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View PostPuddingTime, on 19 January 2014 - 01:53 AM, said:

Whens the last time you got on here and bitched about Andy Kennedy, Tony Barbee, or Frank Martin griping at the refs or complain about their players?  Spare us the soapbox and just say you don't like us and be done with it.  Quit trying to justify the hate.

Don't be ridiculous, I don't even hate UK at all; I hate Cal.

And would you like to know the history behind the hate for that whiny, overrated c**t?

You. You, the other UK fans, and Rupp Rafters are what convinced me he was a worthless, underhanded POS.

As you know, Gator fans, including me, didn't care much about basketball prior to UF having some real, repeated success.

I didn't even know who Cal was in 2005 and earlier, and couldn't have given 2 Posted Images. And I damn sure didn't know who World Wide Wes was.

But you UK guys started thread after thread about those 2, what sorry cheaters they were, and how scummy recruiting in and around Memphis was.

Y'all told everybody on this site that he and Wes represented everything that was wrong with collegiate basketball.

So, at the time I already read a lot of other teams' sites, and intrigued, decided to go check out Rupp Rafters to read more about those 2.

It was an unrepentant bash-fest, and more than a few Blue fans said at the time that UK would never lower their standards enough to employ something like that.

You remember that guy that used to post his UK rant vids all the time? I can't remember his handle/screename right offhand, but he had several "shows" specifically about Cal, Wes, and Memphis.

Hell, PT, when none of us around here even knew what you were talking about, you yourself educated us with several posts, articles, and links about nefarious recruiting practices by Wes and suggested the NCAA needed to hurry up and do something about those 2... and they eventually did.

So I'll be happy to climb down off my soapbox when you guys put away your irony board and quit being the ultimate hypocrites... because only a handful of folks on this site would even know they were supposed to hate Cal without UK fans telling us we should, and proving why repeatedly over the years with examples of all the underhanded Posted Image they pulled.
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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 19 January 2014 - 12:04 AM, said:



No lip-reading skills necessary; plenty of folks heard what he was saying (screaming) and passed it along. Hell, even the announcers commented on it live.

You've about worn out the word "anecdotal", haven't you? 'Bout time to turn the page in that Websters you're studying, or just make that statement a part of your sig. :trollface:

Until people stop using an isolated (possible) incident to describe "the way it is"...I will use that word or any other word I can come up with to express the absurdity of such claims.

Every coach whines at times...but haters of Cal and UK are ridiculously obsessed with things that make you look stupid if you knew the truth about him, his agenda, his players and his positive influence he has in life.
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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 19 January 2014 - 01:43 AM, said:



Um, whut? LOL. How is it justification of success for folks to opine that whining and begging for nonexistent penalties at the end of a hard-fought contest is kind of low-down and douchey for a coach, especially one at a juggernaut program with a wealth of talent? Lobbying officials or pointing things out to them during a game is one thing, all coaches do some of that; refusing to accept a loss to the extent that you raise a stink and insist on a call (as opposed to challenging an actual made call) is something entirely different.

I mean, honestly, most of the folks weighing in don't even have a personal stake in anything related to UK and/or never even play them. Kind of hard to refute that somebody's a sore loser when he tries to lobby the refs for not one, but two, bs calls at the end rather than just own up to the fact that he got beat fair and square. That's not jealousy talking; that's just people witnessing bona fide poor sportsmanship... there's no crying in basketball, either. Fans can get away with some of that; coaches are supposed to be above it, especially when they're wrong.

He did his best to try and limit the damaging impression everyone got later on at the presser when he said you have to give UAr credit for continuing to play hard right up to the end; but even then he couldn't just congratulate them without throwing one of his players under the bus and saying that's what you get from freshmen... totally distancing himself from any responsibility for the loss, and apparently forgetting that it's his own recruiting model that keeps so many inexperienced players on the floor for every game every year in the first place.

I know he's your coach and all, so sticking up for him is par for the course; we all do it... but if he was still coaching at Memphis, UK fans would be like the fans of most of the other DI teams and consider it a pussy move.

This is actually one of the most ridiculous, idiotic and absurd posts I have ever read and I even stopped a couple of lines in.

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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 19 January 2014 - 04:10 AM, said:



Don't be ridiculous, I don't even hate UK at all; I hate Cal.

And would you like to know the history behind the hate for that whiny, overrated c**t?

You. You, the other UK fans, and Rupp Rafters are what convinced me he was a worthless, underhanded POS.

As you know, Gator fans, including me, didn't care much about basketball prior to UF having some real, repeated success.

I didn't even know who Cal was in 2005 and earlier, and couldn't have given 2 Posted Images. And I damn sure didn't know who World Wide Wes was.

But you UK guys started thread after thread about those 2, what sorry cheaters they were, and how scummy recruiting in and around Memphis was.

Y'all told everybody on this site that he and Wes represented everything that was wrong with collegiate basketball.

So, at the time I already read a lot of other teams' sites, and intrigued, decided to go check out Rupp Rafters to read more about those 2.

It was an unrepentant bash-fest, and more than a few Blue fans said at the time that UK would never lower their standards enough to employ something like that.

You remember that guy that used to post his UK rant vids all the time? I can't remember his handle/screename right offhand, but he had several "shows" specifically about Cal, Wes, and Memphis.

Hell, PT, when none of us around here even knew what you were talking about, you yourself educated us with several posts, articles, and links about nefarious recruiting practices by Wes and suggested the NCAA needed to hurry up and do something about those 2... and they eventually did.

So I'll be happy to climb down off my soapbox when you guys put away your irony board and quit being the ultimate hypocrites... because only a handful of folks on this site would even know they were supposed to hate Cal without UK fans telling us we should, and proving why repeatedly over the years with examples of all the underhanded Posted Image they pulled.

I never once said ANYTHING about Cal pre-UK and (once again) stop generalizing about "all UK fans" in their ranting about Cal at Memphis.  Anecdotal stories ARE A SIGN OF IGNORANCE.

If there were UK fans that didn't want Cal (and there were some) that feeling is certainly different now.  He goes out of his way to be an ambassador for our program, our university, the community and the state of Kentucky....hell, he's even done things on a national/global scale with using his position as the UK basketball coach to raise a BOATLOAD of money from Wildcats fans for Haiti and for the NE (Hurricane Sandy).  Two of his previous players (Wall & Cousins) donated a million dollars each this past year when they signed their new contracts.  Cal help develop them as men AND players and their generosity is a direct reflection of his relationship and teachings.  Cal gets bashed at times by ignorant people but once the TRUTH is known about what he stands for....if you still "hate" it makes you look like a jealous, foolish, hater.

But if you wanna continue with your story of all the "whining" that he does (that nobody else must do), knock yourself out.  Kentucky fans know that Cal ALWAYS puts the blame on his coaching and the fact that he's coaching KIDS as the reason for mistakes and he ALWAYS gives credit to the other team.  Any other description of his "coaching style" is simply....BS.

Cal has been ridiculously successful at UK because it's the perfect storm.  You don't like that?  Good.  That means he's doing it right.
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Marshall Henderson shouldn't even be on a roster anywhere. It still amazes me that OM fans keep defending him. I have 0 respect for Andy Kennedy
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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 19 January 2014 - 04:10 AM, said:



Don't be ridiculous, I don't even hate UK at all; I hate Cal.

And would you like to know the history behind the hate for that whiny, overrated c**t?

You. You, the other UK fans, and Rupp Rafters are what convinced me he was a worthless, underhanded POS.

As you know, Gator fans, including me, didn't care much about basketball prior to UF having some real, repeated success.

I didn't even know who Cal was in 2005 and earlier, and couldn't have given 2 Posted Images. And I damn sure didn't know who World Wide Wes was.

But you UK guys started thread after thread about those 2, what sorry cheaters they were, and how scummy recruiting in and around Memphis was.

Y'all told everybody on this site that he and Wes represented everything that was wrong with collegiate basketball.

So, at the time I already read a lot of other teams' sites, and intrigued, decided to go check out Rupp Rafters to read more about those 2.

It was an unrepentant bash-fest, and more than a few Blue fans said at the time that UK would never lower their standards enough to employ something like that.

You remember that guy that used to post his UK rant vids all the time? I can't remember his handle/screename right offhand, but he had several "shows" specifically about Cal, Wes, and Memphis.

Hell, PT, when none of us around here even knew what you were talking about, you yourself educated us with several posts, articles, and links about nefarious recruiting practices by Wes and suggested the NCAA needed to hurry up and do something about those 2... and they eventually did.

So I'll be happy to climb down off my soapbox when you guys put away your irony board and quit being the ultimate hypocrites... because only a handful of folks on this site would even know they were supposed to hate Cal without UK fans telling us we should, and proving why repeatedly over the years with examples of all the underhanded Posted Image they pulled.
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View PostSECats, on 19 January 2014 - 05:26 AM, said:



I never once said ANYTHING about Cal pre-UK and (once again) stop generalizing about "all UK fans" in their ranting about Cal at Memphis.  Anecdotal stories ARE A SIGN OF IGNORANCE.

If there were UK fans that didn't want Cal (and there were some) that feeling is certainly different now.  He goes out of his way to be an ambassador for our program, our university, the community and the state of Kentucky....hell, he's even done things on a national/global scale with using his position as the UK basketball coach to raise a BOATLOAD of money from Wildcats fans for Haiti and for the NE (Hurricane Sandy).  Two of his previous players (Wall & Cousins) donated a million dollars each this past year when they signed their new contracts.  Cal help develop them as men AND players and their generosity is a direct reflection of his relationship and teachings.  Cal gets bashed at times by ignorant people but once the TRUTH is known about what he stands for....if you still "hate" it makes you look like a jealous, foolish, hater.

But if you wanna continue with your story of all the "whining" that he does (that nobody else must do), knock yourself out.  Kentucky fans know that Cal ALWAYS puts the blame on his coaching and the fact that he's coaching KIDS as the reason for mistakes and he ALWAYS gives credit to the other team.  Any other description of his "coaching style" is simply....BS.

Cal has been ridiculously successful at UK because it's the perfect storm.  You don't like that?  Good.  That means he's doing it right.
bingo.  Cal has done a lot for this state and this is only his fifth year. His charities and donations are beyond generous.  The only coach in my lifetime whos been a more quality as ambassador for the Bluegrass is Joe B.  Coach Rupp is obviously in his own stratosphere.

Cal came and changed opinions.  It's easy to judge from the outside and many of us were wrong for doing it.  Doesn't mean we can't have our minds changed once we get to know the man.  All you have to do is go down to Wheeler's and talk to him.
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View PostSECats, on 19 January 2014 - 05:08 AM, said:



This is actually one of the most ridiculous, idiotic and absurd posts I have ever read and I even stopped a couple of lines in.

Lmao

Hater b!tch.

You didn't even join the site until 2010; so you have no clue how much bs was posted by UK fans about Cal and Memphis in the 4 or 5 years prior.

What's funny is you're so defensive that it doesn't even occur to you that it was my respect for the UK program and support for the SEC that made me give some credence to what UK fans said about him, and believe all the allegations in the 1st place.

That's hardly hate and it damn sure isn't worthy of being called a bitch; but I've learned to temper my expectations when it comes to the content of your "contributions".

View PostPuddingTime, on 19 January 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

he's our coach and he wins games.  We've done the research and the man is clean.  We were wrong before, so what?

At least you own it. You know damn well that I've consistently called Bama and UK the Godfathers of their sports in the SEC for years in here.

I didn't know jack Posted Image about Cal before I joined this site and Rivals.

I read what UK fans brought to the table, because they did some extensive homework on the topic, and the vast majority would have dropped the guy from Rupp's rafters and not thought twice about it, except to be concerned if he'd damage the court below.

If some UK fans have changed their minds, that's their prerogative; but they're also jaded at this point, and just because y'all feel differently because he's beneficial for your program doesn't erase any of the Posted Image he did or continues to do.

And it damn sure doesn't mean any of the rest of us have to change our minds that you worked so hard to inform in the first place. I still think he represents everything that's wrong with collegiate athletics and recruiting.

If he's convinced you that it's okay if kids can't read their contract, pay stub, or endorse their own paycheck because he can get them millions of dollars right away, you're entitled to agree. I don't, that's all.

It's just like with Kiffin; he's not suddenly an upstanding pillar of society and the coaching profession simply because Bama hired him.

If UK hired Petrino away from UL in a couple of years, he wouldn't cease to be a POS based solely on who writes his paycheck.

I don't alter my opinions based solely on geography or employer.

When we hired Muschamp, I hated the guy, but not because he was a scumbag, a cheater, or had character defects; I hated him because all of his defenses used to wreak havoc on UF. So liking him now is just a case of appreciating that he's now doing that for us instead of against us.
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View Postjacobp, on 19 January 2014 - 08:04 AM, said:

Marshall Henderson shouldn't even be on a roster anywhere. It still amazes me that OM fans keep defending him. I have 0 respect for Andy Kennedy

Agreed; I don't like lots of coaches, and Kennedy is definitely one of them.

I have a hard time believing most coaches would put up with Hendrson's nonsense.

I don't know every team's coaches that well, but I can't imagine BD or most other coaches putting up with that kid's BS for very long, especially all that disrespecting other programs and their fans... I'm quite certain he'd say something along the lines of "Beat them with your play on the court, and quit with all the childish Posted Image.". In fact, I know that's what he'd say because he said it to Noah, and got that kid to focus more on his game than the outside distractions.

But Kennedy kind of seems like that outlaw coach, so straightening out an outlaw player doesn't seem likely.

Players frequently emulate or mimic the behavior or attitudes of their coach, and Henderson was already way out there, so expecting much change from him was unlikely.

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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 19 January 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Agreed; I don't like lots of coaches, and Kennedy is definitely one of them.

I have a hard time believing most coaches would put up with Hendrson's nonsense.

I don't know every team's coaches that well, but I can't imagine BD or most other coaches putting up with that kid's BS for very long, especially all that disrespecting other programs and their fans... I'm quite certain he'd say something along the lines of "Beat them with your play on the court, and quit with all the childish Posted Image.". In fact, I know that's what he'd say because he said it to Noah, and got that kid to focus more on his game than the outside distractions.

But Kennedy kind of seems like that outlaw coach, so straightening out an outlaw player doesn't seem likely.

Players frequently emulate or mimic the behavior or attitudes of their coach, and Henderson was already way out there, so expecting much change from him was unlikely.
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One of our new signees that will be coming in next year is in Junior College, he played at FAU last year, and has an insane vertical and is pretty damn good beyond the arc. Both him and Henderson transferred from 4 year schools to junior colleges because of drug-related suspensions. It'll be like Henderson was never gone haha.
I have said this before, and will say this again, if Henderson was on any other team I would be just as big of a hater of him as many of y'all are. But he's a Ole Miss Rebel, and we basically live and die by his performance in some games so I am kinda obligated to defend him lol.
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I'm a day late, but HFS is right on the money as far as how bad it is that the two flagship universities in the state of Alabama have basketball programs that are in such sad shape. Both schools have the resources at their disposal to be top 25-40 programs on a yearly basis, which isn't setting the standard to an unattainable level at all. Both athletic programs have gotten too comfortable accepting mediocrity in men's hoops by making meh hires like Jeff Lebo or doing an awful job at promoting the program like Alabama has done under Anthony Grant.

Anyone want to guess who the second winningest basketball program is in the SEC, behind Kentucky?

It's not Florida.

Not Arkansas.

Not Vandy, Tennessee, or LSU.

It's Alabama.

So don't tell me for a minute that a Tier 1 football powerhouse can't also be a Tier 2 or 3 perrenial power in basketball, too.
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View Postadfalcon, on 19 January 2014 - 01:59 PM, said:


You know what I find hilarious?
One of our new signees that will be coming in next year is in Junior College, he played at FAU last year, and has an insane vertical and is pretty damn good beyond the arc. Both him and Henderson transferred from 4 year schools to junior colleges because of drug-related suspensions. It'll be like Henderson was never gone haha.
I have said this before, and will say this again, if Henderson was on any other team I would be just as big of a hater of him as many of y'all are. But he's a Ole Miss Rebel, and we basically live and die by his performance in some games so I am kinda obligated to defend him lol.

That's cool; I have no problem with that, and everyone's capable of redemption if they make the most of their 2nd chance and change.

Hell, it doesn't even bother me that it was drugs that got them going down the wrong path to begin with; that can be addressed and fixed.

It's the 'tude I have a problem with; and maybe the new JUCO won't be an asshole like Henderson. I wouldn't even be hard on Henderson if he wasn't still getting in the same kind of trouble and still acting the fool.

Your other players rally around him because much like the fans, they're essentially obligated to out of a sense of team loyalty (he might be a douche, but he's OUR douche).

Henderson might be one of those athletes who uses other folks' impressions of him as his incentive; at this point he may think he can't play well without the hate motivating him. What's sad is he does have skills; but will never find out if he can still play without the hate until he tries. That's what's supposed to happen in college.


It really is very much like Noah. He was ridiculed a lot as a kid in New York because he was awkward, uncoordinated, and just not particularly talented.

He came to UF with not a chip, but a boulder on his shoulder. And he didn't get rid of it right away, either; that was an enormous undertaking on BD's part. When the other players in his 2004 class started getting more playing time, Noah was still getting left out; and he nearly left the program. Instead he took BD's advice, painful truth and all, bought in and committed himself to improve in all the areas outlined by Billy.

Soon the kid was a working freak who was first to practice and still there hours after everybody else had left. Assistant coaches reported that every time they walked by the gym, he was in there. When other players were out on the town having dinner or partying, Joakim was in the gym running wind sprints, shooting FT's, or trying to get pickup games started with anybody walking by.

Eventually he became the hardest worker on the team and gave Billy no choice but to give him PT; he had not only earned it, but all the work had improved his game to the point where it couldn't be ignored. And it showed on the court, and still does to this day... he still has that hardest worker ethic. The kid is 6'11" and still dives and fights for loose balls, makes steals that are typically expected from quick guards, and puts in work every night. Without the God-given talent, that kind of effort was the only way he was going to be able to compete at the levels he wanted to inhabit... but it took him swallowing that bitter pill from BD all those years ago, and taking the advice to get there.
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View PostGatorUnvrsty, on 19 January 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

That's cool; I have no problem with that, and everyone's capable of redemption if they make the most of their 2nd chance and change.

Hell, it doesn't even bother me that it was drugs that got them going down the wrong path to begin with; that can be addressed and fixed.

It's the 'tude I have a problem with; and maybe the new JUCO won't be an asshole like Henderson. I wouldn't even be hard on Henderson if he wasn't still getting in the same kind of trouble and still acting the fool.

Your other players rally around him because much like the fans, they're essentially obligated to out of a sense of team loyalty (he might be a douche, but he's OUR douche).

Henderson might be one of those athletes who uses other folks' impressions of him as his incentive; at this point he may think he can't play well without the hate motivating him. What's sad is he does have skills; but will never find out if he can still play without the hate until he tries. That's what's supposed to happen in college.


It really is very much like Noah. He was ridiculed a lot as a kid in New York because he was awkward, uncoordinated, and just not particularly talented.

He came to UF with not a chip, but a boulder on his shoulder. And he didn't get rid of it right away, either; that was an enormous undertaking on BD's part. When the other players in his 2004 class started getting more playing time, Noah was still getting left out; and he nearly left the program. Instead he took BD's advice, painful truth and all, bought in and committed himself to improve in all the areas outlined by Billy.

Soon the kid was a working freak who was first to practice and still there hours after everybody else had left. Assistant coaches reported that every time they walked by the gym, he was in there. When other players were out on the town having dinner or partying, Joakim was in the gym running wind sprints, shooting FT's, or trying to get pickup games started with anybody walking by.

Eventually he became the hardest worker on the team and gave Billy no choice but to give him PT; he had not only earned it, but all the work had improved his game to the point where it couldn't be ignored. And it showed on the court, and still does to this day... he still has that hardest worker ethic. The kid is 6'11" and still dives and fights for loose balls, makes steals that are typically expected from quick guards, and puts in work every night. Without the God-given talent, that kind of effort was the only way he was going to be able to compete at the levels he wanted to inhabit... but it took him swallowing that bitter pill from BD all those years ago, and taking the advice to get there.
Henderson's biggest change from last year to this year is his maturity, according to several players and Kennedy. He has turned into a leader in the locker room, has really improved his offseason antics, and has been supporting the team. He is the hardest worker in workouts, and the most motivated in practice. Watch a game, Henderson is the first to celebrate with a team mate, the first to criticize himself and others, the first one back on defense, the first one ahead on offense. Yes he still does little small things on the court, but he isn't nearly as showboaty and cocky as he was last year.

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In fact, the only time I have seen Henderson's emotions come unchecked this year was when he hit a huge three vs LSU.
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View PostHFS, on 18 January 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

That's the perception, but the reality is we put as much money into the basketball program as anyone except the big 4.

Who are the Big4?

Kentucky, Arkansas, Florida, ?






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