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[Neo]

NextYearIsHere, on 20 January 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

You're a moron. They the sporty beamers here cause its easier to have them build to American DOT standards and then ship them to other places than it is to have them made to European standards and then fitted to meet ours.


How dumb do people have to be to not understand the concept of expansion?

I'm the moron and you're telling me how we build them?

There's only one moron here and that's you. Each car we build is built to the destinations standards. For example, the fuel pump for a car destined for China is built to a different specification because of different regulations.

Don't tell me how to do MY JOB! You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I also noticed how you dodged the major points like the jobs and money issues when your ignorance was how should I say, corrected.

The X series are custom built. Each and every one is built depending on the customer's order, but I'm sure you already knew that too. (SARCASM)

People, don't listen to this pompus jerk. I think its obvious that I've shown him to be stupid in regards to automotive manufacturing.

One other point, if anyone is interested, BMWMCUSA is adding over 2,000 more jobs over the next few months on top of the 8,000 that already work there. If anyone is interested, send me a pm.

[Penguin]

NextYearIsHere, on 20 January 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

It's the truth. There is no reaching. That plant in China isn't taking a single job away from an American. That's like saying opening a Starbucks in Japan is taking a job away from someone here that could make that coffee and then ship it over

I dont like obama but I agree with ya on this one.

[Neo]

Penguin, on 20 January 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

I dont like obama but I agree with ya on this one.

Penguin,

Jeep could easily build those cars destined for China here and ship them there. We at BMWMCUSA do it every single day.

For example, an American X6 with the V8 option gets the 096 fueltank. The Chinese counterpart gets a 150 direct connect fuel tank. An EU6 (European Union) diesel gets a 228 direct connect fuel tank and the US diesel gets a 579 direct connect fuel tank.

If BMW can do it, so can any automotive manufacturer.

[Penguin]

Neo, on 20 January 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

Penguin,

Jeep could easily build those cars destined for China here and ship them there. We at BMWMCUSA do it every single day.

For example, an American X6 with the V8 option gets the 096 fueltank. The Chinese counterpart gets a 150 direct connect fuel tank. An EU6 (European Union) diesel gets a 228 direct connect fuel tank and the US diesel gets a 579 direct connect fuel tank.

If BMW can do it, so can any automotive manufacturer.

yeah but financially that makes zero sense because Obama has hiked taxes so far up corporate Americas asshole they can barely breath in the US market anymore.

[Neo]

Penguin, on 20 January 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

yeah but financially that makes zero sense because Obama has hiked taxes so far up corporate Americas asshole they can barely breath in the US market anymore.

True, but that wasn't the argument. The argument was COULD Jeep build the Chinese cars in America and give Americans jobs and then ship them to China.

The answer is yes. They could. The NYIH proceeded to tell a complete fallacy about BMWMCUSA when I work for the company. We build 335 cars (X5/X6-Hall 50) each shift. Hall 52 builds 256 X3s per shift. Each car is built to a different specification depending on its destination.

Those are the facts.

[Neo]

Another tidbit.....

Due to supply and demand, in China the X5 is going for approximately 170,000 USD.

The X6, try 290,000 USD.  I'm not even going to mention the Motorsport editions. (M-Series)

Edited by Neo, 20 January 2013 - 11:55 PM.

[smokeyone]

you think they cant retool a line or even a factory fo the US market? Or do think that the chinese are not capable of making products for export to the US market?

NextYearIsHere, on 20 January 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

No. These Jeeps will not meet our standards. This is an expansion, not an outsourcing. You would think Mitt would have gotten that.

[smokeyone]

Penguin, on 20 January 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

I dont like obama but I agree with ya on this one.

so you think we are not capable of exporting products?

[SECorBust]

http://m.autoblog.co...built-by-honda/

You guys are so full of shit. Comparing top BMW models to jeeps is assinine also.

[Noah]

SECorBust, on 21 January 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

http://m.autoblog.co...built-by-honda/

You guys are so full of shit. Comparing top BMW models to jeeps is assinine also.

Good point.  I can see why BMW could make money shipping to China when their SUV is selling for $170k - $290k.  However, a Jeep wouldn't be close to that price range and the profit margin would be slimmer.

[Neo]

Noah, on 21 January 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Good point.  I can see why BMW could make money shipping to China when their SUV is selling for $170k - $290k.  However, a Jeep wouldn't be close to that price range and the profit margin would be slimmer.

True, but that wasn't the argument Noah. NYIH said it couldn't be done. That was the argument.

[Noah]

Neo, on 21 January 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

True, but that wasn't the argument Noah. NYIH said it couldn't be done. That was the argument.

So the point was that it was technically feasible  not that it could be done and make a profit?

[NextYearIsHere]

Neo, on 21 January 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

True, but that wasn't the argument Noah. NYIH said it couldn't be done. That was the argument.

I did not. I said the Chinese wouldn't do it otherwise. It was build Chinese Jeeps in China for the Chinese people or don't bother. And the whole point of the thread was that Mitt Romney said Jeep was moving American jobs over to China, which was bull. Again, an expansion of manufacturing is not the same as outsourcing American jobs to another country.

[smokeyone]

because we cant export shit to China. The transport ships only drop out crap and carry back money. Instead we open a factory in China knowing full well that the reason for building them there for china will be the same reason they export them back here. Its more cost effective. Unions have destroyed what should be a solid industry that we can export and despite millions of money being wasted to save them they can not adapt and are going to return to the brink for it. Mitt was right and a compliant media is too stupid to think it through ( ditto a few on here).

NextYearIsHere, on 21 January 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

I did not. I said the Chinese wouldn't do it otherwise. It was build Chinese Jeeps in China for the Chinese people or don't bother. And the whole point of the thread was that Mitt Romney said Jeep was moving American jobs over to China, which was bull. Again, an expansion of manufacturing is not the same as outsourcing American jobs to another country.

[smokeyone]

NextYearIsHere, on 21 January 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

I did not. I said the Chinese wouldn't do it otherwise. It was build Chinese Jeeps in China for the Chinese people or don't bother. And the whole point of the thread was that Mitt Romney said Jeep was moving American jobs over to China, which was bull. Again, an expansion of manufacturing is not the same as outsourcing American jobs to another country.

do you think it might have been possible to build that plant in a right to work state tooled to make a product for the Asian market? Adding thousands of US jobs and support?