.

Tell ya' what... you keep the 10-win seasons and those 2 wins over your arch-rival since Richt arrived; and we'll go ahead and keep our 8 and 9-win seasons with the National Championship squeezed in... along with the 5 victories over UGA. Everybody's happy.:thumbs:

[Hoopergdawg]

Why do you say the last 4 years; like there weren't any games prior to that? When UGA fans talk about their recent record vs. UF, they only say the last 4 years;

The same reason only Florida fans want to look at the last 18 "15-3", where there no games played before that? Uga had a 20 something lead in the series before Spurrier came to Florida. He's by far a top 5 coach ever in the SEC. My hat's off to his dominance. The reason I mentioned urban vs spurrier is b/c spurrier is still coaching and apparently wants to keep coaching. So you could have spurrier if you wanted him.

[GatorUnvrsty]

Hoopergdawg said:

Why do you say the last 4 years; like there weren't any games prior to that? When UGA fans talk about their recent record vs. UF, they only say the last 4 years;

The same reason only Florida fans want to look at the last 18 "15-3", where there no games played before that? Uga had a 20 something lead in the series before Spurrier came to Florida. He's by far a top 5 coach ever in the SEC. My hat's off to his dominance. The reason I mentioned urban vs spurrier is b/c spurrier is still coaching and apparently wants to keep coaching. So you could have spurrier if you wanted him.

And that's really the point. UF told Spurrier he'd have to interview for the job, just like all the other candidates; and so, it didn't happen. GH makes a good point. By the time 2001 rolled around, Spurrier's offense wasn't as difficult to figure out anymore. Part of his success at Florida was based on the fact that the SEC was "3 yards and a cloud of dust" when he arrived... much like the tiny 10 still is, and the Big 12 was. He mowed teams down, and scored basketball scores on folks because they were taken by surprise at all the crazy formations, throwing the ball all over the place (including on first down or first play of the game), and scoring in 2 minutes or less. I remember countless bombs on the first play of games for long gainers or TD's, that seemed to just completely sap the strength and will out of opponents. But, eventually, DC's caught on; but, of course, not until UF had completely dominated cfb for 10 years.

The same thing is going on with Meyer. While the spread isn't new, its implementation in cfb with all the new options of a few coaches is. Only now are other teams jumping on the bandwagon after watching the likes of WVU and UF (among others) roll up silly offensive numbers year in and year out. And, despite what some opposing fans claim and really want to believe, it's the most difficult offense to defend against; and DC's are still working hard and earning their checks trying to stop it. It hasn't been figured out, because it can't be... it constantly changes, depending on who and what the QB sees on the field when he steps to the line. If you've got plenty of speed and options, the only thing that really stops it are the players running it, through mistakes... otherwise, defenses are only slowing it, and the end result is inevitable.

So, I'd have to say we like who we've got, and our AD, Jeremy Foley, does an outstanding job of finding the most dynamic, innovative coaches he can hire for our program.:thumpsup:

[BAMAPERRY]

Spurrier will win big at USC when he gets the talent upgraded, and he's in the process of doing that. He won at UF because he had the best talent in the SEC and he's a good coach. Adding Ellis Johnson as DC was a good move. Some say the Spread Offense makes for a pussy Defense. Judging by UF last year, that may be true. Defense won them the Title in '06, but that was a heavy upperclassman D.

[TDArkansasOhmy]

BAMAPERRY said:

"Who will? Only losing 4 games in the SEC over a 5 year period is an amazing feat...what's even more amazing, if you go from '93 to '96...the Gators only lost 2. No team will "likely never" do that again."

Never say never. From 1971 through 1979, Alabama only lost THREE SEC games. :)

My god man, that was then. You can't seriously tell us you think you team is going to rock the sporting world and set new standards in winning? Hell, you have Nick $aban at the helm.

[GatorHunter]

BAMAPERRY said:

Spurrier will win big at USC when he gets the talent upgraded, and he's in the process of doing that.

Depends on what your definition of "win big"...Spurs will have SC going to bowl games regularly...he may even challenge for the East at times...but with UF, UGA and UT in the same division, I don't think SC will be an annual favorite for the Title.  Not the way UF was with Spurs.

BAMAPERRY said:

He won at UF because he had the best talent in the SEC and he's a good coach.

Not entirely true.  Spurs didn't recruit well while at UF...he didn't really have to.  Players like Wuerffel and Grossman recruited Florida.  Spurs won at UF because everything lined up perfectly...as GU said...the SEC was basically a rushing oriented conference...Spurs came in, with 5-wide sets, throwing the ball on every down...and creamed the competition.  The SEC wasn't nearly as strong in the '90's.  That's why Spurs won.

BAMAPERRY said:

Some say the Spread Offense makes for a pussy Defense. Judging by UF last year, that may be true. Defense won them the Title in '06, but that was a heavy upperclassman D.

Don't really understand this statement...how does the Spread Offense affect the defense?:headscrat  Defense was a major contributor in our title run of '06...but the offense still scored 41 on what was considered by many to be the one of the top defenses in the nation in OSU.  Our defense did horribly last season because we lost 9 starters....that's it.  Had absolutely nothing to do with the offense we ran.

[BAMAPERRY]

TDisBack said:

My god man, that was then. You can't seriously tell us you think you team is going to rock the sporting world and set new standards in winning? Hell, you have Nick $aban at the helm.

He won't set new standards, but I'll be happy just winning by traditional Bama standards. :thumpsup:

[crawfish]

I believe Bama will definitely become a better team under Saban's leadership, but there is way too much parity in the SEC for Bama to ever expect to dominate the way they once did back when they could have 4000 scholarship players. Kudos to a great history, and you ought to be proud of it (maybe a little less proud of it at times..jk), but Bama is, and will only be, "just another" good team in the SEC from now on. Heck, winning the SEC a couple of time in a five year period is now a huge feat! Please understand, this post is not against Bama fans and nation, it's just the reality of the modern day SEC in which we now live in. The great Georgia, Florida, LSU, Auburn, and Tennessee teams aren't going anywhere for years to come.  So Bama is welcome to come and join the rest of us again at the top, but being "King of the Hill" is only short term in this dog eat dog conference.

[Hoopergdawg]

You're grasping at straws hooper. Besides, I think the final outcome of the game showed who deserved to be there and who didn't.


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Originally Posted by Hoopergdawg  
It takes a little luck to get one, and congrats on getting one. Richt had the same record as Meyer in his second year, 13-1, just the chips fell florida's way in 06. I hope we get a chance to steamroll OSU again this year b/c we all know they will be there AGAIN. Yeesh.

So had USC not lost to UCLA in the final weekend, FLA still would have made it to the ncg? With the SEC at it's peak right now, any SEC has to have some breaks fall their way to even get into the game (see LSU).

[GatorHunter]

Hoopergdawg said:

So had USC not lost to UCLA in the final weekend, FLA still would have made it to the ncg?

It would've been the subject of some hot debates...USC's first loss came 2 weeks after our first loss...and they lost to an unranked team...there would've been room for discussion.  But with ESPN's team-crush on the Trojans...they would've likely beat us out...which would've been a sin, I tell you...

BTW, I though you were talking about Michigan...where did USC come from?:headscrat: