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Whenever a problem becomes too obvious and people spend too much time speculating about the gravity or lack of it concerning the problem; somebody changes the subject. Witness the news shift from the Economy to Immigration Reform this week.

The Gang of Eight developed sweeping changes mirroring sweeping changes issued by others issuing sweeping changes over the years. This is simply put: –
1.) secure the border and better track people here on visas, create a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the U.S,
2.) reform the legal immigration system give green cards to immigrants who obtain advanced degrees in science, math, technology or engineering from an American university;
3.) Create an effective employment verification system to ensure employers don’t hire illegal immigrants and
4.) Allow more low-skill workers into the country, and then let employers hire immigrants if they (employers) can demonstrate they couldn’t recruit a U.S. citizen.

It all sounds so good but for the fact you’re still rewarding bad behaviors defined as criminal activity, i.e. the participation in Human Trafficking across U.S. borders. That’s still against the law isn’t it? For those who’d say the workers trafficked are victims it can only be said: stuff it! These people were not kidnapped and forced into servitude without hope. They paid Coyotes (human traffickers) money to be guided past Border Patrols and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). They’re complicit in this violation of American law and sovereignty.

Pundits would say this is a “disingenuous” effort at stabilizing paralleling efforts of both the left and right wings of Congress. I'd simply call it all a lie and be done with it. This is a poorly cloaked effort at granting amnesty to 11 MILLION illegal, unregistered, non-visa toting aliens who’ve already insulted the American people by crossing the border to steal money from out of work Americans.

For those saying Americans won’t work for the wages illegals will work for I’d say this: stop extending unemployment funds and wages endlessly by executive and congressional fiat and people (Americans) would start taking that $10 an hour job to support their families. Shut-up and work together on the economy.


This is no more than another bold attempt by Obama and his cronies to assure the 11 MILLION new voter cards reflect Democrat Party affiliation more often than that of the Republican party. This will assure Americans become members of a world state one day.

Obama, keep it up. Keep trying to undermine America’s greatness by polluting its voter base with illegitimate edicts and legislation obviating the law. It’ll backfire on you.
This style of Russian Roulette is a stupid game you play if you have a political death wish. Obama keeps putting another round in the cylinder after each empty snap of the trigger. Sooner than later the gun will go off.

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And your solution is?
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Granting amnesty to 11 MILLION illegal, unregistered, non-visa toting aliens who’ve already insulted the American people by crossing the border to steal money from out of work Americans doesn't seem to be a good solution for us.

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View PostKneesInTheBreeze, on 31 January 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Granting amnesty to 11 MILLION illegal, unregistered, non-visa toting aliens who’ve already insulted the American people by crossing the border to steal money from out of work Americans doesn't seem to be a good solution for us.

Okay. What is your counter-proposal?
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View Postzartan, on 31 January 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Okay. What is your counter-proposal?

Well, it ain't socialism, which you seem to embrace like it was a French whore.

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View PostKneesInTheBreeze, on 31 January 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:



Well, it ain't socialism, which you seem to embrace like it was a French whore.

You don't have a real answer, do you?
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View Postzartan, on 01 February 2013 - 05:30 AM, said:

You don't have a real answer, do you?

No.  Like you, I'm as dumb as a rock.

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View PostKneesInTheBreeze, on 31 January 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Granting amnesty to 11 MILLION illegal, unregistered, non-visa toting aliens who’ve already insulted the American people by crossing the border to steal money from out of work Americans doesn't seem to be a good solution for us.
Reagan granted amnesty to 3 illegals million back in the 80's, so I see no reason why a Republican like yourself is getting so butt hurt over this.

Republicans will need to tread very carefully on this issue. Y'all saw what heated rhetoric got Willard, didn't you?

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View Postbluelightstar, on 26 March 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

You aren't winning in Starkville, and Hugh Freeze is going to see what he's really started.

Engie's prediction on the M-State and Ole Miss 2013 Signing classes

View Postengie, on 30 April 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

Yet MSU will have 10 from that in the NFL -- and OM will be lucky to get 2 or 3.  

"We didn't play out of hatred for anyone. It was more of playing out of love for one another and this university." - Coach Freeze

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View Postzartan, on 31 January 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Okay. What is your counter-proposal?

The solution is simple but no politician (or very view) will touch it because they have to admit there are too many loopholes in the freebie distribution process thus costing the politician votes and or potential votes.
There was a time when people crossed the border illegally to come to work.  He would come over and be a day laborer and send money back to his family.  It was tough to find these laborers from mid December through mid January because they went home for the holidays.  He didn't make trouble because that would result in quick deportation and that meant no money for his family back home.  It wasn't a perfect system but it worked.  In the last 20 years and as welfare distribution became more and more lax that same worker is able to bring his family with him to the States and while he continues to work day labor jobs for cash, his wife and kids get to enjoy WIC and other programs of which they contribute nothing to.  They can also receive medical treatment while paying nothing and leave the bill to the American taxpayer.  Housing can be had for nothing with the right forgeries or people willing to apply for them.
Quite frankly if you remove the perks you eliminate their purpose for entering the country illegally.
America has allowed the debate to be framed by those who are breaking the law and those supporting those who are breaking the law.  It's turned from a legal issue to a racial/human rights issue.  When the mexican government is dictating the conversation there is a problem.  When American citizens side with foreign governments in regards to American sovereignty there is a big problem.
Politicians are scared to address it in this manner because it's "mean spirited" to tell people to do things the right and legal way.  In reality it's mean spirited to bankrupt the country in order to be reelected.
Strict rules for public assistance will help tremendously but that is such a non PC approach.
Is it really such a difficult problem to correct or are people just too chicken to do it?

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Bwahahahahahahahaaa.  I don't see any way around it but to make them citizens and make them pay taxes.  Maybe if the republicans pushed a Latino candidate that had conservative views on the subject.  Somebody like Miami Mayor Tomas Regalado.  Its not like the economy was fixed with magic beans and went away, the Repubs have to find the time to fix their broken party in the meanwhile.

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"without a more generous stance on immigration, Republicans will continue to lose Latino votes. And the fact is Republicans do not need to win 70%, or even 51%, of Latinos. If they could just get back to Bush’s 44% share, it could make a big difference. In 2012, it might have flipped the results in Colorado, Florida and Nevada, plus New Mexico and maybe even Virginia.

Like McCain, Mitt Romney had to disavow his previously progressive stance on immigration and appeal to the rigid right in the GOP primaries. He famously became the candidate of “self-deportation.” Perhaps, if he had not done that, he’d be in the White House today instead of sulking by the beach in La Jolla."

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View PostKneesInTheBreeze, on 01 February 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:


No.  Like you, I'm as dumb as a rock.

I'm not insulting you, man. I just wanted to know what you would do
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Obama has overseen record deportations, and record deportations of parents whose children are legal citizens.

Just so you all know
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