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Staying with 8 games and 1 permanent "fixed" opponent from the opposite division

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View Postcocky4ever, on 18 June 2014 - 05:28 AM, said:



That "middle of the road" East finished with a team in the top 5, two in the top 10, 3 in the top 25(Vandy right?) and went 3-1 in bowl games.

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View Postzartan, on 17 June 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

I'm not saying the North is right on this one. I'm telling you what you hear all day long when you live here


Ask them HTH a team from the South is going to play them in under 50 weather when they don't schedule OOC games in under 50 weather. With few exceptions, the B1G plays their OOC games in the first 4 weeks of the season and their conference games in the next 10 weeks.

In 2014 the only conference game played in the first 4 weeks is PSU at Rutgers. There are only 3 B1G OOC games scheduled in October or November and the October game is on the 4th. North Texas at Indiana. The November games are on the 15th.Temple at PSU and NW at ND.

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The downside of having a superconference is an issue like this. There's really no way to fix it so all of us are happy.

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View Postcocky4ever, on 18 June 2014 - 05:28 AM, said:



That "middle of the road" East finished with a team in the top 5, two in the top 10, 3 in the top 25(Vandy right?) and went 3-1 in bowl games.

Yeah but come on, when is the next time you'll ever see the three East "powers" Georgia, Tennessee and Florida this down all at once? What? Again this year? Maybe. :trollface:

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View Postcocky4ever, on 17 June 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:

I'd say it will be VERY rare for an SEC champ to get left out, and it'll probably never happen before we get to an 8 team playoff...which means it'll never happen. If a team's strength of schedule is so low that winning the SEC doesn't catapult them into the playoff then I don't see how playing one extra conference game(and hoping that particular year doesn't see them rotate on a weak SEC opponent) will make that big of a difference. A one loss SEC team will get in either way.


To push for an SEC 9 game schedule to increase the odds of getting in is basically saying:

If there's a year we don't schedule tough OOC games, and we lose two games but win the SEC, and an opponent tough enough to significantly increase our SOC rotates on that year but we still beat despite being a two loss team and the other conference champions all happened to play tougher schedules that year and all finished with less than two losses we'll be covered.



Or you could go play big time matchups like so cal in Arlington TX and not worry about it.

Guess i'm as crazy as Tim Brandeau. He thinks it happens this year, and look who he has 5th that gets left out. :)

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Timmy's picks seem left field at first glance but it definitely could happen
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View PostALA2262, on 20 June 2014 - 09:35 PM, said:



Guess i'm as crazy as Tim Brandeau. He thinks it happens this year, and look who he has 5th that gets left out. :)

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If SC only loses one game and wins the SEC they'll finish in the top 4. If SC loses two games but wins the SEC and all the other champs only lose one it'll depend on who the other champs lose against. Plus going into the season our strength of schedule is harder than any of those other teams...yet we only play 8 conference games. We're ranked as the 13th hardest schedule. ucla plays 9, yet they're at 60th and ou plays nine while they're at 93rd. Please tell me how a team playing the 93rd hardest schedule is going to get in over the SEC champ. And ftr the other two are florida state at 47 and michigan state at 55. So actually the two teams who play nine conference games are the ones with the weakest schedules.

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that's right cocky, those that complain about our 8 game load are the ones with the weaker schedule. playing more conference games helps the teams at the top but hurts the middle of the pack and lower tier teams. playing somebody outside your conference from one of the whining conferences is great for comparison of conferences.
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View Postbbqit, on 21 June 2014 - 06:16 AM, said:

that's right cocky, those that complain about our 8 game load are the ones with the weaker schedule. playing more conference games helps the teams at the top but hurts the middle of the pack and lower tier teams. playing somebody outside your conference from one of the whining conferences is great for comparison of conferences.

Agreed. And playing more in conference games will only add to the loss column for SEC teams, because more often than not we win OOC games. So the SEC team who wins the 9th game still has as many wins as if they had scheduled on OOC matchup in that spot, but the SEC team they beat probably finishes with a loss they wouldn't have had if they could've scheduled an OOC matchup. Now, I'm not saying schedule cupcakes...so yes there will be some losses from OOC games, but it won't be a guaranteed loss to add to the pool like it would be if there is an extra conference game.

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View Postcocky4ever, on 21 June 2014 - 06:22 AM, said:

Agreed. And playing more in conference games will only add to the loss column for SEC teams, because more often than not we win OOC games. So the SEC team who wins the 9th game still has as many wins as if they had scheduled on OOC matchup in that spot, but the SEC team they beat probably finishes with a loss they wouldn't have had if they could've scheduled an OOC matchup. Now, I'm not saying schedule cupcakes...so yes there will be some losses from OOC games, but it won't be a guaranteed loss to add to the pool like it would be if there is an extra conference game.

I would like the idea of a fixed ooc from one of the major conferences. one so fans can get to know each other and be more routine. OU and texas did this before they killed the swc and we did that with ark for years.
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View Postbbqit, on 21 June 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

I would like the idea of a fixed ooc from one of the major conferences. one so fans can get to know each other and be more routine. OU and texas did this before they killed the swc and we did that with ark for years.

Yeah, that's one of the great things about rivalry week around here. Not only do we play clemson, but we also have UGA-gt and UF-f$u...plus Vandy is trying to do the same with wf. And we can add the UK-louisville rivalry to the SEC-acc matchups(though not sure it'll be during rivalry week). I'd love to see A&M play texass every year. Not really sure who I'd like to see the West teams play every year, but I think it definitely adds to the interest if it's an annual thing.

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View Postcocky4ever, on 21 June 2014 - 06:34 AM, said:

Yeah, that's one of the great things about rivalry week around here. Not only do we play clemson, but we also have UGA-gt and UF-f$u...plus Vandy is trying to do the same with wf. And we can add the UK-louisville rivalry to the SEC-acc matchups(though not sure it'll be during rivalry week). I'd love to see A&M play texass every year. Not really sure who I'd like to see the West teams play every year, but I think it definitely adds to the interest if it's an annual thing.

I would like for us to be every year with va.
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View Postbbqit, on 21 June 2014 - 06:36 AM, said:

I would like for us to be every year with va.

Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing SEC and acc going ahead and officially announcing matchups between two teams for a good 5-6 years or so(maybe longer). We're already about halfway there between all the East teams and the Chik-Fil-A Kickoff Classic moving to two games.

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Useless to hope the CFP never goes beyond 4 teams. But I can see already from this conversation, that we will never hear the end of the whining from the fifth team left out each year. Will be fantastic! :)