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View PostNeil Caudle is Superman, on 16 June 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

Libertarians are not the party of "no" government, they're the party of as little government as possible. There's a big difference.

marginal difference.  It still doesn't work.  They'd have us fighting over resources like tribes in the Middle East.

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View Postcocky4ever, on 16 June 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

Well, technically it's possible to have no government...so who decides what "as little as possible" means? Schools, police force, etc?? Where do we draw the line?

Some government is necessary to maintain a cohesive, safe, orderly society. Everything else could be done without. We don't have to worry about drawing the line because we're consistently adding more and more government every day. Libertarians' main goal is to start cutting things back one by one.

View PostSECorBust, on 16 June 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

marginal difference.  It still doesn't work.  They'd have us fighting over resources like tribes in the Middle East.

I LOL'ed. Is what America doing right now what you consider "working"? Is what we've been doing the last 100 years "working"? Libertarians' ideals very closely resemble those of the founders of this country, back when America didn't suck and was actually considered to be the greatest country in the world.

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There was a whole nation of wealth to plunder back then.  It was every man for himself because there was little government.  The nation has evolved and that way of life is gone completely - we face entirely different problems.  Some people think that the founding fathers were some kind of super authority that could set us all straight.  They had great vision, but the problems that face us today are entirely different and they probably would have framed some things differently if faced with modern issues.   I'm a fan of capitalism, but there are a lot of problems with worshiping a free market God.

America wasn't the greatest country in the world at least until the 1950's when it emerged from WWII along with Russia as a world superpower.  Maybe winning the cold war in the 80s was when we really achieved World's only super power status.

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View PostSECorBust, on 16 June 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

There was a whole nation of wealth to plunder back then.  It was every man for himself because there was little government.  The nation has evolved and that way of life is gone completely - we face entirely different problems.  Some people think that the founding fathers were some kind of super authority that could set us all straight.  They had great vision, but the problems that face us today are entirely different and they probably would have framed some things differently if faced with modern issues.   I'm a fan of capitalism, but there are a lot of problems with worshiping a free market God.

America wasn't the greatest country in the world at least until the 1950's when it emerged from WWII along with Russia as a world superpower.  Maybe winning the cold war in the 80s was when we really achieved World's only super power status.

The problems we face today are mostly problems that we created ourselves. There aren't nearly as many problems in a free market as there are in supporting dozens of millions of able-bodied people on the backs of hard-working people. Back in the old days, people actually CHOSE to help others because it was the right thing to do... Now, people are so pissed off by all the money that the government steals from them to give to lazy pieces of crap that nobody wants to help anyone who is genuinely in need anymore.

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View PostNeil Caudle is Superman, on 19 June 2014 - 09:13 PM, said:

The problems we face today are mostly problems that we created ourselves. There aren't nearly as many problems in a free market as there are in supporting dozens of millions of able-bodied people on the backs of hard-working people. Back in the old days, people actually CHOSE to help others because it was the right thing to do... Now, people are so pissed off by all the money that the government steals from them to give to lazy pieces of crap that nobody wants to help anyone who is genuinely in need anymore.

neil you are right about that but we have an additional problem too. started big in the 60's and those are the people running most everything now. its the jealous factor. say ole possum had managed to put away a bunch of money and he found a way to use that money to make a Posted Image load more. Lets say he gives accordingly to the church, charities and several other things including volunteer but he didn't brag on it. he created jobs when he found how to make that money work for him too. now here is where those folks step in. all they say is how much he has and how he keeps it all for him self. sound familiar? I could go on with this story but the only one who actually benefits from this is the insurance company who has his liability coverage he shouldn't need.

what im getting at is there are two sides. always look to see who benefits the most and who is the loudest to figure out which way to point.

you guys are going to be better off (if you can financially handle whats left) once the 60's generation dies off
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View Postsmokeyone, on 12 June 2014 - 08:33 PM, said:

They seem to be universal supporters of Ron Paul and self identify as libertarians, at least the ones I dealt with are.

Is every person who calls themselves Christian, actually Christian?

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View Postbbqit, on 20 June 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

neil you are right about that but we have an additional problem too. started big in the 60's and those are the people running most everything now. its the jealous factor. say ole possum had managed to put away a bunch of money and he found a way to use that money to make a Posted Image load more. Lets say he gives accordingly to the church, charities and several other things including volunteer but he didn't brag on it. he created jobs when he found how to make that money work for him too. now here is where those folks step in. all they say is how much he has and how he keeps it all for him self. sound familiar? I could go on with this story but the only one who actually benefits from this is the insurance company who has his liability coverage he shouldn't need.

what im getting at is there are two sides. always look to see who benefits the most and who is the loudest to figure out which way to point.

you guys are going to be better off (if you can financially handle whats left) once the 60's generation dies off

Yeah, that's a big part of it, too.... I think they go hand-in-hand though, because as a society we feel like it's not fair for people not working to have a lower quality of life than people who are working.... And then we say it's not fair that people working crappy jobs aren't making as much as people working skilled jobs.... We're just getting closer and closer to socialism every decade. Eventually it's got to stop.
I think it's pretty funny how a fast food worker can be jealous of what a teacher or a cop is making salary-wise and demand pretty much the exact same pay. I bet a fast food worker isn't jealous of what teachers, cops, and firefighters have to put up with or risk at work on a regular basis...



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