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[zartan]

I shoulda said 2004-08, but:

Firing the justices
Outing Valerie Plame
Abu Ghraib
Appointing Bolton during a recess
Attempting to sell our ports to the Muslims

[smokeyone]

zartan, on 29 January 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

I shoulda said 2004-08, but:

Firing the justices     standard practice only a story because of an ignorant media
Outing Valerie Plame  I hope thats a joke.
Abu Ghraib                   And Bush had what to do with that? I dont seem to recall his posing and those involved were punished.
Appointing Bolton during a recess   as long as it is recess its legal. Obama wasnt smart enough or too busy playing golf to check.
Attempting to sell our ports to the Muslims  Selling to the Muslims? Lets not pretend he sold us out to our enemies. I wasnt a fan of this but do you think that is on par with what I am taking about?

[zartan]

So you're a hack who only cares about corruption when Dems do it? I knew that already.

You lost, take your medicine like a man and stop whining

[smokeyone]

Corruption? Justices work at the pleasure of the President, what is corrupt about replacing them?
Plame was not out by Bush, Scooter Libby was convicted and fined, and given probation. Plames husband abused her position in the CIA long before Scooter did.
Abu Grab was not on Bush and those involved were punished. Compare it to Bengazi if you need to see the the diffence between corruption and whining.
Bush appointed a recess appointment, Obama tried to appoint unconfirmed nominees. See the difference? one is legal one isnt. the differnce between whining and corruption.

zartan, on 29 January 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

So you're a hack who only cares about corruption when Dems do it? I knew that already.

You lost, t

ake your medicine like a man and stop whining

[smokeyone]

oh and the port deal fell apart and was blocked. The system was allowed to work and it did. Look it up, I did.

The issue I have with Obama is an utter lack of accountablity. Federal agents getting killed in F&F, no biggy walk away and pretend it didnt happen. Bengazi, American state dept officials and an embassador killed, no biggy walk away it didnt happen. Illegally appoint people, doesnt matter no big deal no ramifications. See where this is going.

[zartan]

The president is accountable to the American people. They just made a decision on the subject.

You lost. Accept it

[TheRealBrave]

zartan, I know you're smarter than this. You come off like a child when you do this

[UF_alum]

Man... the Republicans have gone ape-shit over Benghazi and demand answers!!!  After all, a US ambassador and other died because of Obama's incompetence.

However, Bush was not incompetent when he led this country to an 8 year war because of weapons that did not exist.  No Congressional investigation was needed... it wasn't that big of a deal.  Obviously, Obama's Benghazi-gate is far more serious than anything Bush ever did.  

Conservative/Republican logic.

[smokeyone]

the ones killed by direct action or inaction why working for him under his orders? Maybe their families? or just the ones with their hand out waiting on there cut?

zartan, on 29 January 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

The president is accountable to the American people. They just made a decision on the subject.

You lost. Accept it

[smokeyone]

Bush had full congressional support in his actions. He also had full faith and support of the American people for his action. Obama? outside cutting 51% of the country a check, not so much. Bush set a time table to get out of Iraq and Obama followed it. Obama has seen us downgraded in every civilized first world measurement out there and yet he can put on his campaing hat drum up an issue and wag the dog. Un freaking real.

UF_alum, on 29 January 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Man... the Republicans have gone ape-shit over Benghazi and demand answers!!!  After all, a US ambassador and other died because of Obama's incompetence.

However, Bush was not incompetent when he led this country to an 8 year war because of weapons that did not exist.  No Congressional investigation was needed... it wasn't that big of a deal.  Obviously, Obama's Benghazi-gate is far more serious than anything Bush ever did.  

Conservative/Republican logic.

Edited by smokeyone, 29 January 2013 - 08:28 PM.

[UF_alum]

smokeyone, on 29 January 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

Bush had full congressional support in his actions. He also had full faith and support of the American people for his action. Obama? outside cutting 51% of the country a check, not so much. Bush set a time table to get out of Iraq and Obama followed it. Obama has seen us downgraded in every civilized first world measurement out there and yet he can put on his campaing hat drum up an issue and wag the dog. Un freaking real.

Bush now gets credit for setting a time-table to get out of Iraq?  lol

[nova]

UF_alum, on 29 January 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Man... the Republicans have gone ape-shit over Benghazi and demand answers!!!  After all, a US ambassador and other died because of Obama's incompetence.

However, Bush was not incompetent when he led this country to an 8 year war because of weapons that did not exist.  No Congressional investigation was needed... it wasn't that big of a deal.  Obviously, Obama's Benghazi-gate is far more serious than anything Bush ever did.  

Conservative/Republican logic.

Congress will never investigate the latter because they were complicit in the farce. They'd be left explaining how they voted for something that was obviously bullshit.

At the end of the day dubya ain't in charge and hasn't been in a while. Pointing the finger at the failings of the last white house resident doesn't absolve the failings of the current resident. This administration has a pattern of ups that get people killed followed by a cover up and that's unacceptable.

If they had come out from the get go and said "we screwed up with benghazi. We didn't recognize the threat, didn't treat it appropriately and take responsibility for that" I wouldn't have a problem. The world is a dangerous place, especially recent war zones, and shit happens. Make the necessary changes to keep it from happening again and move on.

I have a problem with them spending weeks telling the public it was a protest that got out of hand when they knew the day of it was a organized attack.

Same thing with fast and furious. Years of lies and stonewalling and a spurious claim of executive privilege make me think they're covering up something worse...

[UF_alum]

nova, on 29 January 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Congress will never investigate the latter because they were complicit in the farce. They'd be left explaining how they voted for something that was obviously bullshit.

At the end of the day dubya ain't in charge and hasn't been in a while. Pointing the finger at the failings of the last white house resident doesn't absolve the failings of the current resident. This administration has a pattern of ups that get people killed followed by a cover up and that's unacceptable.

If they had come out from the get go and said "we screwed up with benghazi. We didn't recognize the threat, didn't treat it appropriately and take responsibility for that" I wouldn't have a problem. The world is a dangerous place, especially recent war zones, and shit happens. Make the necessary changes to keep it from happening again and move on.

I have a problem with them spending weeks telling the public it was a protest that got out of hand when they knew the day of it was a organized attack.

Same thing with fast and furious. Years of lies and stonewalling and a spurious claim of executive privilege make me think they're covering up something worse...

I totally agree with your post.

My only point is that so much of the public is so outraged over Benghazi, when Bush did much worse and these same people didn't say a word.  Very telling.

[zartan]

TheRealBrave, on 29 January 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

zartan, I know you're smarter than this. You come off like a child when you do this

What? This is EXACTLY the same stuff I heard in W's second term. I wanna see how the other see likes it

[TheRealBrave]

zartan, on 29 January 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

What? This is EXACTLY the same stuff I heard in W's second term. I wanna see how the other see likes it

Were you even on this board in 2004. I didn't know you argued with these posters back in the early 2000's