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[M2J]

HobnailedBoots, on 02 January 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

Case closed.

the improve the collegiate product as a whole.

So you've made the point that they don't have to play, they can go play flag football or something if they really wanted to preserve themselves for future first round status...which we all know isn't true.  

What is your real angle, or why do you really care about keeping the 3 year rule?  To keep players in the sport for as long as you can, right? That doesn't benefit them, so much as it benefits you/the collegiate game.  It's their careers, their bodies, and the NFL/NCAA will keep going regardless...they're the only ones that lose.   That's why its unfair, to argue otherwise is to basically argue why you don't give a , which is fine, but don't pretend like this rule is needed for either the NFL or NCAA and certainly not for the player.   There for it's an unnecessary rule, where only these guys lose out.      Just like the players that would take advantage of the rule and leave despite not being ready, only they lose.

Edited by M2J, 02 January 2013 - 06:53 PM.

[HobnailedBoots]

M2J, on 02 January 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

the improve the collegiate product as a whole.

So you've made the point that they don't have to play, they can go play flag football or something if they really wanted to preserve themselves for future first round status...which we all know isn't true.  

What is your real angle, or why do you really care about keeping the 3 year rule?  To keep players in the sport for as long as you can, right? That doesn't benefit them, so much as it benefits you/the collegiate game.  It's their careers, their bodies, and the NFL/NCAA will keep going regardless...they're the only ones that lose.   That's why its unfair, to argue otherwise is to basically argue why you don't give a .

What a complete load of horseshit. Their time in college benefits them just as much as anyone. Otherwise they could do just as I suggested and go work at McDonald's for three years. What's the difference? Oh yeah, that's right. In college, they're getting trained, developed and given room, board and an education. Not fair? What are you? An Obama lib? Is it unfair that many jobs can't be had without a college degree? By your logic, any job that requires a degree is taking advantage of a student because it benefits the employer by the student getting educated in college while the college gets the student's money. It's unfair!

Same :lanekiffin:ing logic. You still sound ridiculous. Like anything else in this world, you have to put in the time and effort before you "have it all."

I have never heard a more stupid argument for doing away with the three year rule than the one you're making.

Edited by HobnailedBoots, 02 January 2013 - 06:55 PM.

[UKat]

I have no problem with the three year rule, in fact it should be four years for every major sport in college. I hate it for the athletes in a way, but they are getting an education in return if they stay 4 yrs. I'm old school and believe if you commit to play for 4 yrs in return for an education, I believe you should honor your word. We've taught young people that you don't have to honor your word anymore........I know, I'm going to get slammed for my views on this but when I commit to something or sign a contract, I honor it.

My handshake is my word and I honor what I say I'm going to do. The coaches do it to by not honoring their contracts to leave for a better job, so how can we expect young athletes to honor their contract (LOI). I just think if you commit, then you honor your commitment.

[M2J]

HobnailedBoots, on 02 January 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

What a complete load of horseshit. Their time in college benefits them just as much as anyone. Otherwise they could do just as I suggested and go work at McDonald's for three years. Not fair? What are you? An Obama lib? Is it unfair that many jobs can't be had without a college degree? By your logic, any job that requires a degree is taking advantage of a student because it benefits the employer by the student getting educated in college while the college gets the student's money. It's unfair!

Same :lanekiffin:ing logic. You still sound ridiculous. Like anything else in this world, you have to put in the time and effort before you "have it all."

You're reaching.  Like I said, I know from personal knowledge, the "requirements" in the "real world" are not set in stone.   It's a tool listed on postings to try and filter candidates out, through faceless resumes.   If a person shows true work experience or can prove they posses the ability or have the knowledge to complete a job, you think someone isn't going to hire them after an interview over someone that can't do the job but has a degree? These are general guidelines that are often broken.

You think Clowney hasn't proven he's ready for the next level? You pretend like I said, they should just give a tall guy, who is athletic a first round contract....they've put in the time and effort for 2 years, and should continue to at the next level.

And if you really believe that extra "time in college" benefits Clowney more than the millions he could be getting by getting drafted this year....well talk about faulty logic.

In the real world proven ability trumps some piece of paper, and in the football world,  the same proven ability should trump some 3rd year technicality rule.   There are and should be exceptions to every rule, which is why this rule is stupid

Edited by M2J, 02 January 2013 - 07:04 PM.

[M2J]

UKat, on 02 January 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

I have no problem with the three year rule, in fact it should be four years for every major sport in college. I hate it for the athletes in a way, but they are getting an education in return if they stay 4 yrs. I'm old school and believe if you commit to play for 4 yrs in return for an education, I believe you should honor your word. We've taught young people that you don't have to honor your word anymore........I know, I'm going to get slammed for my views on this but when I commit to something or sign a contract, I honor it.

My handshake is my word and I honor what I say I'm going to do. The coaches do it to by not honoring their contracts to leave for a better job, so how can we expect young athletes to honor their contract (LOI). I just think if you commit, then you honor your commitment.

That's cool logic, if everybody is playing by the same rules.   These guys are getting recruited by guys that a lot of times won't even be there by the time they get to campus.   Why lock the players in, when the administration gets so much freedom.

I think it would be great if guys chose to play 4 years too, but if should be a choice...not a rule.

[SECorBust]

You get guys that can't seem to get right long enough to stay in college likeMike Dyer that a minor league might be more tolerant of.

There is so much money involved I don't think college ball will give that up

[Penguin]

why would that be any fun? I wanna watch him kill people for another year...

[CockyinCola]

I think Clowney has a way to go in his development. He needs to be in school for at least another 3 years before it is safe for him to leave for the NFL

[bmccall]

Its clear its time for him to move on

[The Playmaker]

There are certain players you know can make the leap after a year or two but the issue starts when a lot of these question marks declare and they obviously weren't ready and they're out of the league in two years.  This isn't basketball where a mistake just gets you bounced around or sent to the D League.  Screw up in the NFL and you're going to practice squad or out of the NFL.  Making an exception just opens the door for everyone else and it also hurts the college game as well.

[eastcoastrazorback]

When did they change how to imbed vids?

https://www.youtube....d&v=XOH7RcfnkA8

Edited by eastcoastrazorback, 03 January 2013 - 08:38 PM.

[Neil Caudle is Superman]

He can do whatever he wants as far as I'm concerned. Where else can anyone truly have the right to tell someone that they can't use their skills to make money until they've gone through college? "Hey, you're good enough to be doing this now but you're not able to make your own decisions until you've wasted an arbitrary amount of time in college with some puff degree that you don't even need to finish anyway. You could be making millions of dollars but we're concerned with your education and fully believe that taking three years of minimum load schedules for the easiest degree possible and not even finishing it because you're going to make millions in the NFL is the best thing for you."

The NFL and NBA are both full of shit. Players should be able to make their own damn decisions about how long they stay in college. Nobody else should be making that decision for them.

[ConwayGamecock]

Eric Norwood played DE and OLB for 4 full years at USC.....he expended his eligibility as the all-time career leader in tackles for loss (54.5) and QB sacks (29.0). In two years, Clowney has already collected 35.5 TFL and 21.0 sacks....if he repeats his totals this season of 23.5 TFL and 13.0 sacks, he'll have totals of 59 TFL and 34.0 sacks, both new program records. In only 3 seasons. I'd like for him to accomplish that....

[GamecockDieHard]

It's a reasonable debate but I gotta agree with Hobnailed concerning the differences between the NBA and the NFL.  Also, the spotlight just ain't as bright and the pressures just are not the same.  You need a bit more discipline and a lot more maturity when you play on Sundays.  The career span is significantly less, you play far fewer games, and you really better be ready to handle it all, not just the physical part.  I think it's as important that the athlete is 3 years older as it is that he received 3 more years of training.  Scouts and NFL coaches get a list of projected draft prospects that is constantly updated.  If a player falls in the first round projection for even one week, the colleges should be required to purchase an insurance policy commensurate with their value in the NFL.  Like I said, it's a reasonable debate that I would like to continue after Clowney finishes his 3rd year at SCAR.

[Maroonblood]

No way.