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And I wouldn't plea to anything. The da has taken it too far for that. The only way he doesn't walk is if he's railroaded.

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View Postnova, on 25 June 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

And I wouldn't plea to anything. The da has taken it too far for that. The only way he doesn't walk is if he's railroaded.

And since everyone expects him to get railroaded the DA is safe.

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View Postnova, on 25 June 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:



If you can't escape, like say if someone is on top of you beating you, then it's still legal self defense regardless of stand your ground. Did you notice they didn't even request a stand your ground hearing?

The authors of the stand your ground law in Florida even said their law wouldn't apply to him. Wasn't you last year that mentioned the "fighting words" agrument about how you can't start a fight and then claim self defense if you get your ass kicked?

After looking at his head, I don't doubt that he was getting his ass kicked. But he was getting it kicked after doing something he shouldn't have been. Like I said last year, it's not murder, but if he walks, it's giving him a pass for being a nosey prick and ignoring law enforcement.
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 25 June 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

However, at the end of the day you have an unarmed teen that's dead and the man that shot him did so after doing something he was specifically told not to do. If I had to put money on it, he takes a plea mid way through if things don't look good and he gets less than 10 years


Allow me to lend you my expertise.

911 dispatchers are NOT law enforcement nor do they have ANY authority to tell you not to do ANYTHING. Zimmerman was well within his rights to follow Martin around the neighborhood. How is it that people keep forgetting this fact?

It's not illegal to follow someone. Here in SC, I could follow you everywhere all day long and there's nothing you or anyone else that can do anything about it.

Also, the assailant doesn't have to be armed to be able to claim self-defense. Everyone seems to be missing that fact as well. As long as Zimmerman was in fear for his safety, he does NOT have a duty to retreat so deadly force is authorized.
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View PostNeo, on 25 June 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:




Allow me to lend you my expertise.

911 dispatchers are NOT law enforcement nor do they have ANY authority to tell you not to do ANYTHING. Zimmerman was well within his rights to follow Martin around the neighborhood. How is it that people keep forgetting this fact?

It's not illegal to follow someone. Here in SC, I could follow you everywhere all day long and there's nothing you or anyone else that can do anything about it.

Also, the assailant doesn't have to be armed to be able to claim self-defense. Everyone seems to be missing that fact as well. As long as Zimmerman was in fear for his safety, he does NOT have a duty to retreat so deadly force is authorized.

It's not illegal for me to insult a stranger's wife either, but if he decks me for doing so, no one is going to feel sorry for me.

The guy was harassing the kid. People are quick to point out his right to self defense, yet what about Treyvon's rights?

I think Zimmerman did a good thing by calling the cops when he saw someone he didn't know that might have been up to something. But that's where his duty as a citizen stops. He shouldn't have and was told not to follow Martin. He started something and then got his ass kicked by a kid walking home. If he didn't have a gun, maybe Martin would be on trial today.

Looks like he won't do nearly as much time, if any, for actions that caused the death of a teen. I'm still waiting to hear how he had a cwp after being arrested 3 times. Regardless, Zimmerman was wrong for doing what he did
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 25 June 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

It's not illegal for me to insult a stranger's wife either, but if he decks me for doing so, no one is going to feel sorry for me.

The guy was harassing the kid. People are quick to point out his right to self defense, yet what about Treyvon's rights?

I think Zimmerman did a good thing by calling the cops when he saw someone he didn't know that might have been up to something. But that's where his duty as a citizen stops. He shouldn't have and was told not to follow Martin. He started something and then got his ass kicked by a kid walking home. If he didn't have a gun, maybe Martin would be on trial today.

Looks like he won't do nearly as much time, if any, for actions that caused the death of a teen. I'm still waiting to hear how he had a cwp after being arrested 3 times. Regardless, Zimmerman was wrong for doing what he did

The place that says he was arrested 3 times is wrong. He was arrested once in 2005 with the charges waived when he entered AA.

In 2005 he and his fiance put restraining orders on each other in a he said she said. In 2006 he beat a speeding ticket.

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Why is the fact martin bought skittles and arizona watermelon fruit cocktail to mix with cough syrup and make Purple Drank never mentioned. His facebook was full of references to lean, purple drank and sizzurp.

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View Postsmokeyone, on 25 June 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

Why is the fact martin bought skittles and arizona watermelon fruit cocktail to mix with cough syrup and make Purple Drank never mentioned. His facebook was full of references to lean, purple drank and sizzurp.

Because Zimmerman didn't know that. Martin's personal life seems pretty irrelevant and the courts agreed. Nice try to put the dead kid on trial though.
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 25 June 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

It's not illegal for me to insult a stranger's wife either, but if he decks me for doing so, no one is going to feel sorry for me.

Then a crime has been committed. It's called battery.


View PostNextYearIsHere, on 25 June 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

The guy was harassing the kid. People are quick to point out his right to self defense, yet what about Treyvon's rights?


Following the kid while on the phone with 911 is hardly harassing. This is not a crime no matter how much you want it to be.


View PostNextYearIsHere, on 25 June 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

I think Zimmerman did a good thing by calling the cops when he saw someone he didn't know that might have been up to something. But that's where his duty as a citizen stops. He shouldn't have and was told not to follow Martin. He started something and then got his ass kicked by a kid walking home. If he didn't have a gun, maybe Martin would be on trial today.


Like I said, 911 dispatchers have ZERO legal authority to make you do a damn thing. You as a citizen, do not have to cease and desist. If you suspect that a crime is being committed, you can take those matters into your hands if you witness the criminal act.

We don't know what occurred, but going by the facts, they tend to lean towards Zimmerman's version of the facts. Secondly, on the flip-side, maybe if Martin had not committed a crime (Assault and Battery with malicious intent), he would be alive today.


View PostNextYearIsHere, on 25 June 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Looks like he won't do nearly as much time, if any, for actions that caused the death of a teen. I'm still waiting to hear how he had a cwp after being arrested 3 times. Regardless, Zimmerman was wrong for doing what he did


This is your supposition and yet, it is not conducive to the facts.

As for being arrested, you can be arrested and charged with a crime and still own a CWP. it just depends on the nature of the crime and such.

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He was a black kid in a hoodie. Why is this even going to trial? Give ZIm the CMH and be done with it.

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View Postsmokeyone, on 25 June 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

Why is the fact martin bought skittles and arizona watermelon fruit cocktail to mix with cough syrup and make Purple Drank never mentioned. His facebook was full of references to lean, purple drank and sizzurp.


To be honest Smokey, I hate to agree with NYIH, but that's irrelevent in a court of law. That has nothing to do with this case.

The only way that will come into play is if the prosecution brings up Martin or uses witinesses to describe Martin's character and you can bet, they WILL NOT open that door.
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View Postzartan, on 25 June 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

He was a black kid in a hoodie. Why is this even going to trial? Give ZIm the CMH and be done with it.

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View PostNeo, on 25 June 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

To be honest Smokey, I hate to agree with NYIH, but that's irrelevent in a court of law. That has nothing to do with this case.

The only way that will come into play is if the prosecution brings up Martin or uses witinesses to describe Martin's character and you can bet, they WILL NOT open that door.

In the court of public opinion it matters just as much as pictures of martin when he was 11. It matters just as much as Zimmerman beating a speeding ticket in 2006. This kid was a walking statistic living the thug life.

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I know they're not law enforcement officials, but the 911 dispatcher said to leave it alone and that a police officer would be on scene shortly. There's a reason they're 911 operators..they're trained to advise you in such situations. It should be law to follow their directions if you ask me, but whatever.

If he had listened to the 911 dispatcher, none of this even happens. Zimmerman's a retard, the killing being self defense or not. Should have never come down to it.

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View PostTitans4Vols, on 25 June 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

I know they're not law enforcement officials, but the 911 dispatcher said to leave it alone and that a police officer would be on scene shortly. There's a reason they're 911 operators..they're trained to advise you in such situations. It should be law to follow their directions if you ask me, but whatever.


HAHAHAHAHAHA!  Are you serious? You're joking right?

A 911 operator knows exactly DIDDLY SQUAT! Since we're offering quotes, let's look at the operator's quote;

"we don't need you to do that."

Just for argument's sake, that's hardly a command like that matters.

They're not there, they don't know what's going on....nothing. They go by only what they're told which can vary person to person based on perception.

As a former LEO, I can assure you that there are quite a few 911 operators that couldn't cook a pack of Ramen Noodles, let alone advise someone on a situation that is based on hearsay to say the least.
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