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math isn't my strong suit but this just doesn't seem sustainable

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Full time year round non public sector employment in this country is 86,500,000 people. Another 16,600,000 work full time year round for the government (ie non producers). In the last census people in households receiving one or more forms of government assistants numbered 151,000,000 minus 3,500,000 that served in the armed forces leaves 147,500,000 people being supported by 86,500,000.


Does anyone think this can work long time?

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View Postsmokeyone, on 16 April 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Full time year round non public sector employment in this country is 86,500,000 people. Another 16,600,000 work full time year round for the government (ie non producers). In the last census people in households receiving one or more forms of government assistants numbered 151,000,000 minus 3,500,000 that served in the armed forces leaves 147,500,000 people being supported by 86,500,000.


Does anyone think this can work long time?

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View Postsmokeyone, on 16 April 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Full time year round non public sector employment in this country is 86,500,000 people. Another 16,600,000 work full time year round for the government (ie non producers). In the last census people in households receiving one or more forms of government assistants numbered 151,000,000 minus 3,500,000 that served in the armed forces leaves 147,500,000 people being supported by 86,500,000.


Does anyone think this can work long time?
Nope.

It's a great deal like that stupid program that, that traitor to our country instituted years ago, called Quantitative Easing. Designed to fail from the beginning.

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View Postsmokeyone, on 16 April 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Full time year round non public sector employment in this country is 86,500,000 people. Another 16,600,000 work full time year round for the government (ie non producers). In the last census people in households receiving one or more forms of government assistants numbered 151,000,000 minus 3,500,000 that served in the armed forces leaves 147,500,000 people being supported by 86,500,000.


Does anyone think this can work long time?

You're right, your math sucks.

A few problems. First, both private and public sector employees pay taxes, so the number of workers contributing from those 2 groups is 103 million, not 86,500,000.

Second, does the 147,500,000 number include children who are too young to work, because there are 74 million children in this country. Many of those will be supported by their working family and many will be partially supported by both family and government, and some will depend on the government entirely.

Not enough information to reach any conclusions.
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You've forget all about the millions of illegal immigrants that Obama is trying to give amnesty that will surely be on the government dime.

Ooops! Let me be PC they're migrant workers, dreamers, etc.. not the gotdamn criminals they are illegals
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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 16 April 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

You're right, your math sucks.

A few problems. First, both private and public sector employees pay taxes, so the number of workers contributing from those 2 groups is 103 million, not 86,500,000.

Second, does the 147,500,000 number include children who are too young to work, because there are 74 million children in this country. Many of those will be supported by their working family and many will be partially supported by both family and government, and some will depend on the government entirely.

Not enough information to reach any conclusions.

Since public sector employees are paid via tax dollars it really hard to count them as contributors. Its like if you bought a hat for 1,000.00 you didn't have the money for but wanted to brag about saving 3.00 on it. Yes you got 3 bucks back but you spent 1,000.00 to get it.

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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 16 April 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

You're right, your math sucks.

A few problems. First, both private and public sector employees pay taxes, so the number of workers contributing from those 2 groups is 103 million, not 86,500,000.

Second, does the 147,500,000 number include children who are too young to work, because there are 74 million children in this country. Many of those will be supported by their working family and many will be partially supported by both family and government, and some will depend on the government entirely.

Not enough information to reach any conclusions.

Total population of this country is 317,000,000 plus an unknown number of illegal aliens plus the money the government ships out of country. So I would say the number is fairly conservative in its nature. Even if you remove the money spent overseas, the illegal aliens and put the number of kids helped at 40,000,000 the math is still unsustainable.

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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 16 April 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

Math ain't your only shortcoming... assistance, term.

I apologize for auto correct. And I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to discuss the actual topic. If I was in your demographic I wouldn't want to either.

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View Postsmokeyone, on 17 April 2014 - 05:34 AM, said:

Since public sector employees are paid via tax dollars it really hard to count them as contributors. Its like if you bought a hat for 1,000.00 you didn't have the money for but wanted to brag about saving 3.00 on it. Yes you got 3 bucks back but you spent 1,000.00 to get it.

It doesn't matter that they're paid tax dollars because public sector employees are necessary in any government, and they've been a part of every government since the beginning of time. Omitting them is stupid and that attempt at logic worse.

View Postsmokeyone, on 17 April 2014 - 05:40 AM, said:

Total population of this country is 317,000,000 plus an unknown number of illegal aliens plus the money the government ships out of country. So I would say the number is fairly conservative in its nature. Even if you remove the money spent overseas, the illegal aliens and put the number of kids helped at 40,000,000 the math is still unsustainable.

You still don't have enough data to make that claim; you don't include a single dollar amount for any of the earners or any of the folks getting help. Just counting up people is, again, stupid, and doesn't confirm or refute anything... literally, it doesn't say anything at all.

Bipartisan accounting of entitlement fraud, in which folks are getting benefits that don't need or deserve them (not fraud in which doctors, hospitals, and clinics file false claims, which is a much larger problem) is repeatedly put at 1%.

1% of 147,500,000 people is about 1.5 million people that you could add to your workforce side if all fraud could be eliminated (not even feasible); except that you'd also need to subtract the number of children from that group.


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I apologize for auto correct. And I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to discuss the actual topic. If I was in your demographic I wouldn't want to either.

Auto-correct didn't make those mistakes; and you have no clue what my demographic is... surprised you even know what demographic means.
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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 17 April 2014 - 07:50 AM, said:

It doesn't matter that they're paid tax dollars because public sector employees are necessary in any government, and they've been a part of every government since the beginning of time. Omitting them is stupid and that attempt at logic worse.



You still don't have enough data to make that claim; you don't include a single dollar amount for any of the earners or any of the folks getting help. Just counting up people is, again, stupid, and doesn't confirm or refute anything... literally, it doesn't say anything at all.

Bipartisan accounting of entitlement fraud, in which folks are getting benefits that don't need or deserve them (not fraud in which doctors, hospitals, and clinics file false claims, which is a much larger problem) is repeatedly put at 1%.

1% of 147,500,000 people is about 1.5 million people that you could add to your workforce side if all fraud could be eliminated (not even feasible); except that you'd also need to subtract the number of children from that group.




Auto-correct didn't make those mistakes; and you have no clue what my demographic is... surprised you even know what demographic means.

Necessary or not doesn't change the fact that they are paid via tax dollars, meaning they are supported by those bringing in money from outside the tax dollar pool and are not self sustaining. Would you agree to that? It takes money from private sector jobs to sustain the government payroll.

There are only so many ways to slice the pie here. Would you agree that the overwhelming majority of public sector money comes from the full time, year round private sector wage earner? If so the ratio of private sector contributor to public sector taker is unsustainable. Tweaking the numbers a few million either way doesn't make it sustainable.

Auto correct does in fact "correct" words on my tablet/phone(finally gave in and got a smart phone) if I miss a touch screen letter or light touch.

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