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UNC and Duke invited to SEC

Started by Noah, Jan 18 2013 06:39 PM

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:38 AM

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Squealliam Fatner, on 19 January 2013 - 01:40 AM, said:

You get competitive athletics programs in 2 big-time markets without an existing SEC footprint. What's the downside in this scenario?

My issue is that you can't look at it solely from an athletic perspective. Not only do athletics play a part but the academics and the culture of the university play a part too.

I would not mind N.C. state and UNC, etc. to join. My issue is you just can't look at it from athletics alone.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:35 AM

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Show Stopper, on 19 January 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

My issue is that you can't look at it solely from an athletic perspective. Not only do athletics play a part but the athletics and the culture of the university play a part too.

I would not mind N.C. state and UNC, etc. to join. My issue is you just can't look at it from athletics alone.

I agree. And I think both VT and NC St meet all the critera for viable additions to the SEC.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:44 AM

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Show Stopper, on 19 January 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

My issue is that you can't look at it solely from an athletic perspective. Not only do athletics play a part but the athletics and the culture of the university play a part too.

I would not mind N.C. state and UNC, etc. to join. My issue is you just can't look at it from athletics alone.

Everyone is looking at it from a "what makes us more appealing when we sit down to negotiate a tv contract". That's why GatorU was way off in saying it would be ok to get wake forest. Just because they're in NC doesn't mean lots if people there are watching their games.

The best option would be to get unc and vt, but duke and unc aren't splitting up. The next best bet would be nc state and vt(I'd like it better anyway). There are lots of nc state fans, and they would be like A&M on a slightly smaller scale. They care about athletics and have lots of resources, but have lived in the shadow of unc and duke. If they join the SEC they'd move quickly and bring a lot to the table. And vt is basically an SEC school in VA already so that's a no brainer.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:51 AM

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GatorUnvrsty, on 18 January 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

How exactly does one define a hippie, and how could anyone possibly do a study that determined a demographic like that? :lol:

I would argue there hasn't been a real hippie in this country for decades, and definitely not in the South. If you mean these little freaks who smoke out and are anti-establishment, those aren't hippies... those are just dropouts.

If any Southerner thinks we have an overabundance of those, a trip to Seattle, Eugene, or Berkeley might be an eye-opening experience.

If you could compress San Francisco down into a small city, then put it in the mountains you'd have Asheville. And Boone is pretty loaded with hippies. Some of the other small mountain towns as well, but the rest of NC is like the rest of the country.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:12 AM

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bmccall, on 18 January 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

Please, the only reason you want North Carolina is because they aren't Duke.

Kentucky and North Carolina are heated rivals. Duke and Kentucky hate each other but we don't play often enough become rivals. The only reason you don't want UNC is because you don't want to go back to being Carolina #2 line the old ACC days.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:18 AM

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UVA doesn't really fit culturally in the SEC...only the elitists at Ole Miss and Vandy might relate. Charlottesville is beautiful though. Virginia Tech makes a lot of sense as does UNC. I just can't see the Tar Heels rejetting an invitation knowing that NC State would be getting all of that $ and would then immediately start surpassing them. Wake Forest is out of the question.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:37 AM

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Show Stopper, on 19 January 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

You are looking at it from purely an athletic perspective. You have to consider from many viewpoints.

What else is there?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:41 AM

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I think if the SEC added NC State and VaTech, I would laugh my a$$ off at UNC and Duke until the day I died.

Would be epic to pass them by for those "little brothers"...lol!!!!

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:50 AM

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Asheville.  I think they're more hipster than hippie.  My former in-laws lived there so I had to go there a lot.  There's a shit ton of hipsters in Atlanta now.  East Atlanta, Decatur, Midtown. All hipster havens.

I don't see UVA in the SEC either.  Albeit they are a tremendous academic institution.

Va Tech and Duke would bring the most added value to the table monetarily.

Although, am I the only one worried about the path to a division championship with another round of expansion?  I appreciate ATM stepping up and looking good, much to my chagrin, and being a player nationally but seriously...

Getting to the Dome was tough enough without ATM and Mizzou.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:52 AM

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Chainsaw Massaquoi, on 19 January 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

Asheville.  I think they're more hipster than hippie.  My former in-laws lived there so I had to go there a lot.  There's a shit ton of hipsters in Atlanta now.  East Atlanta, Decatur, Midtown. All hipster havens.

I don't see UVA in the SEC either.  Albeit they are a tremendous academic institution.

Va Tech and Duke would bring the most added value to the table monetarily.

Although, am I the only one worried about the path to a division championship with another round of expansion?  I appreciate ATM stepping up and looking good, much to my chagrin, and being a player nationally but seriously...

Getting to the Dome was tough enough without ATM and Mizzou.

What exactly does Duke bring to the table monetarily?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:07 AM

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Brand power, love of hate them, their brand carries a lot of weight.

Athletic endowment, they have one of the largest in the country.

North Carolina, as mentioned numerous times previously, is a state the SEC isn't in.

March Madness Money, there's big money in college basketball believe it or not. March Madness payout is the same if not more than bowl games because it depends on how far you go in the tourney.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:19 AM

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Chainsaw Massaquoi, on 19 January 2013 - 08:07 AM, said:

Brand power, love of hate them, their brand carries a lot of weight.

Athletic endowment, they have one of the largest in the country.

North Carolina, as mentioned numerous times previously, is a state the SEC isn't in.

March Madness Money, there's big money in college basketball believe it or not. March Madness payout is the same if not more than bowl games because it depends on how far you go in the tourney.

http://www.forbes.co...ially-the-most/

With how bad the SEC is compared to the acc as far as basketball is concerned, we still only averaged a little over 1 million/year less than the acc. So obviously basketball is not where the money is. What we want is something that's appealing as far as tv contracts are concerned. Sitting down with ESPN and saying "we can tap into NC and VA" is what we want, not to mention rolling out the SEC Network in those states.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:24 AM

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The only way Duke even sniffs an invite is if North Carolina tries to strong arm Slive into saying they're a package deal. Make no mistake, UNC is the first choice institution from the state for the SEC. NC State is second. Then Duke and finally Wake Forest.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:52 AM

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:39 AM

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Hoganknows, on 19 January 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

12 was perfect...16 why?

I think that's where the major conference players are headed. Probably to just get out in front of it.

If the SEC does add any combo of the 4 main mentioned at least they'll still be in the South.