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Veterans Receive Letters From VA Prohibiting Ownership or Purchase of Firearms

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View Postzartan, on 23 February 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:



You hide and watch. You didn't foresee re-election, either


How many of these loyal Democrats voted for Obama's budget? Can you guess?


ZERO!  

This governmental "power grab" was dead before the debate started.
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View PostDawgy_Style, on 22 February 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

People take oaths all of the time. In court, you can be charged for perjury for lying under oath. People still lie.
Until they can get their kickbacks for a false PTSD diagnoses.
Good luck proving you don't have PTSD. Again, this isn't like a rash. It is an opinionated illness. There isn't a set guideline for diagnosing PTSD.
I didn't think idiots would be stupid enough to reelect Barack Hussein Obama, but shit happens.
Here's the patented liberal slant. Someone that doesn't want to create a system that can easily be abused obviously wants to arm crazy people.

So because people have lied in the past, we now can never trust doctors? Cool story, bro.
The burden of proof isn't in proving you don't have PTSD, you've got that backwards.
And its go nothing to do with being liberal, you people just don't want to do anything about the gun problem. You don't care. Even when you say guns aren't the problem, crazy people are the problem, you still won't do anything about the crazy people.
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View PostNeo, on 23 February 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

How many of these loyal Democrats voted for Obama's budget? Can you guess?
ZERO!  
This governmental "power grab" was dead before the debate started.

Obama has never submitted a budget for them to vote on. Yet again you're reporting the GOP talking point of "Obama's budget" which was written by a Republican as a way to say no one likes his plan.
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 22 February 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Last I checked, there was nothing that said you had to go to a government doctor. And even if you did, doctors aren't just going to lie. If for no other reason than being sued. But I'm glad to see you're fine with giving weapons to people with mental and emotional problems. I thought that's what conservatives wanted to prevent.

So only veterans can have mental or emotional problems and not be allowed guns?  Why are veterans the only group you mention?
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View PostECDawg, on 23 February 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

So only veterans can have mental or emotional problems and not be allowed guns?  Why are veterans the only group you mention?

Nice try. that's the only group we've mentioned in here. You can go dig up my past posts and see where I said people on serious anti-psychotics or anti-depressants should also be evaluated as a potential risk when it comes to gun buying.
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 23 February 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

And its go nothing to do with being liberal, you people just don't want to do anything about the gun problem. You don't care. Even when you say guns aren't the problem, crazy people are the problem, you still won't do anything about the crazy people.

To use the words "gun problem" shows your ignorance.  We don't have a "baseball bat problem" when a guy beats someone to death with one in the commission of a crime.  When some guy downtown stabs another to death with 15 or more stab wounds, we don't have a "knife problem".
And when veterans are potential being denied ownership of a firearm, we don't have a returning "veteran problem".

You liberals refuse to put mental illness, the primary cause of mass shootings and other mass killings, as the PRIMARY and LARGEST cause by far of murder on a large scale.  Over 99% of guns, even so called assault weapons that are LEGALLY owned, will never be used in a commission of a crime.

Yet you clowns want to go EXCLUSIVELY AFTER THE GUNS FIRST.  You are all so damned naive and many of your friends and family will die as a result if you are successful.............
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View PostECDawg, on 23 February 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

To use the words "gun problem" shows your ignorance.  We don't have a "baseball bat problem" when a guy beats someone to death with one in the commission of a crime.  When some guy downtown stabs another to death with 15 or more stab wounds, we don't have a "knife problem".
And when veterans are potential being denied ownership of a firearm, we don't have a returning "veteran problem".

You liberals refuse to put mental illness, the primary cause of mass shootings and other mass killings, as the PRIMARY and LARGEST cause by far of murder on a large scale.  Over 99% of guns, even so called assault weapons that are LEGALLY owned, will never be used in a commission of a crime.

Yet you clowns want to go EXCLUSIVELY AFTER THE GUNS FIRST.  You are all so damned naive and many of your friends and family will die as a result if you are successful.............

We had a gun problem. The country is teeming with them and that allows people that have no business possessing them easy access. And I like how your paranoid self threw family and friends in there, cause you're far more likely to harm them or yourself than you are to use your gun in protecting yourself.

Also, NO ONE IS GOING AFTER THE GUNS. That is the red herring gun nuts keep sighting. It's all about ACCESS TO GUNS and that's what needs to be restricted. No purchases without background checks, which should cover criminal and mental health. Period, end of story

Edited by NextYearIsHere, 23 February 2013 - 05:21 PM.

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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 23 February 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

Nice try. that's the only group we've mentioned in here. You can go dig up my past posts and see where I said people on serious anti-psychotics or anti-depressants should also be evaluated as a potential risk when it comes to gun buying.

Really? They have to be on drugs before you consider getting them off the streets to protect the public at large.  There are batshit crazy people roaming the streets everywhere that are not on drugs............what about that old bastard that shot that bus driver and kidnapped that kid in Alabama a couple of weeks ago as a single example..............was he on medication?
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View PostECDawg, on 23 February 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

Really? They have to be on drugs before you consider getting them off the streets to protect the public at large.  There are batshit crazy people roaming the streets everywhere that are not on drugs............what about that old bastard that shot that bus driver and kidnapped that kid in Alabama a couple of weeks ago as a single example..............was he on medication?

What about the guy with a clear cut case of PTSD that killed the American Sniper dude?

Your argument is invalid because you're not making one. You're just trying to stop anything helpful from being done. So what if we can't stop all the crazy folks from getting guns, we can at least stop some.
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We've already seen that you don't trust some commie doctor who might diagnose you as a loonie and take away your precious penis substitutes.

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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 23 February 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

So because people have lied in the past, we now can never trust doctors? Cool story, bro.
The burden of proof isn't in proving you don't have PTSD, you've got that backwards.
And its go nothing to do with being liberal, you people just don't want to do anything about the gun problem. You don't care. Even when you say guns aren't the problem, crazy people are the problem, you still won't do anything about the crazy people.

-I've had 1 doctor and 1 dentist lie to me just so they can get me back into their office. Is it really that much of a stretch to believe that a doctor would say someone has PTSD so they could get them monthly visits to "monitor" changes in their condition?

-Bullshit. You can say, "hey, I'm perfectly okay" and then they'll come back with "Well, we have a qualified doctor that says you're not okay". Goodbye 2nd Amendment.

-If you read the Ron Paul quote in my signature, you would find what I believe to be the best solution. It all starts with the family. If Adam Lanza's mother and father gave a shit about him, Sandy Hook probably wouldn't have happened. I'm perfectly fine with not allowing the guy that says the man in his head told him to buy a gun.

And people with PTSD aren't inherently crazy, they shouldn't all be lumped in as crazy. 15 years ago, PTSD was called flashbacks. People were perfectly normal until something sets them off. PTSD could be as simple as not being able to deal with the fact that you had to take someones life in a battle. Rarely is it people that can't seem to disengage from being military killing machines.

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View Postzartan, on 23 February 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

You're all full of crap, Righties

The best illustration of why it is impossible to hold a civil, respectable or open minded discussion with most liberals.

When they run out of ideas, they always turn to the personal admonishment.
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View PostECDawg, on 24 February 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:


The best illustration of why it is impossible to hold a civil, respectable or open minded discussion with most liberals.

When they run out of ideas, they always turn to the personal admonishment.

And a few posts ago, you were calling us ignorant and naive
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View PostECDawg, on 24 February 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

The best illustration of why it is impossible to hold a civil, respectable or open minded discussion with most liberals.

When they run out of ideas, they always turn to the personal admonishment.

You insinuated that I was targeting the military when it comes to gun ownership bans. Yeah, real respectable.
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 24 February 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

You insinuated that I was targeting the military when it comes to gun ownership bans. Yeah, real respectable.

That's kind of what this thread is about.

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