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Disturbing Report: Veterans are receiving letters from VA prohibiting the ownership or purchase of firearms


Written By Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.

How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.

Obviously, the Department of Veterans Affairs can’t be bothered by such impediments as the Constitution, particularly since they are clearly pushing to fulfill one of Obama’s main goals, the disarming of the American people. Janet Napolitano has already warned law enforcement that some of the most dangerous among us are America’s heroes, our veterans, and now according to this letter from the VA they can be prohibited from buying or even possessing a firearm because of a physical or mental disability.

Think about it, the men and women who have laid their lives on the line to defend us and our Constitution are now having their own Constitutional rights denied. There are no clear criteria for the VA to declare a veteran incompetent. It can be the loss of a limb in combat, a head injury, a diagnosis of PTSD, or even a soldier just telling someone at the VA that he or she is depressed over the loss of a buddy in combat. In none of these situations has the person been found to be a danger to themselves or others. If that was the case than all of the Americans who have suffered from PTSD following the loss of a loved one or from being in a car accident would also have to be disqualified from owning firearms. It would also mean that everyone who has ever been depressed for any reason should be disarmed. In fact, many of the veterans being deprived of their rights have no idea why it is happening.

The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors.

The reality is that Obama will not get all of the gun control measures he wants through Congress, and they wouldn’t be enough for him anyway. He wants a totally disarmed America so there will be no resistance to his plans to rob us of our nation. That means we have to ask who will be next. If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership. It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.

-- Michael Connelly, J.D.
Executive Director, United States Justice Foundation



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Veterans Receive Letters From VA Prohibiting Ownership or Purchase of Firearms


Posted by Jim Hoft


This must be Barack Obama’s way of thanking our veterans for serving.

US veterans are receiving letters from the government informing them that they are disabled and not allowed to own, purchase or possess a firearm. If the veteran does decide to purchase a firearm he will by fined, imprisoned or both.
This comes on page 2 of the VA letter.
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Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D. reported this at Red Flag News.


How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me.


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Funny how you only have 2 paragraphs posted. Sounds to me like the letter is saying "if" you are found incompetent, not that you automatically are incompetent.

And btw, keeping guns out of the hands of people with PTSD until a doctor clears them is a good thing.
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 22 February 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Funny how you only have 2 paragraphs posted. Sounds to me like the letter is saying "if" you are found incompetent, not that you automatically are incompetent.

And btw, keeping guns out of the hands of people with PTSD until a doctor clears them is a good thing.

PTSD is subjective. There aren't any clear symptoms and some may not manifest for months or years? What would stop them from saying every combat veteran must have PTSD?

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View PostDawgy_Style, on 22 February 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:



PTSD is subjective. There aren't any clear symptoms and some may not manifest for months or years? What would stop them from saying every combat veteran must have PTSD?

Doctors.
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 22 February 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Doctors.

You mean government doctors that will do whats in the best interest of their employers?

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View PostDawgy_Style, on 22 February 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:



You mean government doctors that will do whats in the best interest of their employers?

Aaaaand now we see why all this outcry for mental health outreach instead of tighter gun laws is horseshit
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View PostDawgy_Style, on 22 February 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

You mean government doctors that will do whats in the best interest of their employers?

Last I checked, there was nothing that said you had to go to a government doctor. And even if you did, doctors aren't just going to lie. If for no other reason than being sued. But I'm glad to see you're fine with giving weapons to people with mental and emotional problems. I thought that's what conservatives wanted to prevent.
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 22 February 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Last I checked, there was nothing that said you had to go to a government doctor. And even if you did, doctors aren't just going to lie. If for no other reason than being sued. But I'm glad to see you're fine with giving weapons to people with mental and emotional problems. I thought that's what conservatives wanted to prevent.

What stops a doctor from being payed off? PTSD isn't a physical condition, it's mostly a mental condition. The diagnosis of PTSD is subjective, one doctor could say yes, the other could say no. One doctor could be a pretentious socialist liberal(Not that this happens much, most liberals just major in crap like liberal arts) that diagnoses everyone with PTSD to deny them the right to purchase firearms. Most people with PTSD are perfectly normal on the outside, it's not like a rash. I used to have a friend that served in Afghanistan, he came back and was just like he was before he left; shot guns played violent video games and then one day my other friend(his roommate) racked his gun and the guy flipped out and ran outside screaming. How do you diagnose that? It's virtually impossible, so what they're going to do(or say) is that PTSD is a natural human reaction in a combat environment and therefore, everybody that served must have some level of PTSD.

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View PostDawgy_Style, on 22 February 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

What stops a doctor from being payed off? PTSD isn't a physical condition, it's mostly a mental condition. The diagnosis of PTSD is subjective, one doctor could say yes, the other could say no. One doctor could be a pretentious socialist liberal(Not that this happens much, most liberals just major in crap like liberal arts) that diagnoses everyone with PTSD to deny them the right to purchase firearms. Most people with PTSD are perfectly normal on the outside, it's not like a rash. I used to have a friend that served in Afghanistan, he came back and was just like he was before he left; shot guns played violent video games and then one day my other friend(his roommate) racked his gun and the guy flipped out and ran outside screaming. How do you diagnose that? It's virtually impossible, so what they're going to do(or say) is that PTSD is a natural human reaction in a combat environment and therefore, everybody that served must have some level of PTSD.

Paid off? You do understand that doctors take oaths right? You also understand that no one, especially doctors, works for the government to get rich. Doctors also know what it is to be sued. And I doubt military doctors are going to start throwing their comrades under the bus for no reason.

Just admit it, you don't care if people with mental and emotional problems have guns.
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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 22 February 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

Paid off? You do understand that doctors take oaths right?

People take oaths all of the time. In court, you can be charged for perjury for lying under oath. People still lie.

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You also understand that no one, especially doctors, works for the government to get rich.

Until they can get their kickbacks for a false PTSD diagnoses.

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Doctors also know what it is to be sued. And I doubt military doctors are going to start throwing their comrades under the bus for no reason.

Good luck proving you don't have PTSD. Again, this isn't like a rash. It is an opinionated illness. There isn't a set guideline for diagnosing PTSD.

I didn't think idiots would be stupid enough to reelect Barack Hussein Obama, but shit happens.

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Just admit it, you don't care if people with mental and emotional problems have guns.

Here's the patented liberal slant. Someone that doesn't want to create a system that can easily be abused obviously wants to arm crazy people.

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View PostNextYearIsHere, on 22 February 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Funny how you only have 2 paragraphs posted. Sounds to me like the letter is saying "if" you are found incompetent, not that you automatically are incompetent.


There are two stories. I posted both of them with links provided.





View PostNextYearIsHere, on 22 February 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

And btw, keeping guns out of the hands of people with PTSD until a doctor clears them is a good thing



I'm not arguing that. What I am arguing is that the IMPERIAL GOVERNMENT are denying these vets a basic civil right of owning a weapon without due process. The fact is, these doctors work for the VA and we all know how competent they are and have been in the past.....

That's my gripe.

If the vet is believed to be incompetent, then great. Go to court and prove it to a judge. If it's easy like the government claims, then it should be a slam dunk.


I can also understand the subjectivity argument to PTSD as well. Not much is known about PTSD aka Shellshock. We really don't know how to treat, etc, etc.

Doctor's opinions vary from person to person. One doc may say yes, the other may say no.

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Strict gun laws and lax immigration policy are going to pass because Cons have no alternatives
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View Postzartan, on 23 February 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

Strict gun laws and lax immigration policy are going to pass because Cons have no alternatives

No they aren't. Because even most democrats aren't ready to jump aboard Obama's SS Dictator yet.

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No they aren't. Because even most democrats aren't ready to jump aboard Obama's SS Dictator yet.

You hide and watch. You didn't foresee re-election, either
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