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View Postadfalcon, on 22 March 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:


That's because there were none left perfect on ESPN's sites, there were still plenty left on other sites.

View Postadfalcon, on 22 March 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:


That's because there were none left perfect on ESPN's sites, there were still plenty left on other sites.

No, they weren't reporting on brackets on their sites; they were reporting on brackets submitted to the Billion Dollar Challenge.

And as the Yahoo article pointed out, the last known perfect bracket wasn't one of the ones submitted to the Challenge anyway; so ESPN was right, as of last night there were none left in the Billion Dollar Challenge.
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View PostTitans4Vols, on 22 March 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

The SEC(albeit only 3 teams) is proving the rest of the NCAA wrong in regards to how good our level of play is.

This should help all SEC schools going forward for NCAA tourny bids in the future. Tennessee should(I know that's a dangerous thing to say) beat Mercer, meaning 3 SEC teams in the sweet 16.

You would think so; but we've been performing well in tourneys for the last several years, and it still hasn't gotten us any respect from the committee.

From what I've seen from some of these supposed powerhouse programs and powerhouse conferences, I know damn well UAr and Mizzou would've beaten the snot out of several of them; hell, the "powerhouses" are losing to mid-majors right and left as it is.

If folks don't actually watch these other conferences play, they'll never be able to reliably compare us to other conferences.

One huge disparity I've seen almost across the board is most of these teams play little or no defense at all; they just run up and down the court launching shots back and forth. Pathetic.

Blew Pitt's mind when they actually faced a team that played defense today.

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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 22 March 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

You would think so; but we've been performing well in tourneys for the last several years, and it still hasn't gotten us any respect from the committee.

From what I've seen from some of these supposed powerhouse programs and powerhouse conferences, I know damn well UAr and Mizzou would've beaten the snot out of several of them; hell, the "powerhouses" are losing to mid-majors right and left as it is.

If folks don't actually watch these other conferences play, they'll never be able to reliably compare us to other conferences.

One huge disparity I've seen almost across the board is most of these teams play little or no defense at all; they just run up and down the court launching shots back and forth. Pathetic.

Blew Pitt's mind when they actually faced a team that played defense today.

Yeah.

Well hopefully Florida and Kentucky can keep pushing on. Michigan is most likely the end of our line, but I think Kentucky can get past Witchita State(although I do have them losing to Louisville in the sweet 16), and Florida obviously has a chance to take home the title this year.

I think we can actually make a difference in terms of the NCAA's view on SEC teams this year, though. Especially with Kentucky as an 8 seed taking down an undefeated team and Tennessee making it to the sweet 16 despite almost getting left out of the tournament altogether. Showed at the very least there's no excuse for a team like UMass to make it, much less as high of a seed as they were, over a team like Tennessee, Mizzou and the likes.

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If the SEC didn't play like steaming piles of Posted Image during  the non-con, it would get more respect.

Frankly, we barely deserved 3 bids

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View PostTitans4Vols, on 22 March 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:



Yeah.

Well hopefully Florida and Kentucky can keep pushing on. Michigan is most likely the end of our line, but I think Kentucky can get past Witchita State(although I do have them losing to Louisville in the elite 8), and Florida obviously has a chance to take home the title this year.

I think we can actually make a difference in terms of the NCAA's view on SEC teams this year, though. Especially with Kentucky as an 8 seed taking down an undefeated team and Tennessee making it to the sweet 16 despite almost getting left out of the tournament altogether. Showed at the very least there's no excuse for a team like UMass to make it, much less as high of a seed as they were, over a team like Tennessee, Mizzou and the likes.

Oh, believe me, I agree with you; but we have this reputation as a weak conference because our teams are so competitive between each other that only a few teams break out and distance themselves from the pack.

What folks don't realize is, those teams stuck back in that pack are much better than some of the teams from other conferences regularly getting bids every year.

I've been following it and keeping stats on it for the last 5 years or so; and virtually every year our tourney teams beat these other conferences' teams much worse than they beat SEC teams (if they beat them at all) during the season.

I'll post the figures at some point; eye-opening stuff.
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View PostJoeGator, on 22 March 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

If the SEC didn't play like steaming piles of Posted Image during  the non-con, it would get more respect.

Frankly, we barely deserved 3 bids

I don't blame the basketball world for not respecting this cluster-f of a season in the SEC.

Florida showed our only sign of strength.The rest may survive a little longer but our league is bad for the most part.

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Exactly.
Even Kentucky went 1-6 or something against ranked teams.

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View PostJoeGator, on 22 March 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

Exactly.
Even Kentucky went 1-6 or something against ranked teams.

Yeah, but that's also a case of that same perception problem. SEC teams didn't get ranked very often because of that perception, so it was impossible for any SEC teams to beat ranked teams in conference... even UK was out of the rankings by season's end.

But you can see how UAr and Mizzou would have easily been competitive with a lot of these tourney teams; so many of them don't pass the eye test, especially on defense.

That's what's surprised me most in this year's tourney; as bad as some of our teams and games looked during conference play, it wasn't any worse than some of the performances in the tourney thus far.

If Mercer and Dayton can advance past Duke and 'Cuse, then obviously those 2 teams weren't all they were cracked up to be and were just slaughtering creampuffs in their own conferences.

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I think there's a difference between teams that COULD beat low seeds this year and teams that even deserved a chance.

Georgia was our third place team and had 14 losses? Shameful.
Tennessee underacheived so badly they should fire Cuonzo no matter future results.
Mizzou had 1 good win against several bad losses.
Arkansas had a few good wins against a lot of bad losses.

I think it's weird the A10 got more bids, but it's because they beat power conferences in the non con.

Bubble was ridiculously weak this year. No excuse.

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View PostJoeGator, on 22 March 2014 - 09:51 PM, said:

I think there's a difference between teams that COULD beat low seeds this year and teams that even deserved a chance.

Georgia was our third place team and had 14 losses? Shameful.
Tennessee underacheived so badly they should fire Cuonzo no matter future results.
Mizzou had 1 good win against several bad losses.
Arkansas had a few good wins against a lot of bad losses.

I think it's weird the A10 got more bids, but it's because they beat power conferences in the non con.

Bubble was ridiculously weak this year. No excuse.

Well and that's the rub; there's a difference between how good a team is and whether or not they've earned a bid. SEC teams may not have earned bids; but are quite obviously better than teams that are in.

That's the problem with a team like Wichita State; they're obviously a very good team, maybe even good enough for a #1 seed... but they still didn't earn that seed.

I also don't agree with those who say they can't help their schedule because that's an outright bullPosted Image lie. They can't help their conference schedule, but when you play in a Posted Image conference you know you need to go strong out of conference to make up for it.

In fact, Wichita State themselves did that very thing a few years ago; played a formidable OOC schedule and had a very respectable overall SOS. They didn't do that this year; so while they may be plenty good enough to warrant their seed, they nonetheless didn't EARN it.
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Looks like Uconn is gonna beat Nova

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I expect better from Arkansas, Alabama, and Kentucky in future seasons.

But still expect crap from Missouri, Tennessee, and Georgia.

Auburn is immediately the 4th best team, at worst.

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Sorry to burst some of y'alls bubbles, but the SEC still sucks ass.
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View PostGATORSFAN21, on 22 March 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

Looks like Uconn is gonna beat Nova

Good, I picked them for the upset.

View Postadfalcon, on 22 March 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Sorry to burst some of y'alls bubbles, but the SEC still sucks ass.

Might be a little better if your coach would quit handing out schollies to junkies.
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So anyway, let's look back at the last 2 decades and see just how bad the SEC has been...

The SEC has won 3 of the last 8 National Championships and 6 of the last 20, with 3 different teams (UK, UF, UAr).

The Big 12 (KU) and the B1G (MSU) have both won 1 title during that span; while the Big East has won 5 ('Cuse, UConn, UL), the ACC has won 5 (UNC, DU, Maryland), and the PAC-12 has won 2 (UCLA, 'Zona). So let's look at it again:

NCAA Titles last 20 Years - SEC (6), ACC (5), Big Least (5), PAC-12 (2), Big 12 (1), B1G (1).

How about winning percentages by major conferences over the last decade...

2004
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
B12 - 4 - 10-4 - .714
BE - 6 - 12-5 - .706
ACC - 6 - 14-6 - .700
SEC - 6 - 7-6 - .538
B1G - 3 - 3-3 - .500
P12 - 3 - 3-3 - .250

2005
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
ACC - 5 - 12-4 - .750
B1G - 5 - 12-5 - .706
P12 - 4 - 5-4 - .556
BE - 6 - 7-6 - .538
B12 - 6 - 6-6 - .500
SEC - 5 - 5-5 - .500

2006
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
SEC - 6 - 13-5 - .722
P12 - 4 - 8-4 - .667
ACC - 4 - 6-4 - .600
BE - 8 - 11-8 - .579
B12 - 4 - 4-4 - .500
B1G - 6 - 3-6 - .333

2007
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
SEC - 5 - 11-4 - .733
P12 - 6 - 10-6 - .625
B1G - 6 - 9-6 - .600
B12 - 4 - 6-4 - .600
BE - 6 - 7-6 - .538
ACC - 7 - 7-7 - .500

2008
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
B12 - 6 - 12-5 - .706
ACC - 4 - 6-4 - .600
BE - 8 - 11-8 - .579
P12 - 6 - 8-6 - .571
B1G - 4 - 5-4 - .556
SEC - 6 - 4-6 - .400

2009
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
BE - 7 - 17-7 - .708
B12 - 6 - 11-6 - .647
ACC - 7 - 9-6 - .600
B1G - 7 - 9-7 - .563
P12 - 6 - 6-6 - .500
SEC - 3 - 1-3 - .250

2010
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
ACC - 6 - 9-5 - .643
B1G - 5 - 9-5 - .643
SEC - 4 - 6-4 - .600
P12 - 2 - 3-2 - .600
B12 - 7 - 9-7 - .563
BE - 8 - 8-8 - .500

2011
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
ACC - 4 - 8-4 - .667
SEC - 5 - 7-5 - .583
BE - 11 - 13-10 - .565
P12 - 4 - 6-4 - .556
B12 - 5 - 5-5 - .500
B1G - 7 - 7-7 - .500

2012
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
SEC - 4 - 10-3 - .769
B1G - 6 - 11-6 - .647
B12 - 6 - 10-6 - .625
BE - 9 - 14-9 - .609
ACC - 5 - 6-5 - .545
P12 - 2 - 1-2 - .333

2013
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
B1G - 7 - 14-7 - .667
BE - 8 - 13-7 - .650
ACC - 4 - 6-4 - .600
SEC - 3 - 4-3 - .571
P12 - 5 - 5-5 - .500
B12 - 5 - 3-5 - .375

Decade Totals
Conf - Bids - Record - Perc
ACC - 52 - 83-49 - .629
SEC - 47 - 68-44 - .607
BE - 77 - 111-74 - .600
B1G - 56 - 82-56 - .594
B12 - 53 - 76-52 - .594
P12 - 42 - 55-42 - .567

In conclusion, the SEC has won the most National Championships with the same number of teams as any other conference over the last 2 decades; and in the last decade, despite getting fewer bids than all but the Pac-12, our teams have a better winning percentage than all but the ACC.
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