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Reports: Vandy to hire Derek Mason (DC @ Stanford)

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View Postcocky4ever, on 18 January 2014 - 06:18 AM, said:

Nb4 Hogan hates his guts in 3 years...

Yep, along with everybody else in Nashville or is a Vandy fan...read this just a short note from story about Coach Poach in the Nashville Tennessean:

As for Franklin, his change in venue requires a change in message. When he was at Vanderbilt, his recruiting approach was built around four key factors:

• Get a world-class education.

• Live in a great city.

• Make history instead of building on the history made by others.

• Play in the nation’s best conference.

Now that he’s at Penn State, Franklin’s message must be rewritten, to wit:

• Get a great education (Penn State ranks No. 37 nationally by U.S. News and World Report compared to Vanderbilt’s No. 17).

• Live in a cool college town in the middle of nowhere.

• Help return the program to its previous stature.

• Play in the nation’s fourth- or fifth-best conference.

Good luck with that, Coach Poach.

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Here is the whole story...Coach Poach:




James Franklin got this one right.
Like Coach Poach says, some players — maybe even most players — commit to the coach and not the school during the recruiting process. It’s sad, but true.
That is Franklin’s best defense for the end-around run by three players that previously had made public verbal commitments to Vanderbiltbut instead are bound for Penn State, where he now coaches.
It’s easy to criticize Franklin but the blame is at least partially misplaced. The problem lies with the players and their advisors — be it family, high school coach or a talent broker — who fall under the spell of a slick-talking recruiter when they should be looking at the overall football program and the university.
In a perfect world, coaches who change jobs would not flip recruits from one school to another. While it’s not against the rules, it is on shaky moral ground. But it happens all the time. Franklin is just proving to be a better flipper than most. He is using the relationships he built while employed at Vanderbilt to fortify his first recruiting class at Penn State.
All’s fair in love and recruiting. The coach, whether it’s Franklin or somebody else, merely is doing what’s in his own best interest. The player should be smart enough to do the same.
Did anybody really expect Franklin to keep his hands off all of Vanderbilt’s commitments? That’s naïve. If we’ve learned nothing else about him over the last couple of weeks, it is that Franklin’s loyalty is to himself and his current job, not to his former employer.
Amidst all this, Franklin’s past words and actions have come back into play. When he was at Vanderbilt, he threatened to pull the scholarship offer of a player that had committed to the Commodores but had the audacity to schedule a visit to another school.
He said those that would go back on their words and even consider signing elsewhere were “not men of honor” and “not men of integrity.”
Look in the mirror. If the description fits, wear it.
Some recruiters are golden. Wherever they go, prime prospects follow.
In SEC circles, Rodney Garner is a certified pied piper when he comes to bringing in talented players regardless of his locale.
Over the past quarter century, he has been a productive recruiter while an assistant coach at Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn again.
When he changed jobs, he often transported big-time recruits across state lines. And there was nothing illegal about it.
The challenge now is for Vanderbilt to hire Franklin’s replacement and stop the hemorrhaging. With no one in a position to counter Franklin’s lure or the offers by rival coaches, the Commodores’ recruiting class is being gutted.
Close to home, MBA lineman Jashon Robertson had been committed to Vanderbilt for more than a year but now has reversed field. He says he is headed to Tennessee and ended a tweet to that effect with “#VFL.”
For the hash tag- and initial-impaired, that stands for Vol For Life. Never mind that he had been a #CFL — Commodore For Life — as recently as a week earlier.
And Robertson is not alone. Others are in play. Ensworth lineman Michael Sawyers, a former Commodores commitment, has reopened the recruiting process.
As for Franklin, his change in venue requires a change in message. When he was at Vanderbilt, his recruiting approach was built around four key factors:
• Get a world-class education.
• Live in a great city.
• Make history instead of building on the history made by others.
• Play in the nation’s best conference.
Now that he’s at Penn State, Franklin’s message must be rewritten, to wit:
• Get a great education (Penn State ranks No. 37 nationally by U.S. News and World Report compared to Vanderbilt’s No. 17).
• Live in a cool college town in the middle of nowhere.
• Help return the program to its previous stature.
• Play in the nation’s fourth- or fifth-best conference.
Good luck with that, Coach Poach.

Edited by Hoganknows, 18 January 2014 - 06:38 AM.

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View PostHoganknows, on 18 January 2014 - 06:32 AM, said:



Yep, along with everybody else in Nashville or is a Vandy fan...read this just a short note from story about Coach Poach in the Nashville Tennessean:

As for Franklin, his change in venue requires a change in message. When he was at Vanderbilt, his recruiting approach was built around four key factors:

• Get a world-class education.

• Live in a great city.

• Make history instead of building on the history made by others.

• Play in the nation’s best conference.

Now that he’s at Penn State, Franklin’s message must be rewritten, to wit:

• Get a great education (Penn State ranks No. 37 nationally by U.S. News and World Report compared to Vanderbilt’s No. 17).

• Live in a cool college town in the middle of nowhere.

• Help return the program to its previous stature.

• Play in the nation’s fourth- or fifth-best conference.

Good luck with that, Coach Poach.


I was talking about you hating Mason in 3 years when he leaves....

But as far as all that about Franlikn is concerned...so what? If you lose any recruits now that he's gone it means they were more interested in playing for Franklin than playing at Vandy. And a coach is supposed to sell a school based on its strengths. There are positives about playing at penn state so I'm sure he'll sell them on those. We're talking about a guy who brought in good classes at Vandy.

Plus, this shouldn't surprise anyone. We're talking about a guy who, when he thought he wouldn't get recruits, tried to steer them away from other SEC schools. They actually cheered just as loud when they kept a guy from signing at UT as they did when they landed good players themselves. Isn't it obvious he would want to coach at a school where he'll see less competition?

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What a conundrum for Vandy fans. If they hire a guy that can get them winning they have an over under of 2.5 years before thy move up to a better situation. If the guy bombs out well Jimmie got them a taste of winning so now they want to win. It must really suck to be a Vandy fan.

The bigger lose will be the reason Vandy was able to steal a few wins the last 2 seasons. No J Matthews and UT/UF/UGA not sucking enough for Vandy to beat them.

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that's not exactly true anymore smoky. coaches are learning that you can be fired anywhere. of course I do believe franklin had some pressure telling him to leave and it wasn't from the university. I won't go into that here. there is a statement that keeps getting made by the media about him and a few other coaches on a regular basis that bothers me.
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View PostSECats, on 18 January 2014 - 02:56 AM, said:

If he turns out to be everything I want him to be Vandy will need to replace him.

:)

Hahahaha! I can see that might be a good reason.
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View Postsmokeyone, on 18 January 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:

What a conundrum for Vandy fans. If they hire a guy that can get them winning they have an over under of 2.5 years before thy move up to a better situation. If the guy bombs out well Jimmie got them a taste of winning so now they want to win. It must really suck to be a Vandy fan.

The bigger lose will be the reason Vandy was able to steal a few wins the last 2 seasons. No J Matthews and UT/UF/UGA not sucking enough for Vandy to beat them.

and hopefully some targeting rule changes!
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View PostHoganknows, on 18 January 2014 - 06:32 AM, said:



Yep, along with everybody else in Nashville or is a Vandy fan...read this just a short note from story about Coach Poach in the Nashville Tennessean:

As for Franklin, his change in venue requires a change in message. When he was at Vanderbilt, his recruiting approach was built around four key factors:

• Get a world-class education.

• Live in a great city.

• Make history instead of building on the history made by others.

• Play in the nation’s best conference.

Now that he’s at Penn State, Franklin’s message must be rewritten, to wit:

• Get a great education (Penn State ranks No. 37 nationally by U.S. News and World Report compared to Vanderbilt’s No. 17).

• Live in a cool college town in the middle of nowhere.

• Help return the program to its previous stature.

• Play in the nation’s fourth- or fifth-best conference.

Good luck with that, Coach Poach.

. Live on one of the NCAA's top 25 most dangerous campuses.....

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View Postbbqit, on 18 January 2014 - 07:42 AM, said:

that's not exactly true anymore smoky. coaches are learning that you can be fired anywhere. of course I do believe franklin had some pressure telling him to leave and it wasn't from the university. I won't go into that here. there is a statement that keeps getting made by the media about him and a few other coaches on a regular basis that bothers me.

No doubt Franklin wanted out of Vandy in the worst way and had his agent pimp him to every open job but that doesn't change the fact Vandy is a stepping stone resume builder in the world of college coaching. A resume bullet for a guy that can say "I won at an SEC school that doesn't care about SEC football. Vandy wants to be a BCS coaching farm or minor league farm system than this is the way to do it. Go out and hire high reward low risk guys looking for their first head coaching gig. Looking at the guys Vandy pursued that's what it looks like they were doing. No established names, no big splash just young eager competent guys looking for their first chance.

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View Postcocky4ever, on 18 January 2014 - 06:41 AM, said:



I was talking about you hating Mason in 3 years when he leaves....

But as far as all that about Franlikn is concerned...so what? If you lose any recruits now that he's gone it means they were more interested in playing for Franklin than playing at Vandy. And a coach is supposed to sell a school based on its strengths. There are positives about playing at penn state so I'm sure he'll sell them on those. We're talking about a guy who brought in good classes at Vandy.

Plus, this shouldn't surprise anyone. We're talking about a guy who, when he thought he wouldn't get recruits, tried to steer them away from other SEC schools. They actually cheered just as loud when they kept a guy from signing at UT as they did when they landed good players themselves. Isn't it obvious he would want to coach at a school where he'll see less competition?

The irony is that he steered that kid to .... His new rival Ohio State.

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Lol at this quote about dream jobs from Mason at the presser.

Coach Shaw has his (Stanford) and I have mine and that is between my wife and I.  And it's a ways away.

Well at least he didn't lie

Edited by Matt, 18 January 2014 - 04:22 PM.


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View Postsmokeyone, on 18 January 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:

What a conundrum for Vandy fans. If they hire a guy that can get them winning they have an over under of 2.5 years before thy move up to a better situation. If the guy bombs out well Jimmie got them a taste of winning so now they want to win. It must really suck to be a Vandy fan.

The bigger lose will be the reason Vandy was able to steal a few wins the last 2 seasons. No J Matthews and UT/UF/UGA not sucking enough for Vandy to beat them.

Jimmy was winning with Bobby Johnson's players.....we play now with Jimmy's All Star recruits:)  Suppose to be an extreme upgrade....and by the way...Mason is an upgrade from Coach Poach!!
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View Postsmokeyone, on 18 January 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

No doubt Franklin wanted out of Vandy in the worst way and had his agent pimp him to every open job but that doesn't change the fact Vandy is a stepping stone resume builder in the world of college coaching. A resume bullet for a guy that can say "I won at an SEC school that doesn't care about SEC football. Vandy wants to be a BCS coaching farm or minor league farm system than this is the way to do it. Go out and hire high reward low risk guys looking for their first head coaching gig. Looking at the guys Vandy pursued that's what it looks like they were doing. No established names, no big splash just young eager competent guys looking for their first chance.

He did and he did it all the wrong way and screwed his own career....now he will fall flat on his face....guys like him always do!!!.....Remember Lane Kiffin......same mold!!!
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Lmao Hogan, coaches leave schools, and Vandy will never be able to keep a successful coach for a long time.
Get over it, Derek Mason will leave in a few years if he is successful too.
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 BulldawgFan, on 18 August 2014 - 06:22 PM, said:

What makes you think Bama is head and toes above MSU?
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View Postadfalcon, on 18 January 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

Lmao Hogan, coaches leave schools, and Vandy will never be able to keep a successful coach for a long time.
Get over it, Derek Mason will leave in a few years if he is successful too.

Oh so Ole Miss is the destination point for most all coaches....CDM is no Jimmy

Payback will be nice in Nashville in 2014...welcome back ....3 trips to Nashville:)

Edited by Hoganknows, 18 January 2014 - 04:30 PM.

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