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brb- protesting voter ID laws

brb- telling people they need to bring their ID while attending


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Eh, I'd also make sure to carry an ID if I were planning on having a march which has the POTENTIAL (as any protest does) to end badly.
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It is a bit of a pain to go vote thats why turnouts are so low.  If you can make it more of a pain in the ass for poor folks to vote you can further disenfranchise them.  That is what voter ID laws are intended to do.

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There needs to be an ID system though...not having one is plain stupid. The problem is that there is no universal ID. We should have a "voter ID" that is issued free of charge whenever somebody signs up to vote. That makes all these problems a non-issue.
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View PostSECorBust, on 09 February 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

It is a bit of a pain to go vote thats why turnouts are so low.  If you can make it more of a pain in the ass for poor folks to vote you can further disenfranchise them.  That is what voter ID laws are intended to do.
Damn right. While we're at it, let's get rid of the "disenfranchisement" laws required for driving. And buying a firearm. And flying. And cashing a check. Bastards don't need to know who I am when I'm opening a bank account either. Taking a college entrance exam? Posted Image em. And i feel pretty damn disenfranchised at the liquor store and club Posted Image too. I hope they try to ID me if i have to apply for welfare or social security benefits. By god, I even got disenfranchised when asked to present id at an "r" rated movie.

This whole damn idea of me being who I say I am is just a big conspiracy to keep me down./****/


Proving that you are who you say you are isn't disenfranchisement. It's Posted Image 'in common sense.

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It's that hard to slip an ID in your pocket on your way to the polls? Holy inconvenience Batman.**

Edited by 1dawgfan09, 09 February 2014 - 12:58 PM.

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View PostSECorBust, on 09 February 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

It is a bit of a pain to go vote thats why turnouts are so low.  If you can make it more of a pain in the ass for poor folks to vote you can further disenfranchise them.  That is what voter ID laws are intended to do.

Yeah, it's in no way an attempt to curb the outrageous instances of voter fraud.**

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View PostSECorBust, on 09 February 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

It is a bit of a pain to go vote thats why turnouts are so low.  If you can make it more of a pain in the ass for poor folks to vote you can further disenfranchise them.  That is what voter ID laws are intended to do.

I'm sure they have absolutely nothing to do with keeping voter fraud down or letting non-US citizens vote.


Even homeless people can very easily obtain state ID cards. There's nothing difficult or expensive about obtaining an ID. The notion that it would 'disenfranchise' them is purely wrong.
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Mexicans don't have a problem getting them, not buying the poor folks can't get an ID bullPosted Image.  Spend that $20 on the ID instead of rocks and Ports.
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Actually, it IS quite an ordeal for some folks. It's not really hypocritical to ask that marchers bring ID, because the folks who can't get or struggle to get ID are typically in no condition to walk, much less march, or have no way to show up at a march.

That's the problem with most folks' comments regarding this issue (and most issues, frankly); they only look at it from their own perspective, rather than considering that not everyone is in their same social or economic situation or station in life.

I know some folks who are old, disabled, poor, or all 3 who would have a great deal of trouble getting down to a driver's license office, sitting there all day, and getting ID... in fact, I have family members who simply couldn't do it at all if they didn't have family nearby to assist them in doing so. I know someone who quit driving before state ID's were even issued to folks who couldn't drive, and she hadn't had a new ID for like 50 years.

I have a car; not everyone does, nor do they have family to drive them and they live in rural areas where there is no public transportation. If they get a chance to vote it's because someone has organized a large group trip to do it.

I have a copy of my birth certificate; not everyone does, and it often practically takes an act of Congress to get a copy... in fact, sometimes one needs more documentation than some folks reasonably have access to to obtain one.

Ironically, they usually want the kind of ID that requires a birth certificate to reissue the birth certificate... how's that for a catch-22?

"Yes sir, we can send you a copy of your birth certificate; simply take your birth certificate to the SS office and the state DL office, get a DL or state ID with your picture on it, a SS card, a money order for $20, and mail copies of both to us with the money order, and we'll send you a copy of your birth certificate.". Posted Image  Somebody tell me how a poor, senior citizen in a wheelchair, with no family nearby, accomplishes all those things. They still have a right to vote.

Everywhere I've ever lived they mailed me my voter ID card automatically prior to elections; and if you drive, you can usually update it regularly each time you renew your license. But people who aren't ambulatory and no longer drive (and their are millions of them in this country) may still be getting their voter ID cards in the mail, but they don't have pictures on them.

Requiring folks to obtain an official picture ID, often in addition to their voter registration card to prove they're the person the card was issued to (as if anyone would bother to go to all the trouble to steal a voter registration card so they could stand in line for 5 hours and vote) is nothing more than an attempt to advance a political agenda and influence election results.

It's not even brilliantly disguised; it's blatant interference with a specific goal. It's targeted at a group of folks (the poor, the elderly, and the disabled) they know will be voting for their political opponents.

Edited by GatorUnvrsty, 09 February 2014 - 01:37 PM.

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At this point, I would hope that serious consideration to abolish the Think Tank is in the works, @WadeWilson @Benny @PuddingTime @GatorUnvrsty. .

Only reason it was ever created was to put political topics and religious topics away from the general public forum's eye, because people get their feeling hurt when their stance on the matter is ever challenged/proven wrong.

What a complete waste of creation of a subforum that was, as evidenced by the barrage of clearly political topics in the WF.

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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 09 February 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Actually, it IS quite an ordeal for some folks. It's not really hypocritical to ask that marchers bring ID, because the folks who can't get or struggle to get ID are typically in no condition to walk, much less march, or have no way to show up at a march.

That's the problem with most folks' comments regarding this issue (and most issues, frankly); they only look at it from their own perspective, rather than considering that not everyone is in their same social or economic situation or station in life.

I know some folks who are old, disabled, poor, or all 3 who would have a great deal of trouble getting down to a driver's license office, sitting there all day, and getting ID... in fact, I have family members who simply couldn't do it at all if they didn't have family nearby to assist them in doing so. I know someone who quit driving before state ID's were even issued to folks who couldn't drive, and she hadn't had a new ID for like 50 years.

I have a car; not everyone does, nor do they have family to drive them and they live in rural areas where there is no public transportation. If they get a chance to vote it's because someone has organized a large group trip to do it.

I have a copy of my birth certificate; not everyone does, and it often practically takes an act of Congress to get a copy... in fact, sometimes one needs more documentation than some folks reasonably have access to to obtain one.

Ironically, they usually want the kind of ID that requires a birth certificate to reissue the birth certificate... how's that for a catch-22?

"Yes sir, we can send you a copy of your birth certificate; simply take your birth certificate to the SS office and the state DL office, get a DL or state ID with your picture on it, a SS card, a money order for $20, and mail copies of both to us with the money order, and we'll send you a copy of your birth certificate.". %20http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/g8r8u2/blinksmiley.gif  Somebody tell me how a poor, senior citizen in a wheelchair, with no family nearby, accomplishes all those things. They still have a right to vote.

Everywhere I've ever lived they mailed me my voter ID card automatically prior to elections; and if you drive, you can usually update it regularly each time you renew your license. But people who aren't ambulatory and no longer drive (and their are millions of them in this country) may still be getting their voter ID cards in the mail, but they don't have pictures on them.

Requiring folks to obtain an official picture ID, often in addition to their voter registration card to prove they're the person the card was issued to (as if anyone would bother to go to all the trouble to steal a voter registration card so they could stand in line for 5 hours and vote) is nothing more than an attempt to advance a political agenda and influence election results.

It's not even brilliantly disguised; it's blatant interference with a specific goal. It's targeted at a group of folks (the poor, the elderly, and the disabled) they know will be voting for their political opponents.

Why wouldn't some of these people have the correct and needed documentation anyway. How many people have you met without a valid form of ID for no good reason? And twenty bucks is not that big of a stretch.
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View PostNeil Caudle is Superman, on 09 February 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

I'm sure they have absolutely nothing to do with keeping voter fraud down or letting non-US citizens vote.

Folks who aren't allowed to vote (felons) and illegals stay as far away from state and federal offices (including voting locations) as humanly possible... they want no part of potentially being discovered.


View PostNeil Caudle is Superman, on 09 February 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Even homeless people can very easily obtain state ID cards. There's nothing difficult or expensive about obtaining an ID. The notion that it would 'disenfranchise' them is purely wrong.

Ever been homeless? Do you really think somebody who sleeps in a cardboard box next to a dumpster has a spare $25 to obtain an ID; and that's what he'd spend it on instead of some decent food so he could skip dining from that same dumpster for a change?

And what about those homeless folks who don't live in a big city? It's your opinion that after obtaining that $25, walking 20 or 30 miles to the nearest city big enough to have a DL office isn't difficult?

Some of you folks have a very limited experience of life in America... probably not a bad idea to walk in some shoes prior to commenting on the hardships of others; or at the very least spend some time around those different groups.
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And if you can't scrape up twenty bucks, you have bigger problems than not voting. Plus, there are all kinds of party funded and volunteer driven modes of transport to take people to poling places. Sorry and everywhere else.

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View Post1dawgfan09, on 09 February 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

Why wouldn't some of these people have the correct and needed documentation anyway. How many people have you met without a valid form of ID for no good reason? And twenty bucks is not that big of a stretch.

Are you serious? Some people are home-bound; they haven't left their house in decades, and haven't had a need for a DL or ID.

Some folks haven't been in their attic to dig up their original birth certificate for 50 years, if it hasn't completely fallen apart in the first place.

Some folks have lost all their belongings in moves over the years.

Some folks have lost all their belongings in fires, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc, etc..

There are literally hundreds of reasons why someone might be unable to acquire those things.

And $20 isn't that big of a stretch to YOU. It's a helluva stretch to somebody who's disabled, lives on $750/month, and has to choose between buying real food, or pet food and their prescriptions, every month... believe me, that's not even uncommon.
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