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Auburn AD Jay Jacobs Might Claim More National Championships

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View Postzartan, on 14 January 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

It's OK to laugh at this story, but not if you're an Alabama fan

As an Alabama fan, I laugh at this story.

People bitch and moan about Bama's "MNCs", but the 15 that are claimed were all recognized by a legitimate standard.  Yes, many of the older ones were during seasons that had multiple (and in some cases more deserving) champions, or during years that Bama lost their bowl game.  What haters are too ignorant to recognize is that those were the rules of the day, and you cannot retroactively take them away using today's criteria.

That being said, on what grounds could Auburn even remotely make a claim to 2004?  The fact that they went undefeated?  Yeah, ok, then add two more to Bama's total (1945, 1966) using that logic.

I don't know the history behind the older Auburn national championships, but if a legitimate agency using a legitimate standard of the day crowned them national champs in those years, then yes, they have grounds to claim them.  2004 is not one of those years.
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View PostCrimson Kicker8, on 16 January 2014 - 11:15 PM, said:



As an Alabama fan, I laugh at this story.

People bitch and moan about Bama's "MNCs", but the 15 that are claimed were all recognized by a legitimate standard.  Yes, many of the older ones were during seasons that had multiple (and in some cases more deserving) champions, or during years that Bama lost their bowl game.  What haters are too ignorant to recognize is that those were the rules of the day, and you cannot retroactively take them away using today's criteria.

The people who awarded Bama some of those sketchy nattys had Bama connections

The whole thing stinks

It's like you guys stole something and the statute of limitations expired
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View PostCrimson Kicker8, on 16 January 2014 - 11:15 PM, said:

As an Alabama fan, I laugh at this story.

People bitch and moan about Bama's "MNCs", but the 15 that are claimed were all recognized by a legitimate standard.  Yes, many of the older ones were during seasons that had multiple (and in some cases more deserving) champions, or during years that Bama lost their bowl game.  What haters are too ignorant to recognize is that those were the rules of the day, and you cannot retroactively take them away using today's criteria.

That being said, on what grounds could Auburn even remotely make a claim to 2004?  The fact that they went undefeated?  Yeah, ok, then add two more to Bama's total (1945, 1966) using that logic.

I don't know the history behind the older Auburn national championships, but if a legitimate agency using a legitimate standard of the day crowned them national champs in those years, then yes, they have grounds to claim them.  2004 is not one of those years.

The thing is, there were no rules of the day for some of those seasons... 1925, 1926, 1930, and 1934 all came before the AP started full time in 1936. If I remember correctly there are as many as 10-15 teams claiming titles from the same year in this era. 1941 doesn't meet any legitimate criteria or rules of the day whatsoever (2004 Auburn is much more legit than 1941 Bama), 1964 came when the AP's post-season poll didn't count, only the final regular season poll, etc.
IF Bama had claimed only using legitimate standards of the day that'd be one thing, but there didn't use to be ANY "legitimate standards" back in the day.

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Even in this modern era... y'all do remember Florida won the NC with 2 losses and Bama won it without winning the SECCG or even playing in it...
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View Postzartan, on 17 January 2014 - 04:36 AM, said:

The people who awarded Bama some of those sketchy nattys had Bama connections

The whole thing stinks

It's like you guys stole something and the statute of limitations expired

Uh huh.  Show me where a title-issuing agency had sketchy Alabama connections.
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View PostNeil Caudle is Superman, on 17 January 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

The thing is, there were no rules of the day for some of those seasons... 1925, 1926, 1930, and 1934 all came before the AP started full time in 1936. If I remember correctly there are as many as 10-15 teams claiming titles from the same year in this era. 1941 doesn't meet any legitimate criteria or rules of the day whatsoever (2004 Auburn is much more legit than 1941 Bama), 1964 came when the AP's post-season poll didn't count, only the final regular season poll, etc.
IF Bama had claimed only using legitimate standards of the day that'd be one thing, but there didn't use to be ANY "legitimate standards" back in the day.

Just because the AP or BCS weren't around back in those days doesn't mean college football didn't have national champions.  Yes, there were SEVERAL champions back in those days, and they were determined before bowl games were played (why Bama claims 1973), but it isn't a case of Alabama saying "oh, well, this year we did swell, so ALABAMA alone is claiming a national title".  As I said before, all 15 nattys recognized by the university were also recognized by some title-issuing agency.

Now, from 1936 until 1997, the AP was seen as the gold-standard of champions, and the BCS took over from 1998 until 2014.  It is what it is, but just like USC claims a national title in 2003 (AP), it was LSU who raised the crystal football that year.  Auburn didn't even have an AP endorsement for 2004.
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1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn’t exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 – 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 – Current.

1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!

1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!

1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!

1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. .

1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.

1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.

1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.

1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.

1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.
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No AP or BCS recognition, but 2004 was an NC bro!

2013 should have been an NC, that's the one that is the most sad.

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@WDavE I think you need to learn the definition of legitimate. I don't count 15, but you discredit the AP?

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View PostWDavE, on 17 January 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn’t exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 – 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 – Current.

1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!

1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!

1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!

1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. .

1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.

1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.

1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.

1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.

1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.

Thanks for proving my point about trying to take away championships by using today's standards vs the standards of the day.  I can always count on a salty little brother to come through in that regard.
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View PostWadeWilson, on 17 January 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

@WDavE I think you need to learn the definition of legitimate. I don't count 15, but you discredit the AP?

It's a bad copy and paste job on his part.  Any barner who's worth their weight in whine has this synopsis saved on their computer and pull it out when they need it.  I've seen the same list used word for word several times on here.
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View PostCrimson Kicker8, on 17 January 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:



It's a bad copy and paste job on his part.  Any barner who's worth their weight in whine has this synopsis saved on their computer and pull it out when they need it.  I've seen the same list used word for word several times on here.

It's a shame you don't have any rebuttal apart from tired little brother insults
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View Postzartan, on 17 January 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

It's a shame you don't have any rebuttal apart from tired little brother insults

Well, considering my rebuttal to you was to provide evidence of your claim that agencies had Alabama ties when naming them national champs, and you didn't deliver, I'll consider that more than enough.
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LMAO at Auburn trying to claim 2004, you were not a champion on any of the polls.
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What makes you think Bama is head and toes above MSU?
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At the end of the day I look at it like this: Of all the crowning agencies going back to the beginning of college football, the AP and the BCS have established themselves as the two most legitimate in terms of consensus.  Alabama has more AP titles than any other school.  Alabama has more BCS titles than any other school.  So at the end of the day it doesn't matter if they claim 5, 15, or 500, they still have more consensus national championships over a 77 year period (going back to the founding of the AP) than any other school.  So any attempt to delegitimize those two facts is asinine, here's your bowl of sour grapes.
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