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[zartan]

Haymaker, on 23 January 2013 - 10:26 AM, said:

says the guy with no kids

He's a teacher. He is around more children than most and has more scrutiny

[smokeyone]

or you could take some responsibility and educate the kids about the stuff. I grew up around all of those and have never mis used or abused any of them.

NextYearIsHere, on 23 January 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

As a parent, you are responsible for kids and what they have access to in your home. I don't care what it is, guns, booze, prescriptions, porn, etc., if you can't keep it out of the hands of your kids, it shouldn't be in your home

[smokeyone]

zartan, on 23 January 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

He's a teacher. He is around more children than most and has more scrutiny

with far less atachment or involvement.

[BamaBabe73]

You heard it here first folks...

The left now thinks it should be illegal for homes with children to have alcohol, guns, cigarettes, etc - because if they may get ahold of it, then you can't have it.  Hello Big Brother!!!

And for those of you that have not raised a teenager in your home - let me assure you that they can find, unlock, sneak, etc anything they want to at anytime they want to (do you not remember being a teenager?!?).  As a parent you kinda have to trust in the good book's philosophy of bring up a child in the way they should go and when they are older they will not depart from it.  It is only upbringing with a nice mixture of fear of consequences that prevents any teenager from making stupid and/or bad choices.

[nova]

smokeyone, on 23 January 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

with far less atachment or involvement.

And don't you know, being in a single open room with a bunch of kids is EXACTLY the same as trying to keep a handle on them in a home.  I mean, didn't all you guys stay in the same room with your parents all the time at home?

[smokeyone]

nova, on 23 January 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

And don't you know, being in a single open room with a bunch of kids is EXACTLY the same as trying to keep a handle on them in a home.  I mean, didn't all you guys stay in the same room with your parents all the time at home?

and the rotate out every hour on a nine month basis every year.

[A10Rebel]

Mentofresh, on 21 January 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

wellthatesculatedquickly.jpg

You all kept your head on a swivel , and that's what you gotta do when you find yourself in a vicious cock fight.

[NextYearIsHere]

nova, on 23 January 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

And again, a 15 year old is physically not a child.  That's like saying you should be able to secure things indefinitely from a 20 year old.  What difference does a couple years make between physically mature individuals?  Not a lot.

By the time you have teenager, you've got to depend on their own conscience and self control.  If that lapses there's not a whole lot you as a parent can do.

Course knowing your position on these things, I know what your underlying meaning to those statements is anyway....

Haymaker, on 23 January 2013 - 10:26 AM, said:

says the guy with no kids

Sorry, but that's parenting. I don't need my own children to know how to do it just like you having your own children doesn't mean you're any good at it.

My mom raised me and my sister basically alone and we never got into her liquor cabinet, prescriptions, or guns. It's called parenting and being responsible. You do your best to educate them, you do your best to keep it away from them, and then you take responsibility if you still can't keep it away from them after all that, you don't just throw your hands up and say "well they're basically an adult so I there is nothing I can do", you get rid of the thing you can't secure.

All it took was me watching HBO and Cinemax's softcore a couple of times as a teen for my mom to realize that she couldn't secure that from me, so she did what a good parent does and called to cancel the cable. She realized it was better for her to have to do without movies than to have something like that in the home where I or my sister could view it.

[NextYearIsHere]

BamaBabe73, on 23 January 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

You heard it here first folks...

The left now thinks it should be illegal for homes with children to have alcohol, guns, cigarettes, etc - because if they may get ahold of it, then you can't have it.  Hello Big Brother!!!

And for those of you that have not raised a teenager in your home - let me assure you that they can find, unlock, sneak, etc anything they want to at anytime they want to (do you not remember being a teenager?!?).  As a parent you kinda have to trust in the good book's philosophy of bring up a child in the way they should go and when they are older they will not depart from it.  It is only upbringing with a nice mixture of fear of consequences that prevents any teenager from making stupid and/or bad choices.

As someone who has had to look after kids of all ages, in the home and in the classroom, family members and students, you're right that you have to lay down the law and stick to it, but I'm sorry, you and others on here that have this attitude that teenagers will do whatever they want anyways are just flat wrong.

Again, it's called parenting. If you can't have it in your home without knowing that it's inaccessible to your kids, it shouldn't be in your home. Now for the record, I'm a firm believer that you can do this with guns as I am living proof, but if you take Nova's stance that even gun safes won't stop some pimpely mastermind, then you need to get rid of them or anything else that risks harming them.

Maybe you should rethink your first statement and see that its probably better for you to be responsible for your kid and do without in the home than it is for them to have access to it. Or just be better about keeping it outta their hands.

[NextYearIsHere]

I never thought I'd see the days when Conservatives were arguing against the parents being more responsible with their kids...

[Booger]

[Penguin]

Booger, on 24 January 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

I dont get it

[smokeyone]

NextYearIsHere, on 23 January 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

I never thought I'd see the days when Conservatives were arguing against the parents being more responsible with their kids...

because the difference between parenting and governing seems to be very blurred to modern liberals.

[smokeyone]

Penguin, on 24 January 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

I dont get it

unless he was put under the knife its not the same person

[nova]

I'm not going to bother repeating what I've said above.  The point stands.  And really, by the time my children are teenagers, I WANT them to have access to our firearms so that they can defend their life, home and family if necessary.    Look around a little bit and it's reported at least a couple times a week of some teenager defending themselves from a home invader.  I guess better that they be murdered or worse than that though...